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WHO Declares Ebola Outbreak a Global Health Emergency(nytimes.com)
183 points by zzzeek 4 hours ago | 92 comments
JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is the WHO announcement: https://www.who.int/news/item/17-05-2026-epidemic-of-ebola-d...

This is our CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/ebola/situation-summary/index.html

And yes, this is a big deal. Public health emergencies of international concern are a short list consisting of, in their entirety: swine flu ('09 to '10), polio ('14 on), ebola ('13 to '16), Zika ('16), ebola ('19 to '20), Covid ('20 to '23), monkeypox ('22 to '25) and now this [1]. It's one step down from a pandemic emergency (which, to be clear, has not been declared).

(Helpful explainer: https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2....)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_emergency_of_int...

cyanydeez 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

US left the WHO. expect the worst

thinkcontext 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I read elsewhere that this strain is less deadly than previous strains. I'm no epidemiologist but being less deadly could allow it to spread further, which is obviously concerning.

Also, the article says surveillance picked up the spread late. I wonder if the US's pulling back from the WHO and other international functions had anything to do with this, it used to make up a big chunk of its resources and staff.

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> read elsewhere that this strain is less deadly than previous strains

"Case fatality rates in the past two [Bundibugyo virus disease] outbreaks, reported in Uganda and in DRC in 2007 and 2012, have ranged from approximately 30% to 50%" [1]. Given "as of 15 May, a total of 246 suspected cases and 80 deaths" were reported, the current disease's 33% fatality rate is in the historic range.

[1] https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2...

whynotmaybe an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's been picked up late because it's from Goma, a region in Congo currently operated by the March 23 Movement a "rebel" group against the current Congo's government.

sofixa an hour ago | parent [-]

To expand on this, it's universally accepted that they're a group backed by Rwanda, and are there for the resources that the DRC has, which are being trafficked to Rwanda for export.

BLKNSLVR 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was wondering about that with the hantavirus, whereby if it's got a higher fatality rate then it's less likely to be easily transmitted.

Is that like a general rule, or pure bunk? (I'd probably assume the answer 'depends').

fpaf 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

From COVID-era discussions (when virologists were briefly the stars of every talk show) I remember one explaining that it was less about fatality rates per se and more about the length of time you could carry the virus around and be nearly asymptomatic while still able to infect others.

I understand the jury is still out on whether a virus can be considered "alive" but, like us, it is capable of replicating itself and mutating. In that sense, it benefits from the same evolution strategies as more complex beings: a strain that gets its host very sick very quickly gets a lower chance to spread to a new host and multiply.

This creates an evolutionary advantage for strains of that virus that are less aggressive or at least develop the worst symptoms more slowly and more covertly.

cogman10 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah. HIV is a good example of this. Without treatment, it is deadly pretty much 100% of the time. However, it takes a long time after the shut down of the immune system before a systematic infection takes over and kills you.

That allowed for a deadly disease that's somewhat hard to spread (mostly just through sex) to ultimately go on a rampage.

AbstractH24 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

I never thought about this.

So without concern for the humans with HIV* there an argument to be made that treating symptoms without curing made it spread more?

*obviously, this is just hypothetical. It’s important to care about the life of those with HIV. No banish them all to something like a leper-colony. Although it explains the logic for those archer time they existed better than a religious one did.

marcosdumay 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

> So without concern for the humans with HIV* there an argument to be made that treating symptoms without curing made it spread more?

No, because HIV treatment is about killing the virus, and we don't have any that only treats the symptoms.

But there is an argument like that for the flu and colds.

bookofjoe 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>I understand the jury is still out on whether a virus can be considered "alive"

I remember way back in med school in the mid-70s our infectious disease professor asking this same question, in a philosophical as much as a mechanistic sense.

RobotToaster 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think it's just fatality rate, but also how long it takes to kill you. HIV is a great example of a disease that (untreated) has near 100% mortality rate, but can spread because it takes years to kill you.

mlinhares 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The real issue with HIV is that you can easily spread it before being symptomatic, so far we haven’t seen hantavirus spreading before folks become symptomatic. The strain that spreads through humans has been active in south America for a while as well and hasn’t really gone anywhere yet.

jimberlage an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Plague, Inc (an iOS game where you control the parameters of a pandemic and try to get a 100% infection rate) will give you a really good feel for the math behind this.

