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Animats 6 hours ago

> The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago.

Note the big cut in token prices from China.

[1] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202606/1363827.shtml

ignoramous 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Note the big cut in token prices from China.

After the recent 75%+ price cuts by DeepSeek & Xiaomi MiMo (and now, MiniMax), I pretty much packed my Claude bag up and moved over. I see no discernable difference (other than chattiness of its thinking modes) in capabilities for the kind of coding & debugging work I do.

trollbridge 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I just got finished setting up an environment with MiMo-Pro-2.5-UltraSpeed, Qwen-3.7-Max (basically used this to sub in for Opus), and of course DeepSeek.

Then GLM came out and that just means everything got even better.

1over137 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

and China is not threatening to invade the EU or Canada. They are the lesser of two evils at this point.

ethbr1 an hour ago | parent [-]

Taiwan? South China Sea?

digitaltrees 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You need to look up loss leader strategy and dumping in international trade because that is what china is doing. And your use of their models over api is giving them training data.

They will flip to being just as bad or worse if they beat America.

But America isn’t deserving trust at this point.

The only viable option now is local AI. Our industry needs to figure out how to decentralize training data, infrastructure, inference and analysis.

trollbridge 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Most the Chinese models are open source. You can buy some hardware and go run them yourself, if you really are concerned about "dumping" and "loss leaders".

chorizo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I made the same switch. Impressed with the sheer value of Deepseek v4 Pro and Minimax M3 so far. I mostly work on an open source academic simulation tool, so I’m happy to be a source of training data.