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135 points by aloknnikhil 3 hours ago | 51 comments
Reubend an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Seems like there's no official blog post with benchmark results yet. But I'm once again thankful for the Chinese AI labs for being open with their work and contributing it to the world under permissive licenses like this. The Fable 5 fiasco is just another reminder of how valuable these things are to have.

radious 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real news here is that Digg is still up :O

1f60c 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It came back, died, and now it's back as some kind of weird AI-focused news aggregator.

binsquare an hour ago | parent | next [-]

this sentence hurts to read

stefan_ an hour ago | parent [-]

But they have such great AI generated insights on their AI stories:

"Many users praise Zhipu for open-sourcing GLM-5.2 under MIT with a 1M context window as a major step for accessible AI, while others respond with insults and anti-Chinese hostility."

LearnYouALisp an hour ago | parent [-]

I mean, it reads almost like an abstract of papers I've recently seen, with a similar info-cramming approach (somewhat like an editorial-SEO keyword bloat).

joshuat 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's disappointing to hear, I remember the reboot news and thought they had a pretty solid team behind it. I guess gaining traction proved too difficult.

TiredOfLife an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It died and came back again last month

SilverElfin 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I actually found some of it useful. I saw some page where it helpfully pulled tweets from well known people relating to some story. So it’s not just some slop, or that’s how it looked to me.

skybrian 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems to be basically a Twitter mirror with extra cruft?

theturtletalks an hour ago | parent [-]

More like a curator of all the AI news on Twitter. It’s also a great way to find trending AI projects on GitHub and elsewhere

mannycalavera42 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

digg goes along with slashdot and freshmeat memories. good 'ol mems

jaggederest an hour ago | parent [-]

... for nostalgia's sake ...

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: BSD is dying

tamimio 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s my thoughts exactly, had to click the home page to double check!

easygenes 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This release was rushed to hang on the coattails of the Mythos drama (“hey, sorry you can’t use Fable, but try us while you wait this weekend!”) I think they planned to release next week, hence benchmarks not all being ready yet.

satvikpendem 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Released at the exact same time, 5:21 pm (Chinese time), as when Anthropic received the letter from the government banning Fable, and explicitly citing other models becoming unusable.

deklesen 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

... really? are you sure about the timezones? That's kind of odd, isn't it?

Maybe the post was edited afterwards?

throwaw12 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wish they would write a blog post about capabilities of this new model, what to expect from this model, is it cheaper, is it faster or does it have better quality in the outputs.

But still, thank you for the release

ortekk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

With deluge of Chinese models popping up recently, I believe there's a few issues one needs to evaluate before deciding to use these models:

- Ethics. As known, ou American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical. And I have yet to see any interviews or blog posts by Chinese companies where they talk about how they are ethical, or at least credible HN comments about it.

- Safety. Do they covertly sabotage or at least refuse to answer questions that could help cyber- and bioterrorists in their nefarious purposes? What about ML-related questions that could help terrorists create AI models without guardrails?

- Child safety. This is especially important with "free for all" open-weight models, most of which are Chinese (ever think about why that's the case?). How are we going to do age verification and KYC with models that anyone can just download on their computer?

- Intellectual property theft. How can we be sure that no output of our American frontier AI models was used while training these Chinese models?

Frankly, there's a plethora of other issues I don't have time to get into right now. Personally, I believe distribution of Chinese models in the US should be paused until they are required to submit models to the government for review and evaluation, to make sure they are made to Anthropic/OpenAI standards.

We need legal grounds for that.

Write to your congressman, congresswoman or congressperson and urge them to stop proliferation of dangerous non-American intelligence. This is a matter of national security and needs to be acted upon as soon as possible, preferably before IPO.

Xiol an hour ago | parent | next [-]

So hard to tell what is satire and what isn't these days.

Aldipower an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, please ban all Chinese models in the US and stick to your US-centric stuff. Good for the rest of the world.

billyjobob an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is great but sails far too close to Poe's Law that I predict downvotes.

somenameforme an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I missed it at first. Then reread it, and wow - this is grade A satire of the sort rarely delivered anymore, probably indeed because of exactly what you're saying.

LearnYouALisp an hour ago | parent [-]

Well, if so it needs a little "touch" I guess

freehorse an hour ago | parent [-]

It is not necessary for (good) satire to be easily/immediately recognised as such imo

freehorse an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Before the "preferably before IPO" I honestly couldn't tell.

foxindustrial an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

_incredibly ethical_

Lalabadie 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

Closed source, gated access, guzzling up all innovation budget from the country, diverting cities' limited water access, gaming the stock market and convincing leaders to cut jobs across all industries.