The most successful strategy is to make a virus that spreads fast, with few visible symptoms until the late stages of the disease. A deadly virus, early will just cause borders to be locked and the international research community to swarm on a cure.

leptons an hour ago | parent [-]

If AIDS were airborne, I think we'de have a fraction of the billions currently living today. It takes a while for symptoms to show up, there is still no real cure, and drugs to keep it supressed took many years to develop.

alamortsubite 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Definitely, but the hantavirus incubation period ranges from 1-8 weeks after exposure.

microtonal 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also worrying that the existing approved vaccine does not protect against this variant.

That said I'm quite hopeful, since there is a vaccine for other strains.

picsao 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The WHO is just another politically subverted organization. It declared covid for half an eternity as not airborne. If its connected with a loos of face or economic short term losses- many actors will put the pressur on to prevent the declaration of an pandemic or other travell restrictions.

The us is not involved in this mess.

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> us is not involved in this mess

If by not involved you mean still massively subject to the public health and econonomic consequences of a containment failure, then sure.

mentalgear 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It figures: Right before the COVID-19 outbreak, Trump dismantled the White House pandemic response team and pushed to downsize the CDC—later pulling out of the WHO entirely. A new Trump term, a new pandemic?

mschuster91 3 hours ago | parent [-]

In this case I'd guess the DOGE cuts to foreign aid are a massive, massive contributor to the problem. A lot of third-world countries heavily relied on USAID et al to keep basic sanitation and healthcare going.

zzzeek 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They are. This is why the billionaire tech class is complacent in this disaster. Musk is already a mass murderer due his illegal sabotage of USAID (estimates of 600000 deaths already [1]) this new outbreak adds to his death toll.

[1] https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-documentary...

rob_c 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

how about countries with these risks take action to reduce these risks. I'm sure there's a parable about teaching someone to fish rather than feeding them

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> sure there's a parable about teaching someone to fish rather than feeding them

This is less about feeding a neighbor than digging them a latrine so they stop crapping in your water supply.

toast0 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

USAID provided funding for a lot of stuff, but specifically with regards to infectious disease control, providing funding for infectious disease control in countries that don't have the resources or priorities to do it on their own addresses the risk that such diseases are not controlled and spread to the US and also the risk that such diseases spread and result in (negative) economic impact for the US.

The disease control interventions really are a mix of teaching and doing. In acute situations, experts are brought in to do (some of) the things. But mostly it's training and outreach and supplying equipment to do routine disease control and surveillance of issues that need help.

throw1234567891 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If them not fishing means your people are at risk, you go and teach them to fish.

disantlor 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

theres also one about pennywise, pound foolish

mschuster91 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> how about countries with these risks take action to reduce these risks

With what money? There's a reason they're dependent on USAID.

> I'm sure there's a parable about teaching someone to fish rather than feeding them

Unfortunately the priorities of USAID (and European foreign aid as well) aren't exactly aligned with that paradigm. It's the worst expressed in agriculture because we just dumped our excess production on Africa to keep our prices stable, but foreign aid being sustainable is a relatively new and not really widespread requirement.

malfist an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How callously you blame the victims. Remember your humanity.

lejalv an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Remember where you enslaved the peoples that built your country.

mystraline an hour ago | parent [-]

Let me make this clear:

To hell with your historical collective guilt machine.

I honestly dont care what people did before I was born. I had absolutely no decision in anything of theirs. Had no choice in any of that. Nor did I enslave or torture or murder people. My parents didnt either. Their parents didnt either.

And somehow, Im responsible for shit that happened hundreds of years ago? Whatever.

I dont mind helping and working collectively for a human cause. But im also not going to be an emotional collective guilt tampon because people before I was born did bad things.

Id say "Take it up with them", but theyre dead. Thats why you flail at anybody and try to make them feel responsible.

beej71 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not feeling guilty and not caring are two radically different things in this context.

mystraline 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

First, there are no charges against me.

I will not answer to idiocy like "your bloodline X generations back".

I am not feeling guilty simply because I am not guilty.

