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data-ottawa 8 hours ago

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here.

The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago.

As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never be able to access, while other models are able to catch up.

Adding US based identity verification through Persona is also incredibly off-putting. I think it's sufficient to kill my use of Claude altogether.

So the question I have to live with is what do I do instead.

I installed Mistral Vibe last week and I've been experimenting with offloading work to it. I won't pretend that Mistral-medium is close to state of the art. It isn't. It still writes incorrect tool calls.

From the last week about 50% of my LLM tasks actually reduced to "take this work and write about it" and Mistral excels there -- it definitely beats Opus at writing. Mistral nails it, and when it doesn't its so fast to iterate.

There's another say 30% of tasks that's writing queries against a data warehouse. I updated my semantic layer MCPs and Vibe uses them, but it struggles with ambiguity here. It's not a replacement, it's maybe where Opus was a year ago.

The rest of my work involves writing code. That's going to be harder to replace for now. My next step is exploring OpenRouter and other models. I can't decide if I was ever actually happy with Opus's work on this front though -- the understanding tradeoffs when you trust LLMs with decisions stack non-linearly and negatively. I did like Fable on these tasks, I won't lie, I will miss it, but not by any choice of my own.

Aurornis 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c...

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question.

This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first tech product that have been restricted by export controls. These situations pass. Administrations change. Technology evolves. We’ve had export restrictions on different chips and even cryptography software in the past. It doesn’t last forever.

baka367 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This decision has, effectively, turned LMMs into a supply chain risk.

Before this incident I’d gladly use any anthropic LLM in production features. Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight.

simoncion an hour ago | parent [-]

> Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight.

If your business-critical systems rely on SAAS that doesn't have a solid SLA and breach-of-contract provisions that more than cover the damages in the event, you've made "a risky decision that can tank [your] business overnight".

If the software your business depends on can't run indefinitely without getting permission to operate from someone else's systems, then you're perpetually at risk of someone else tanking your business because they decided that you can no longer use that software.

redserk an hour ago | parent [-]

Anyone doing product integrations should recognize it’s a perpetual risk but why stick to the platform that will require US citizenship demands for future models especially when there are other labs with reasonably comparable performance that don’t require this?

Anthropic didn’t have to beg for the government to deem their models a security crisis.

nutjob2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're way off the mark, and probably viewing this as an American.

If it happens once that means it can happen which means it can happen at any time.

When you feel you're a 2nd class person, or 'other', you're not eager to empower your oppressor, quite the opposite.

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> When you feel you're a 2nd class person, or 'other', you're not eager to empower your oppressor, quite the opposite.

Completely agree.

ignoramous 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old...

I think, this is all a culmination of rapidly eroding trust and soft power between US & its allies for the past 3y.

justaj 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What makes you believe this is about export controls rather than harvesting data?

kgutscode1 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Mass surveillance and all the other that gets associated with mass surveillance

RobertDeNiro 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Export controls have typically been for physical goods. Don’t remember the last time it was used for an API

input_sh 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You should look up the words "crypto wars". There were absolutely very annoying attempts by the US government to limit encryption, forcing every software maker to maintain two editions of their software: one targeting the domestic audience with no restrictions, and one "international edition" which had to intentionally weakened encryption (as in ship with shorter key lengths).

bigiain 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Have we all forgotten PGP already? (Not an API, but certainly not a "physical good")

InsideOutSanta 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I also think this makes OpenAI and Anthropic even less viable. They're tens of billions in debt, losing money every month, have data center commitments in the hundreds of billions, and now they're reducing their market to the US? The only way this can work is with substantial government subsidies.

dgellow 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Definitely damaging for their IPOs

Den_VR 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Tragic.

beezlewax 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

subsidies what like space x or tesla?

Animats 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago.

Note the big cut in token prices from China.

[1] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202606/1363827.shtml

ignoramous 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Note the big cut in token prices from China.

