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A web page that shows you everything the browser told it without asking(sinceyouarrived.world)
113 points by mwheelz 4 hours ago | 63 comments
card_zero an hour ago | parent | next [-]

* I'm not in that city.

* It's running a kind of Chrome on a kind of Linux, at a stretch.

* Nobody can infer when I work and when I sleep. That includes me.

* The recent, high-end display is the screen of a low-end tablet I bought in a supermarket five years ago.

* But yes, browser fingerprinting is annoying.

* Since you can detect light mode, would it kill you to honor it?

delichon 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It was much better for me.

* Your socks don't match anything in the room.

* The man you thought you killed in Tuscaloosa woke up and walked home an hour later and is now a chiropractor in Shreveport.

* Your daughter is pregnant by the kid who trims the hedges.

* Your dog is dreaming about the squirrel in the wood pile.

How does it know?

BugsJustFindMe 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

* That's the wrong battery percentage and the wrong charging status.

> Since you can detect light mode, would it kill you to honor it?

It would probably still be low contrast garbage even if it did. :/

tempodox a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If the color scheme weren’t so atrocious, it would almost be possible to read what it says.

lucideer 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The website is pretty & the overdramatic copy is fun, but there's much better fingerprinting demos out there.

The number of data points shown here is low - there's plenty more it could be checking - & a good number of them seem to be wrong (it's only detecting one as explicitly "withheld" but I believe a few of them actually are, leading to garbled output).

Needs some QA.

troyvit an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Your graphics processor identified itself as or similar.

That checks out. I think what I have is similar to a graphics card but isn't quite.

pona-a an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A vibe-coded EFF Cover Your Tracks. The fact this made it to front-page is spookier than its contents

ebolyen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's really a lot more you can look at here. Lot's a prior art on super-cookies and fingerprinting:

https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/

https://amiunique.org/

mwheelz an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Both linked in the Sources & Confessions modal at the bottom. Cover Your Tracks is the spiritual ancestor of this whole piece. amiunique is more rigorous; this is the editorial cousin.

cf100clunk 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

Brutally dark site doesn't seem to show much to my eyes. No modal appearing at the bottom.

cf100clunk an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Another info leakage feedback tool:

https://www.ipleak.com/full-report/

corobo 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dunno what it is with the wording but my brain started reading it in a bit of a "Hello Clarice" Hannibal Lecter style lol

>The specific combination of fonts on your device is nearly unique — like a fingerprint made of letters

Is this one true? I've not made any changes to fonts on my phone that I know of, wouldn't it just be bog standard iPhone fonts?

Curiosity not challenge

Cider9986 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I prefer https://fingerprint.com/demo

Terrible company-at least you know you are testing what is being used.

IdiotSavage 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Where you were before

> news.ycombinator.com

This has always bothered me the most. I disabled the 'Referer' header once, but it breaks many websites.

culi 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most of this is pretty standard stuff but one thing I did learn is some of the fingerprinting techniques I wouldn't've thought of. Like Mozilla/Apple not sharing GPU or battery information being used to confirm which browser I use even if I fake the User Agent String.

mrpopo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Happy to say that my browser didn't tell anything that I didn't expect it to. It even identified my IP from a location 1000km away from me.

Firefox on Android with ublock

carimura 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Aren't LLMs smart enough to choose better color contrast by now?

freedomben an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that it gives my exact GPU, but that was surprising to me. Just so everyone knows, its an AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT and I paid way too much for it during the covid/crypto price explosion when they were sold out everywhere. Still a bit raw about that, but it is an excellent card on Linux (fedora)

dylan604 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

"Your graphics processor identified itself as or similar"

guess mine isn't such a specific model as yours. so I don't have a real GPU, i have something similar to a GPU??? did I get a knock off Alibaba version?

mwheelz an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Real bug. Firefox returns "Mozilla, or similar" for the renderer string and my parser was grabbing the second half. Fixed; pushing in a minute. Your GPU is fine. Your browser is doing the right thing.

stusmall an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I got "or similar" from Firefox and exact make and model from chrome. Probably a browser issue and not a hardware issue.

mwheelz 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Confirmed. Firefox's privacy hardening returns "Mozilla, or similar" or just "Mozilla" as the renderer string. Chrome doesn't (yet). My parser was treating the Firefox string as if it were ANGLE format and grabbing the wrong half. Fixed.

dylan604 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

not regretting choice of browser at all

tgv an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It got mine quite wrong (Firefox).

