Is it a coincidence that both MiniMax and Z.ai are releasing frontier open weights models right as the USG is trying to impose a cap on model capability offered to the public?

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bontaq 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think Z.ai rushed a bit for release, for example GLM 5.2 is only available under the coding plan right now and they didn't do a big write up. Not even some charts and graphs about its performance!

This is around when people were predicting a new GLM to come out, so a couple corners clipped in order to catch the moment. I'm using it right now and it seems decent, but I haven't done heavy work with it yet. The expanded context window is great.

	▲	wolttam 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		This is typical for GLM releases.

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lubujackson 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would say yes.

You think they were sitting on a release waiting for the right marketing moment?

	▲	bel8 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Yes? I have seen enough OpenAI and Anthropic carefuly timed marketing plays to expect it. I would never announce GLM 5.2 in the same day as Fable or Apple's WWDC, for example.
	▲	enraged_camel 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I think it's a possibility, because labs trying to one-up each other is a fairly common phenomenon at this point. Previous Opus releases were immediately followed by GPT releases, for example. At some point the timing stops being a mere coincidence.

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halJordan 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, not really. This has been telegraphed for a long time by everyone involved. HN denizens have been unashamedly anti-ai for years now, so what makes sense is the not knowing part of this audience. Chinese models are also not frontier models.

	▲	toraway 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I still find it baffling how the idea that HN is "unashamedly anti-ai" gets repeated. Every single model release gets submitted within minutes of an announcement and frequently break 1000+ points within an hour or two. Blog posts about vibe coding or the current flavor of harness/workflow/tool are constantly making the front page. Karpathy's latest writing/presentations or "Learn how LLMs work using X" are perennial front page content. There were moments in 2023/2024 where all but a handful of posts on the front page were about AI (and not the Reddit r/popular "residents worried about infrasound and EM radiation near new datacenter" variety). For example, the responses to this very recent post were overwhelmingly praising Gen AI's capabilities: Ask HN: What was your "oh shit" moment with GenAI? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48406174 Or this post which rocketed to 2000+ points a year ago without bothering to steel man opposing arguments: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44163063 There are counter examples of course but just because HN isn't exclusively AI hype at all times doesn't mean it's "unashamedly anti-AI". I honestly can't think of any single topic other than the Snowden leaks in 2013/2014 that even comes close to dominating HN discussion like LLMs/GenAI from 2022 to present.

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SilverElfin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t think we will know. On the one hand, labs hold back until they have something competitive enough to release. So if Fable isn’t around, it removes that pressure. On the other hand, the Chinese labs have been moving fast anyways and are obviously behind, so it’s not any more of a problem to release a model that isn’t the very best.

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thefounder 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, Dario became too tiresome and annoying that someone had to do something. Personally I hope they ban Opus too. It will only provide more support for open models development. Compare Dario horror posts with this from GLM release: “ Intelligence should be open, accessible, and ready to build with, empowering every developer, everywhere.”