And I do not feel guilty about historical happenings I did not have a hand in. They are things to read about to understand how we got here. But caring? No. More like dispassionate historical context.

I fight against shit like "Collective Historical Guilt". Liberals here in the USA use this crap, like in worthless land akcnowldgements but do absolutely nothing.

Ive also seen a lot of republican and MAGA types also have their 'white' ethnicity weaponized. Its obvious when 1 side blames you on a demographic you cant change (skin color). You vote against them.

I will never support collective guilt/punishment. And I will not 'care' about some historical wrongs.

lejalv 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

Let's say you likely benefit from the side effects. It's not guilt, but just a lil reminder we are all in this together.

Also, we could talk about current colonialism: arms trade, mining, mercenary armies.

Sure enough, if you close your eyes hard enough you can pretend your wealth is well earned and unrelated the ills of the world.

It's rarely the case.

lanyard-textile 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Notably (from NPR):

>However WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus stressed in a statement it "does not meet the criteria of pandemic emergency" and advised countries against closing their borders.

dkga 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

I suspect this is to mitigate perverse incentives for countries to avoid reporting outbreaks and collaborating with the WHO for fear of tanking their economy

AbstractH24 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Didn’t they do this like a decade ago?

plombe 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Non-paywalled link: https://apnews.com/article/congo-ebola-uganda-who-africa-eme...

asah 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

seems like an abuse of the word "global"

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> seems like an abuse of the word "global"

The WHO language is "a public health emergency of international concern," but not "a pandemic emergency."

MontagFTB 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Multiple articles mention a vaccine for the Zaire strain but not this one. Is it possible to use one for the other? Does the existence of one make it easier to develop another?

Insanity 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Technically (nitpicking) it mentions no _approved_ vaccine. There can be vaccines without being approved for use in said countries.

But I have no clue how far along vaccines are, and even if they exist how feasible it would be to use in e.g Congo. Similar to how we can treat tuberculosis, yet many people keep dying of it.

mschuster91 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> There can be vaccines without being approved for use in said countries.

Unfortunately, the hotbed being Africa makes the situation much worse given historical events - the entire continent has a dark history regarding colonial and modern abuses of power for medical "experiments" [1], and the entire topic resurfaced during the early Covid era [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_experimentation_in_Afr...

[2] https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/4/8/medical-colonial...

soupspaces 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

adding it to my list of apocalypses to prepare for

jmyeet 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

First hantavirus now this. Look, there's valid reason to be concerned here but people who are fearing a repeat of the Covid-19 pandemic are seemingly missing why Covid was a pandemic. Covid spread so much for four main reasons:

1. It could spread airborne;

2. It spread relatively easily. Not quite measles-level of contagiousness but still, pretty good;

3. Unlike something like the flu, there really wasn't any kind of natural resistance. What we now call the modern flu is a descendant of the Spanish flu that killed tends of millions in 1919-1920 in its first outbreak and it becamse less lethal for a variety of reasons; and

4. (This is the big one) It would spread when the carrier was asymptomatic. The flu can also spread asymptomatically but AFAIK it's less common. People with the flu tend to self-isolate showing symptoms.

Still, what's probably most concerning about Covid is the number of people who truly believe it was and is fake. The public health implications of that as well as the societal and psychological impacts is something we're going to be studying for decades to come.

The exact contagion mechanism for hantavirus isn't confirmed. Previously it's been from, say, rat to human. It's believed there was human-to-human transmission with the plague cruise ship of doom but whatever the case, it's simply not as contagious.

Ebola generally requires contact to spread. How it's spread in a lot of these African regions has historically been from funeral rites. Family of the deceased would touch the body and this contact would spread the disease. So while it was quite contagious, it didn't spread airborne (as far as we know). It's also quite lethal, which naturally tends to limit spread. The king of long-dormant viruses is of course HIV.

But at least we aren't dealing with cordyceps [1] so we've got that going for us at least.

[1]: https://thelastofus.fandom.com/wiki/Cordyceps_brain_infectio...

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Covid turned into a pandemic because it wasn't taken seriously at the start. (Looking at you, China.)

Public-health experts never seemed concerned about hantavirus. They are with this. It's appropriate to take their declarations seriously.