The thing that bothered me is that browser are still sending the Referer info. I thought that was not supposed to work under https?

mwheelz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The GPU string really is the spicy one combined with screen + fonts it's enough to single you out across most of the open web. The card itself is a tank.

2ndorderthought 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yea that is a strong fingerprint. Especially if any of the other things were correct or someone has a way to model your behaviors. How long you scroll vs how often you type etc. and somehow that's still not enough for big tech and they need biometrics, photo IDs, etc.

ape4 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah the exact kind shouldn't matter - just the WebGL capabilities.

scragz an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

you are using a Radeon RX 6900 XT on Fedora Linux. we know this because you admitted it in the previous comment.

wincy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My battery is at NaN%, the site is cool but it should probably change the text if I’m not actually exposing that information.

It got the city wrong but close to where I live. This stuff would be wildly wrong if I fired up my VPN. Although its annoying when I connected to a VPN to Steam it’ll often show my prices in Canadian dollars instead of USD.

freedomben an hour ago | parent [-]

Heh, my battery (which I don't have cause this is a desktop) is at 100% apparently

dylan604 an hour ago | parent [-]

Battery: kept back Your browser kept your battery level back. Firefox removed this API entirely in 2016, after researchers proved it could be used to track a visitor across websites without cookies, without consent. The API still exists in the specification. It was simply hidden — from you, and from any page that might ask after it.

Well, at least something positive from the shit I take for not sheepling my way through life using Chrome

chrisweekly an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I appreciate the intent here, so this is constructive feedback:

  - Some of the numbers are off, eg 
"Your browser allocated 39322 MB of storage to this page alone"

  - low contrast in dark mode makes text hard to read
mwheelz an hour ago | parent [-]

The 39 GB number is a bug. I was reading quota (browser allow-up-to ceiling) and calling it "allocated." Fixed; pushing now. Contrast is intentional but I hear you. not changing it but noted, and a cleaner reading mode is on the to-do later.

topham 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

Contrast is a violation of accessibility guidelines.

aziaziazi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Your screen is 320 by 568 pixels, rendered at 2x density — which means it is almost certainly a recent, high-end display.

It’s been a long time my 2016’ iPhone as been called recent or high-end but I’ll take the compliment, thank-you.

joshstrange an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's somewhat interesting but over half of what it talked about is just silly.

- Reverse IP/geocode (while be cute about "we won't show your IP", oh no, not my IP!)

- Timezone - Ok, yeah, lots of websites need/make use of that for completely legit tasks

- Browser/OS/Screen size - boring, again mostly needed or historical

- GPU - Again, not super interesting IMHO

- Battery - Ok, this is the first one I think should be behind a permission dialog

- Language - Come off it, that's just table stakes

- Fonts - Again, not sure how else this should work in a "perfect" world

- Cookies/dark mode/DnT/etc - Ehh, again aside from fingerprinting (which ruins everything) these are all QoL improvements IMHO

- Referrer - Again, this is just how the web works

I think the websites that take all of that and show you a fingerprint or show the data in a more data-oriented way are way more compelling.

This, almost certainly vibe-coded, website doesn't do anything novel and hits on a huge pet peeve of mine: using low-quality arguments for a legit issue (fingerprinting). By mixing in stuff like your IP/Language on the same level as Battery/GPU/other-fingerprinty-things it makes the whole argument less compelling.

thesuitonym 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm with you on almost all of this, but since you (almost) asked, here's how I think fonts should work:

The server tells your browser to display a line of text in a specific font. If that font is available, your browser does so, and if not, it displays the text in your default font, or a backup font if the developer specified one. There's no need for the server to know if it's there or not.

Multicomp an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mine told me my graphics card was "or similar" so my stock Firefox is doing at least okay.

While I still follow the general privacy first tenets, I have ended up backing off on some tools (noscript and librewolf) at the extremes of privacy because if every site is going to track everything by my IP or by my ASN or browser fingerprint, I do have a happy medium of being private enough while not being utterly broken in my browsing.