After the recent 75%+ price cuts by DeepSeek & Xiaomi MiMo (and now, MiniMax), I pretty much packed my Claude bag up and moved over. I see no discernable difference (other than chattiness of its thinking modes) in capabilities for the kind of coding & debugging work I do.

trollbridge 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I just got finished setting up an environment with MiMo-Pro-2.5-UltraSpeed, Qwen-3.7-Max (basically used this to sub in for Opus), and of course DeepSeek.

Then GLM came out and that just means everything got even better.

1over137 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

and China is not threatening to invade the EU or Canada. They are the lesser of two evils at this point.

ethbr1 an hour ago | parent [-]

Taiwan? South China Sea?

digitaltrees 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You need to look up loss leader strategy and dumping in international trade because that is what china is doing. And your use of their models over api is giving them training data.

They will flip to being just as bad or worse if they beat America.

But America isn’t deserving trust at this point.

The only viable option now is local AI. Our industry needs to figure out how to decentralize training data, infrastructure, inference and analysis.

trollbridge 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Most the Chinese models are open source. You can buy some hardware and go run them yourself, if you really are concerned about "dumping" and "loss leaders".

chorizo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I made the same switch. Impressed with the sheer value of Deepseek v4 Pro and Minimax M3 so far. I mostly work on an open source academic simulation tool, so I’m happy to be a source of training data.

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to.

> Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never be able to access, while other models are able to catch up.

Excellent point... That made me rethink my payments to Anthropic. As one of the foreign peasants who was banned from accessing Fable by the land of the free, it's become really hard to justify giving Anthropic any more money. I'm very tempted to switch to GLM 5.2.

nozzlegear 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> banned from accessing Fable by the land of the free

It should go without saying, but "the free" in "the land of the free" refers to Americans, not everyone else. Not sure if you were trying to make it sound like a great irony that "the land of the free" would exclude or ban people, but if so it doesn't quite hit the mark. A more cutting criticism would be that the land of the free isn't letting one of its own companies freely compete.

matheusmoreira an hour ago | parent [-]

Fair point. The fact that even americans got cut off from Fable is definitely ironic though. I suppose that's going to be fixed now that they're implementing identity verification. And even that runs smack into the concept of freedom since freedom under surveillance isn't real.

3stacks 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What is stopping you from switching to GLM 5.2 now? Have you tried it out yet?

I'm playing with Deepseek a lot more via OpenRouter recently and the only major downside I can see is the usage billing over the monthly plan

matheusmoreira 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Existing setup. I'm already used to Claude Code I guess. I actually spent time and tokens customizing and fixing it. Have a patcher utility that modifies the binary in order to disable telemetry and remove performance reducing language in the system prompts. Every update I spend some Claude tokens dissecting the newest executable and integrating it with my patcher.

The monthly subscription is also a major hurdle for me. The "high end frontier models for low prices" aspect is a major reason. I think I'm getting a lot of value from my subscription, given that the API prices are like a hundred times higher.

However, there's also a psychological factor here. These subscriptions are like the gachas of the software world. I got "addicted" to them. I developed workflows around achieving 100% weekly usage. Sometimes Anthropic randomly resets weekly usage and I scramble to get the most out of it. I'll point Claude at things and then just have it run hundreds of code review agents. I ran out of projects to do this on and started doing it to my favorite open source projects instead, looking for things to contribute.

I think with usage-based pricing I wouldn't use LLMs quite so freely. It'd probably cure my "addiction" too, but the problem is I'm not sure whether that's a good thing, since this "addiction" has been a somewhat positive force in my life. It's driven me to start new projects and also make major progress on existing ones. It brought me out of a slump. I'm a little afraid of moving away from Claude and not being as driven as I was before.

Scoundreller 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Meanwhile, as an irregular user of heavy AI, I like the usage-based billing of deepseek. Made a bunch of optimizations to my vibe-coded codebase, created some extra modules, using the chat... has costed me 33 cents so far in a couple weeks.

digitaltrees 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As an American founder I am sorry for this. I think the world needs to band together to take geopolitical risk out of AI.

miki123211 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They clearly specify that they accept IDs from most countries. This likely means that they've reached a deal (or hope that they'll reach one) with the US government that lets them share Fable with foreigners, but only as long as they know exactly who it is being shared with.