Truly we must protect these moral and ethical visionaries.

yieldcrv an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Chinese models are the closest shining example of their ideological system working for the world than anything else they've ever done

From my perspective

throawayonthe 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

i would call out reduction in extreme poverty or increased healthcare access or something but yeah the models are fine i guess

yieldcrv 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't consider mainland aspects to be "examples of their ideological system working for the world"

and I don't really see their foreign investment to be doing that, I think it complements what the west has done and has high impact in areas that the west ignores or doesn't take seriously for investment

their ideological system - in name - also relies on the whole world eventually being on it for it to work, so the models being so good and available for the people openly instead of as a closed source concoction fits really well

that's what I see and how I got there, what do you see?

hollerith an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Either that or the only reason they've been releasing the models under permissive licenses is that that the only way they have get any attention in a market dominated by American companies.

(Also, they don't need to make a profit because their system does not prioritize profit potential when making investment decisions: it prioritizes alignment with directives out of Beijing, which include keeping up with the West in strategic technologies.)

jauntywundrkind an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fear Uncertainty and Doubt, the terrormongering, is worse than the terrors. Endless denial of society & possibility & progress: begone you demons.

cyber_kinetist an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> our American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical

Ah... sweet summer child.

> Intellectual property theft. How can we be sure that no output of our American frontier AI models was used while training these Chinese models?

The US AI models are already using pirated copyrighted material off the Internet. If Chinese models also do this, they're at least giving it back to the people by releasing their weights as open source.

laoweek 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What is Amodei doing on HN astroturfing instead of trying to get Fable back online smh

tiahura an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Is this a parody of the Chinese-funded anti-datacenter astroturfing?

bbg2401 an hour ago | parent [-]

That you and other readers can't outright identify the comment as parody is actually quite disturbing to me.

ls612 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is it a coincidence that both MiniMax and Z.ai are releasing frontier open weights models right as the USG is trying to impose a cap on model capability offered to the public?

bontaq 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think Z.ai rushed a bit for release, for example GLM 5.2 is only available under the coding plan right now and they didn't do a big write up. Not even some charts and graphs about its performance!

This is around when people were predicting a new GLM to come out, so a couple corners clipped in order to catch the moment. I'm using it right now and it seems decent, but I haven't done heavy work with it yet. The expanded context window is great.

wolttam 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This is typical for GLM releases.

SilverElfin 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t think we will know. On the one hand, labs hold back until they have something competitive enough to release. So if Fable isn’t around, it removes that pressure. On the other hand, the Chinese labs have been moving fast anyways and are obviously behind, so it’s not any more of a problem to release a model that isn’t the very best.

lubujackson 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would say yes.

You think they were sitting on a release waiting for the right marketing moment?

bel8 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes?

I have seen enough OpenAI and Anthropic carefuly timed marketing plays to expect it.

I would never announce GLM 5.2 in the same day as Fable or Apple's WWDC, for example.

enraged_camel 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think it's a possibility, because labs trying to one-up each other is a fairly common phenomenon at this point. Previous Opus releases were immediately followed by GPT releases, for example. At some point the timing stops being a mere coincidence.

halJordan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, not really. This has been telegraphed for a long time by everyone involved. HN denizens have been unashamedly anti-ai for years now, so what makes sense is the not knowing part of this audience. Chinese models are also not frontier models.

toraway 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

I still find it baffling how the idea that HN is "unashamedly anti-ai" gets repeated.

Every single model release gets submitted within minutes of an announcement and frequently break 1000+ points within an hour or two. Blog posts about vibe coding or the current flavor of harness/workflow/tool are constantly making the front page. Karpathy's latest writing/presentations or "Learn how LLMs work using X" are perennial front page content.

There were moments in 2023/2024 where all but a handful of posts on the front page were about AI (and not the Reddit r/popular "residents worried about infrasound and EM radiation near new datacenter" variety).

For example, the responses to this very recent post were overwhelmingly praising Gen AI's capabilities:

Ask HN: What was your "oh shit" moment with GenAI?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48406174

Or this post which rocketed to 2000+ points a year ago without bothering to steel man opposing arguments:

My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44163063

There are counter examples of course but just because HN isn't exclusively AI hype at all times doesn't mean it's "unashamedly anti-AI".

I honestly can't think of any single topic other than the Snowden leaks in 2013/2014 that even comes close to dominating HN discussion like LLMs/GenAI from 2022 to present.

thefounder 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, Dario became too tiresome and annoying that someone had to do something. Personally I hope they ban Opus too. It will only provide more support for open models development. Compare Dario horror posts with this from GLM release: “ Intelligence should be open, accessible, and ready to build with, empowering every developer, everywhere.”

bflesch 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Weird, z.ai does not resolve for me. Is there anything special about that domain?

https://z.ai

Alifatisk 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Resolves fine for me

arcanemachiner 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Just tried it, works for me.

testfrequency 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Digg

edit: ouch, I’m a current Digg user. Even donated for their relaunch :(