> Ebola generally requires contact to spread

"Human infection occurs through close contact with the blood or secretions of infected wildlife, such as bats or non-human primates, and subsequently spreads from person to person through direct contact with the blood, secretions, organs, or other bodily fluids of infected individuals or contaminated surfaces. Transmission is particularly amplified in health-care settings when infection prevention and control (IPC) measures are inadequate, and during unsafe burial practices involving direct contact with the deceased" [1].

So yes on traditional burial. But much easier to spread than HIV.

[1] https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2...

jmyeet an hour ago | parent [-]

First, we still don't know the origins of Covid-19. The most accepted answer is zoonotic origin but there are problems with that, namely that Wuhan is far from the suspected bats and there is no documented case of Covid-19 in any wild population. The other competing theory is the "lab leak" family but again there's no evidence of this eitehr. Research and findings of Covid-19 in Italian sewerage suggest that Covid-19 might've been circulating in Italy in 2019 [1]. So another possibility is that Covid-19 resulted from forming a virulent strain in a person who was infected with multiple strains at once [2].

We may never know the true origins of Covid-19.

So with asymptomatic spread and a novel virus, it's unlikely that whatever China did actually mattered at all. Once cases reached the US in particular, it was game over. People just can't miss work. There were very few places that maintain zero Covid for any significant period of time (eg Australia) through a combination of luck, geography and extreme quarantine. By geography I mean Australia doesn't have any land borders. And even then it only lasted so long.

[1]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7428442/

[2]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9059428/

ticulatedspline 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

forgot 5. Covid was exactly the right amount of deadly, 0.5-1% which made it easy to "roll the dice" on making containment harder.

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Covid was exactly the right amount of deadly, 0.5-1%

Tough to say that's "exactly the right amount of deadly" for a pandemic when the Black Death and Spanish flu killed larger fractions of their total affected populations (in the latter case, of humans) [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics_and_pandemic...

the__alchemist 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was good practice for pandemic response. I think (blasphemy, which on its own is wild) the global reaction was too strong on an acute level, but was worth it as prepararion for a deadlier pandemic.

amanaplanacanal 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It was a natural reaction though. People saw the Italian hospitals overflowing and thought "oh crap! We can't let that happen here!" At least where I am they tightened and/or relaxed restrictions on a county by county level based on how full hospital beds were getting.

delecti 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In another time it might have been good practice, but in reality I think, between the grifters pushing fear and those just too self-centered to go a few months without a haircut (yes oversimplifying and straw-manning), it actually precluded the chance that many people will ever cooperate with a pandemic response again.

rob_c 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

and that's a whopping over-estimate

trvz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> People with the flu tend to self-isolate showing symptoms.

Do you have any other fantasy tales you’d like to tell?

pixl97 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yea, I recently caught flu from someone else that "could not miss their work". So these things don't really apply well to the US at all.

roryirvine 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Was it actually flu, or just a bad cold?

I've had flu twice, and both times I simply wouldn't have been able to leave the house no matter how much I wanted to - even just turning over in bed was a major effort!

Would people not have spotted their shivering and sweating and sent them straight home again?

mystraline 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yep. This is called "food service".

Shit pay, no benefits, and managers who threaten to fire you if you dont show up. Sick? Puke in the bathroom.

Whys this the case? Cause we Americans have garbage for labor laws. You can be fired for pretty much any reason. And you are NOT protected if youre sick.

When I had to work food seevice, at starbucks, subway, random pizza chain, etc, I begrudgingly came in sick, infected LOADS of customers. My choice was to work, or get fired (or not fired but 0 hours for next 2 weeks on schedule as punishment).

Who knows how many I got sick and potentially killed due to compromised immune systems. Im sure I did.

This is the real, hidden external cost, of our unmitigated capitalism. People get sick and die for the reason of making the boss more money, and too fucking bad.

pixl97 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>Cause we Americans have garbage for labor laws

And healthcare being tied to "having a good enough job".