This is off-putting to the HN demographic, but won't change anything in practice. 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on.

dgellow 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Persona already had scandals earlier this year:

- https://cybernews.com/privacy/persona-leak-exposes-global-su...

- https://hothardware.com/news/discord-drops-persona-after-use...

It’s off putting outside of HN

andybak 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The Peter Thiel connection is especially toxic for a lot of people outside the US. Whether it's substantive or just optics doesn't make a huge difference.

cloverich 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Its optics. Personas series D is from his fund. Rich guy tries to get richer is the primary take away.

crote 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on

Why? Is Claude really so much better that the additional hassle and privacy invasion is worth it? What's stopping people from switching to one of the dozen or so other AI tools?

Heck, considering the volatility of the LLM industry, shouldn't everyone already be using OpenRouter & friends to avoid getting screwed over by the model-of-the-week - making a switch absolutely trivial?

0x3f 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fable seemed pretty good, but the thing is, even having access to test the next model _and see if it's worth switching to it_ is worth the marginal hassle/risk of doing the ID flow. A lot of things now do KYC, so we're not really talking about a categorical shift in me sharing ID info with any company vs not. It's just one more app.

cheonic52749 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What's stopping people from switching to one of the dozen or so other AI tools?

I’m lazy.

I will simply upload my drivers license to Claude, and continue paying $200/month.

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Subscription prices. Anthropic subscription can't be used with third party harnesses. OpenRouter would require me to pay API prices.

chickensong an hour ago | parent [-]

This is the reason.

calgoo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure if you want to share your ID and information with Persona.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47140632

rockskon 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That remains to be seen. Assuming the worst from the start discourages people from taking any action and is an imprudent way to approach political topics.

deepvibrations 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Completely disagree that 99% of people will just do it.

A lot of people are already skeptical of the frontier labs - I moved over to Claude from OpenAI when they bent over for the US government. And I'll certainly move on again if Claude start asking for photo ID.

WhyNotHugo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The government mandate forcing them to restrict access of new models to American has really cut their legs under them.

This identity verification is a best effort to kinda stay afloat: they can now offer bleeding edge models to US nationals, but not to the other 95% of the world. Their influence is gonna tank quite seriously if the previous mandate is not reversed.

Realistically, their choices are to either implement this, or restrict access to new models entirely, which is a sure way to fall into complete irrelevance.

furyofantares 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question.

Not only is it up for debate, I find it extremely unlikely to be true.

I don't really disagree with the rest of your post but I very strongly doubt that Opus 4.8 will be the best American LLM you'll have access to this year.

dalemhurley 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why, is there any evidence to support your claim?

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Aurornis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is a long history of US export restrictions on technologies. They have all been temporary.

It would be extraordinary if this was the beginning of the first ever permanent technology export restriction.

input_sh 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Temporary as in it lasted for quite some years, not temporary as in it was dropped within months. That's a very long timescale for this sort of field.

bigiain 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

From outside the US, there has been so much "extraordinary" stuff happening in US politics recently that it's almost expected now.

furyofantares 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Polymarket gives 32% chance the ban on Fable is lifted this month.

Even if it's never lifted, probably GPT 5.6 will be better than Opus 4.8 and they won't hype it up as too dangerous to release before releasing it.

Open models will catch up to Opus 4.8 and state of the art will, most likely, continue to get better. It won't be long before "better than Opus 4.8" is not a big deal.

ethbr1 an hour ago | parent [-]

> probably GPT 5.6 will be better than Opus 4.8 and they won't hype it up as too dangerous to release before releasing it.

If you buy the story that Anthropic's marketing hype drove US regulation, then I have a bridge to sell you.

The best case real reason is Anthropic pissed off the administration.

Which will leave OpenAI, Google, Meta, and X far more vulnerable to government data sharing requests... and KYC identity is incredibly valuable to mandate for those.

furyofantares an hour ago | parent [-]

That is my best guess too, which is an even better case for better-than-Opus-4.8 models being available from OpenAI without drawing the attention of the administration.