But yea, it's a huge mess.

amanaplanacanal 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Divorcing health care from employment would be a wonderful change, but I don't see it ever happening. Employers love it because it makes employees fear for their job, and insurers love it because if everybody saw how much they were actually paying every month they would fight to change the system.

jmyeet 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The world is bigger than the US. Also, not everybody in the US is an underpaid service worker with no benefits. Also, if you limit yourself to just the US, you're still just wrong [1]:

> Approximately one-quarter (26%, n = 303/1169) of adults (aged 16–64 years) with self-reported ILI took time off work for their illness for a mean of 3.3 days, compared with 31% (n = 31/99) and 20% (n = 3/15) of those with confirmed influenza A or B, respectively, who reported missing a mean of 3.8 and 3.0 days.

[1]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9748403/

trvz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You've replied to the wrong comment.

Anyway: taking time off work when too sick to work != isolating when the symptoms first appear.

gib444 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I swear there is an element of the virus that drives you out of isolation, to spread it?.

It always goes like this with me, the first few days:

- Hm, am I coming down with something? Not too sure. Feel a bit under the weather

- I'm feeling great! Let's go shopping/for coffee/to the supermarket/see friends

- OHH I definitely have flu

radu_floricica 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

2, 3 and 4 apply to the hantavirus as well.

BLKNSLVR 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just finished watching the last episode of season 2 with my daughter this morning. Now biting my nails for another 6-12 months awaiting season 3... Dammit.

rob_c 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"no evidence of human to human transmission", was something repeated far too often and far too politically for me to take them serious on the next issue, serious or not.

> "It would spread when the carrier was <LARGELY> asymptomatic" , the largely is very important here otherwise containment would have been a lot different.

The main concerns for covid were also limited to a novel strain of a known virus type (again a KNOWN TYPE) being released into a global general populous with no inherent immunity. Aka expect ~5% of cases to probably have complications and some smaller %-age of that to be serious. If we didn't know what covid was we wouldn't be calling it "covid-19" to expressly describe which genus we're talking about. (Followed by general stupidity from people of pretending we don't know how other covid strains progress (regardless of any 'novel' effects)). Sill no sensible scenario put death rates >1% for anyone not in an at risk group. I mean everyone forgets the south-park sars skit that there's a 97% chance of catching that practically without symptoms. Why this became polarised about steam rolling through untested technology onto the populous is identical to the "green coal" and "tech will solve the carbon footprint" thinking...

ls612 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We went through this whole song and dance in 2014. Unless it has some really unlucky novel mutations it won’t spread well outside the tropics.

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Unless it has some really unlucky novel mutations

2014 was Ebolavirus proper (Zaire, I believe). This outbreak is this fucker of a chimera [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundibugyo_ebolavirus

avazhi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah yes, WHO, the very trustworthy totally non political global public health authority that did such a great unbiased job before and during COVID. Definitely trustworthy, reputable, competent, and unbiased.

Snark aside, there may be an Ebola outbreak and no doubt it's affecting certain African countries but calling it a global health emergency is laughable and I'd trust TMZ's analysis on reporting orders of magnitude more than I'd ever trust anything the WHO has to say.

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Sorry, your takeaway from Covid is to ignore public-health experts when they warn that something is breaking containment and could turn into a pandemic if it isn't controlled?

avazhi an hour ago | parent [-]

WHO tried to cover up the virus at the beginning; they also aided China in masking its origins.

The CDC did fine, but not WHO. I wouldn't even call WHO public health experts at this point - it's just a political racket that's pretty analogous to the UN generally in terms of how objective and useful they are.

I've had 12+ COVID vaccines and one of my degrees is a BSc so it isn't like I'm some antivaxxing conspiratorial anti-science hillbilly. WHO isn't really about science though, they're about funding and pushing particular agendas which is... antithetical to actual science.

majormajor 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> calling it a global health emergency is laughable

Your complaint is with the NYT's re-phrasing, not the WHO.

WHO declaration is: "determined a public health emergency of international concern" https://www.who.int/news/item/17-05-2026-epidemic-of-ebola-d...

Obviously it's a local public health emergency, and some international concern seems warranted anytime an ebola strain pops up...

ViktorRay an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many of the people worrying about this should stop worrying.

The average commentator on this website, if he or she dies this year, will be more likely to die in a motor vehicle accident or due to the complications of cardiovascular disease, or due to cancer.