I do think their marketing hype was a factor though even in this narrative. Andrew Jassy tells a vengeful admin that there's this jailbreak for a model Anthropic said was dangerous, and vengeful admin seizes the opportunity to take vengeance.

kgutscode1 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

GLM 5.2 is better than opus 4.8 bro what are you talking about

cortesoft 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to.

Your overall argument makes some sense, but I would bet any money this simply is not true. Even if the US maintains some of the restrictions on export (which is in no way a given with how fickle this administration is, let alone the next administration), as LLMs advance, Fable will eventually be considered a lower tier model, and is likely to have restrictions lifted.

pizzly 5 hours ago | parent [-]

That makes it better, paying money to always having access to the second rate models from US AI providers. The problem remains.

cheonic52749 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> paying money to always having access to the second rate models from US AI providers. The problem remains.

Your alternative:

Pay a Chinese or EU company for a third rate model.

The choice is yours.

FpUser 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>"The choice is yours."

I think (probably except cases with regulatory restrictions) most will very much prefer to pay for "second rate" models from other suppliers, including China and help them to become premium choice.

suddenlybananas 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They do catch up.

pyeri 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you tried one of the Kimi K2 models or the latest GLM models by z.ai? The general consensus is that they're at least at par with Claude's class.

pimeys 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They are but from our evals for example GLM 5.2 (unquantized) performs as well as Opus but uses more tokens and takes more time.

I really wish this would change soon but they are not there yet.

klardotsh 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Using even double the total tokens and taking, what, 2-3x the time?, still seems worth it if prices are 5x+ cheaper (which OpenRouter [1] claims is the case).

On NeuralWatt for my personal projects at home (not affiliated, just a happy customer), I get so much more mileage out of GLM than I get out of Claude at work, specifically because it's priced as a hammer I can pound any nail-shaped-object with, not a delicacy I need to carefully budget-analyze to try to figure out if it's worth burning my monthly spend limits on this task.

https://openrouter.ai/compare/z-ai/glm-5.2/anthropic/claude-...

Den_VR 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I thought true token use was being hidden by anthropic and openai both

vanviegen 4 hours ago | parent [-]

No, they do specify token counts, as they let you pay for them. They just don't tell you what these thinking tokens actually are.

girvo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Though because they don't show you, they could be lying about it. Very unlikely, I think, would be too dangerous IMO. But technically possible

stavros 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If K2 or GLM 5.2 are on par with Opus 4.8 I'll eat my hat. They're good, but they're not that good. Deepseek V4 Pro has been better than Sonnet for me, but the only model that comes close to or surpasses Opus 4.8 is GPT-5.5.

Aeolun 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

GLM 5.2 is far better than deepseek V4. Seriously feels like I’m talking to a Claude model. Also burns tokens like one, so there is that. Deepseek is unbeatable on price/quality.

fjsoxjdnwk 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Honestly just give it time. This stuff moves so fast next month the conversation will be different. For folks who don’t like the ID privacy issues, use Deepseek et al and it should be able to get the job done even if the experience takes a bit more wrangling.

The problem with the ID verification is that they can pair introspective conversations with ID. Either that bothers people or it doesn’t.

Main point: we can’t fret about current state models because the ID verification has future implications. Models will change and competition will catch up. Do what feels right in the long run not whether TODAYS model is better at Anthropic.

stavros 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree with this, my disagreement was strictly with saying that the current open models are as good as Opus.

chrsw 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They're not. And by the time they are Open AI and Anthropic will probably be onto the next thing.

Not sure what happened to Google in all this. They're falling out of the frontier race.

HDBaseT 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Both Anthropic and OpenAI don't want to continue training models indefinitely.

Anthropic CEO has expressed potentially slowing down on model training. There is little return for billions of dollars burnt for 1-2% increase on various benchmarks. These companies profit via inference.

Not to mention, the whole Fable being banned by the US Gov is a scary prospect for future models. What is the point of spending billions if its going to get blocked?

chrsw an hour ago | parent [-]

Of course this can't go on forever. Especially not on LLMs. But are we really close to the limits of what these LLMs can do? I'm not sure we are.

The difference between GPT-5/Opus 4 and GPT-5.5/Opus 4.8 is striking. For software development anyway, there's no comparison. And all this has happened in a year.

My assumption is there will be another 2-3 years of improvements ahead of us on LLMs alone. Through hardware upgrades, larger training runs, better data quality, better algorithms, etc.

Of course, by then these models will be quite expensive. Will my company pay for it? I don't know. I'm sure some people will though.

drnick1 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The US is really shooting itself in the foot here.

> The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market

The issue is that there is no "international LLM market." America is leading the AI race, and while Chinese open weight models are great, they aren't quite bleeding edge. I routinely use Qwen and GPT-OSS (locally) for things I don't want to share with Anthropic, but they are clearly inferior to SOTA cloud models.

1over137 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How does it follow that there’s no “international LLM market” just because one party is ahead of another? There’s an international car market even though some cars are better/worse than others.

laacz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Kings come and go. These types of decisions can actually kill a king. Not instantly, of course. But still.

trollbridge 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Please do yourself a favour and check out GLM-5.2, Qwen-3.7-Max, MiMo-2.5-Pro, and DeepSeek-V4-Pro.

And then for stuff that you already said you were able to use Mistral for... Qwen-3.6 (option to run locally), MiMo-2.5, DeepSeek-V4-Flash, or... many, many other models to choose from too.

hailwren 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This strikes me as bluster. You use Anthropic because they offer the best model, if China offered a better model you would use them. You’re trying to signal that you deserve Anthropic’s best model but the truth is as long as Anthropic continue to serve a better model than China, you will use it.

Definitionally, slightly better than China should always be fine for export.

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> You’re trying to signal that you deserve Anthropic’s best model

You think some people aren't "deserving" of the best models?

hailwren 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not an argument I made. A summary of the argument OP was making.

windexh8er an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hopefully Persona is a non-starter for many. At this point I'm done with Anthropic, I'll be a non-paying subscriber to any of the US based "Frontier" providers. I've been finding far more value in how the models are used vs leaning only on the brute force of a SotA model. Between the Fable / Mythos FUD and scare mongering that Anthropic continues to prance around with I can't take them even remotely seriously anymore. Just like with early iterations of ChatGPT these founders have acted like they're sitting on AGI. But just like with those earlier versions of ChatGPT we'll look at frontier models a year from now and laugh at how off base Dario has been, again as he's been very off base for the last couple of years. I'm still waiting for half of white collar jobs to be replaced next week...

Phelinofist 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> As a non-US citizen

...

> My next step is exploring OpenRouter and other models

May I suggest using Cortecs.ai then? OpenRouter is US-based as well and since you have been bitten by this already perhaps it's really time to change course? :)

metalspot 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The entire internet will be real id verified soon. You won't even be able to send packets without a hardware digital signature linked to a real id. Might as well get used to it.

aucisson_masque 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I bet that if you don't use companies that enforce these verifications, and they start to lose money, things will shift very fast.

metalspot 4 hours ago | parent [-]

No. Google and Apple are already rolling out the infrastructure. FCC is requiring IDs for phones. It will be opt-in for a while but the acceleration of AI risks will inevitably lead to an infrastructure level lock down of the entire internet. 99% of the population will accept it without hesitation because it is no different than what they do already. Everything you do online is already logged and tracked. The only thing moving to digital real id does is prevent criminal activity.

3y350n1y 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"The only thing moving to digital real id does is prevent criminal activity." what an absolute crock.

girvo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The only thing moving to digital real id does is prevent criminal activity.

What utter nonsense.

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The only thing moving to digital real id does is prevent criminal activity.

As defined by the politicians bought and paid for by the corporations via their lobbyists.

You actually think this is a good thing?

jen20 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> FCC is requiring IDs for phones.

Sources?

zsoltkacsandi 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I'm paying for models I'll never be able to access

That is very well put.

cheesecakegood 5 hours ago | parent [-]

If they have a year sub, then yes I agree (even if it’s implicitly always part of the risk of buying so far in advance) but if they are month to month this position is absolutely nonsensical.