If you’re going to spend time worrying, worry about all those things instead. When it comes to infectious diseases, the flu is more likely to kill the people here than hantavirus or Ebola. Make sure to get your flu vaccines.

prism56 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

But I do worry a bit about dying in a car accident, it's why I wear my seatbelt, drive safe, try to drive defensively.

Adding both those risks together still is a higher risk than before...

wartywhoa23 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

The risk of dying is 100% for everyone alive.

nailuj 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This misses the point. The individual health risk might be low, the societal response to the risk might severely impact your life regardless of your personal risk exposure.

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You're right that this shouldn't cause worry. But it should command attention. At least as much as that stupid hantavirus nothingburger did.

trunkiedozer 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I ‘member when Obama imported Ebola. You ‘member? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Brantly

mindslight 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

By "import ebola" you of course mean repatriated a fine American citizen:

> Brantly attended Abilene Christian University in Texas, where he earned an undergraduate degree in biblical text in 2003. It was here, at ACU, where he pledged Pi Kappa, a men's social club founded on a deep sense of Christian brotherhood, regardless of which denomination that member belonged to

Say what you will about religion, this is someone who put its teachings into action. Meanwhile, you destructionists have jumped the shark long ago.

SoftTalker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"It is unclear how that [closure of US-AID program] might have affected the response to this outbreak."

But, we'll just throw that in to the story anyway, even though we have no facts either way.

Take8435 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Just wondering, do you think it's not relevant to help the reader understand context on the US' impact? Positive or negative?

SoftTalker an hour ago | parent [-]

The larger paragraph I pulled that from strongly implies that it's a negative, but then they weasel by throwing in the "it's unclear how that affected anything" line.

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> we'll just throw that in to the story anyway, even though we have no facts either way

We don't have a tight chain of causation. But we have plenty of facts pointing entirely one way.

We know there was "a critical four-week detection gap between the onset of symptoms of the presumed index case...and the laboratory confirmation of the outbreak" [1]. This has contributed to "significant uncertainties to the true number of infected persons and geographic spread associated with this event at the present time" [2]. And tying all of this back to DOGE, we know USAID's "more than 50 staffers dedicated to outbreak response" were cut to "just six people to handle Ebola, Marburg virus, mpox and bird flu preparedness" [3].

Musk and Trump didn't cause this outbreak. But we would have had a better chance of catching this sooner, and with more precision, if we had those resources there.

[1] https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2...

[2] https://www.who.int/news/item/17-05-2026-epidemic-of-ebola-d...

[3] https://www.spyuganda.com/another-one-us-cuts-aid-to-fight-e...

thrownthatway 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The headline from the WHO reads:

Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of the Congo declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern

https://www.who.int/news/item/17-07-2019-ebola-outbreak-in-t...

mentalgear 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Your linked article is dated at

> 17 July 2019

(people never seem to look for/check dates any more)

wizzwizz4 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Coincidentally (or perhaps not), their recent article claims the same thing: https://www.who.int/news/item/17-05-2026-epidemic-of-ebola-d...

> Pursuant to paragraph 2 of Article 12 - Determination of a public health emergency of international concern, including a pandemic emergency of the International Health Regulations (2005) (IHR), the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO), after having consulted the States Parties where the event is known to be currently occurring, is hereby determining that the Ebola disease caused by Bundibugyo virus in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Uganda constitutes a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC), but does not meet the criteria of pandemic emergency, as defined in the IHR.

alt227 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Its even in the pasted url!

bekon an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hacker here. Don't care about these "news".

ImPostingOnHN an hour ago | parent [-]

Welcome to HackerNews, new hacker!

Rather than posting things like this, please take a moment to review the posting guidelines[0], so that you can be a positive member of the community.

0 – https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

wartywhoa23 a minute ago | parent | next [-]

> so that you can be a positive member of the community.

I'll bite and argue that the parent is totally a positive new member of the community, by the virtue of demonstrating the right attitude to this old beaten biohazard doomsday scarecrow.

bekon 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It's not related to computers and is irrelevant to anyone not in Africa right now. Repent.

866-RON-0-FEZ an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Everyone panicking about this right now are the same ones I see walking around the office still wearing a filth-encrusted N95 that looks like it hasn't been changed or cleaned since 2020.