0x3f 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You seem to be saying that it's not a problem because you can just cancel your subscription if you don't like it. The fact remains that it's true. It's bad for goodwill in the same way Apple flipping $ -> £/€ is.

lmohseni 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve been using GLM-5.2 on openrouter with pi and, while I’ve only been playing with it for a couple days, seems stronger than Opus 4.8, nearly on the level of Fable for coding/architecture tasks.

varispeed 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know what was the hype about Fable. It was crap. This more looks like PR stunt by the US government to prop up the failing product.

Now everyone talks about Fable and wants Fable.

Having used it for limited time when it was available, I don't miss it at all.

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I wanted Fable in order to harden my C project against exploits and vulnerabilities. Anthropic downgraded me to Opus 4.8 every single time I tried to do it.

So I don't even know if I miss it. I suppose that's equivalent to never having used Fable at all.

calvinmorrison 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Claude has been doing this to me even without Fable, trying to write a Xaw frontend for the moc music player.

lyime 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You underestimate how large the US market is.

ecocentrik 4 hours ago | parent [-]

AI was always going to be geo-politically fragmentary. As soon as we started talking about it like a utility it was clear that every country was going to be strongly limited to the resources it could develop and the infrastructure it could build out. The US and China will still be selling hardware, managing infrastructure and licensing models and yes the domestic market is massive.

throw__away7391 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to

No, we are all just waiting for Dario to get scheduled for an Oval Office press conference where he can present a gold trophy to Liberace Hitler and extoll his praises for all the amazing winning he is doing like no one has ever seen before.

fragmede 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to.

Codex-5.5 > Opus 4.8, so that's not true.

sourthyme 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Where does 5.5 beat Opus 4.8?

anonuser123 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Reviews for one. It's reviews are phenomenal.

pimeys 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes and no. The hot moment I tried Fable that thing gave reviews so good I was already considering automation to cut a review for every PR in the company. Its coding abilities though were not that good.

GPT 5.5 is by far the best coding model.

hulahoof 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you haven’t already, check out omnigent for building workflows across multiple harnesses: https://omnigent.ai/

(Disclaimer: I work for Databricks, but do not work on omnigent - though I have submitted some QOL PRs as a community member)

azinman2 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question.

That’s totally unclear. Things are changing fast. No statement from god or potus has come down about the future of LLMs and who can access what. And for what it’s worth, I’m not able to access fable and I’m a US citizen.

jeromegv 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> That’s totally unclear.

Lol, welcome to US foreign policy. Or US trade policy. Totally unclear, and it's a feature.

Yes, lack of stability and clarity is entirely why people are steering away from the US. Yes things can change again next week, it's not a good thing.

chillfox 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can't build workflows on something that can randomly be unavailable for over a week.

At this point the future availability of Anthropic models outside the US is very unclear.

coldtea 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>That’s totally unclear.

Being unclear is enough for people to steer clear of it...

Barbing 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right, if we saw an open-source Mythos release today, I’d expect it to move the government’s idea of security goalposts.

wouldbecouldbe 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's the implied suggestion from the verification that they can prove to only share it with US citizens

fluidcruft 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My understanding was that until they can make sure it cannot be weaponized against the US, only US citizens will be allowed to use it.

(Read: the US lacks authority to ban use by citizens and doesn't want to risk their hand in court, particularly since lawyers who know anything have all left US government and what remains are complete incompetent jokes who can't even win slam-dunk cases due to repeated procedural errors. The nice thing about blocking non-citizens is they are easy to bounce out of court on standing)

misnome 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Please don’t be dumb enough to take whatever they say in good faith.

johnsmith1840 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Or its to stop industrialized distilation efforts?

I would suprised if admin doesn't want american companies and their employees to not be over competitive with outside companies.

But I do see them wanting a lever to prevent international rivals from having it.

OtomotO 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As is everything coming out of the US these days.

If you have a person as president that changes his opinions faster and more often than their underwear, you're simply not reliable.