Roughly that looks like email aliases on demand via sieve rules, ublock origin with liberal use of filter lists, different handles and a password manager, frozen credit ratings, and Tailscale exit nodes or Mozilla(Mullvad) VPN for uncontrolled WiFi access points for my jnrootabke android device and mostly signal for comms.

I'm getting to old to be a privacy extreme enthusiast when all of my family side channels everything straight to Facebook, so this is the impure level of privacy I can sustain.

Milpotel an hour ago | parent [-]

Same for me, also the "screen" size is off (just shows window size), the location is off by hundreds of kilometres and other information is quite generic (battery level "kept back", small set of standard fonts available...).

crazygringo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is just... silly. Everything it told me, while browsing on my iPhone, seems entirely reasonable.

> Every page you have ever visited knows at least this much. Most of them know more. None of them told you.

So? Why would I want the news site I'm visiting to "tell me" it knows my preferred language, that I'm using light mode, or the estimated location of my IP address...?

It's not surprising that a browser which renders text can be used to identify which fonts are available. It's not surprising that a browser which allows calculation with your GPU will identify your type of GPU.

The "without asking" framing is just silly. I expect to be asked for consent to use my webcam or microphone or exact precise location. But the last thing I want is to be asked for permission around detecting my local time zone or preferred language or my screen resolution or 20 other totally reasonable things for a website to be able to know.

Gualdrapo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Text is so dim is really hard to read.

O1111OOO 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

If you're on FF, this could be helpful for these kinds of sites (I use it all the time):

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/site-color-ch...

nathanmills 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can't gaurentee any of this is fingerprintable without checking twice (i.e. give the user a unique url, then ask them to restart the browser and visit it). In privacy browsers like LibreWolf or Mullvad Browser this is almost all spoofed, save for things like the IP which needs to be hidden/changed independently of the browser.

aidanbeck an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Aside from the fingerprinting methods, the graphics processor string seems to be the most immediately personal data given up (other than location, which was incorrect for me). I could see sites tailoring ads around an assumed class, income, and level of digital literacy based on this data point alone.

ramon156 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Its mixing confidential info. For example, you know I'm connected from a location, but you do not know my precise location. I connected from a tower that is from Odido, but I am not paying Odido for a subscription.

mwheelz 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Right, IP-to-geo is approximate and gets a lot of cases wrong (yours among them). Most ad networks use it as a region/DMA hint, and not precise positioning. The point of including it isn't precision. It's that any location is more than nothing, and the visitor never opted in.

sgarrity 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not worried about my privacy. No one can read the dark text on that page anyhow.

Retr0id an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Your screen is 1512 by 982 pixels, rendered at 2x density — which means it is almost certainly a recent, high-end display. Your device volunteered all of this in the first milliseconds of the connection.

No it didn't. It was queried by the JS running on the page. It's a fun demo but it could really do without the slop prose.

mwheelz 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

Pedantic but right. The JS queries them; the browser returns them without prompting the user. "Volunteered" is the editorial verb for that round-trip but it does paper over a layer.

yakkomajuri an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

DuckDuckGo browser helped mask some stuff, but definitely a fair amount still goes through.

Annoyingly the web is becoming a bit more annoying to browse as a DuckDuckGo (mobile) and Brave (desktop) user. With a VPN on top it gets even worse.

superkuh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

With javascript off it just stalls at "reading" forever. There are certainly some viewport properties and other things it does know even without JS execution, but the mitigation is significant. And the page itself (the JS application) cannot act on that data or communicate it. Instead it has to be processed by some other application on the backend or wherever. Not in my browser by my computer.

Steve16384 an hour ago | parent [-]

I can't help feeling that if you're turning JS off, you might as well turn off your computer to protect your data.

dylan604 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

As an experiment, I made a small retail shop (< 30 products) that would use JS for modern style async/await calls, but would then use old school POSTs if JS was disabled with full page reloads on every POST. it sucked to dev and as UX, but it was possible to do. Had the non-JS POST style updates been any less annoying, it might have been viable. Nobody likes full reloads. They suck. JS can do nice things for UX. It's just that we can't have nice things because people suck

MarsIronPI 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This site actually works just fine without JS.

andai an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nah, HTTP logs still leak my circadian rhythm.

MarkusQ an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

That's actually a fantastic idea!

Oh wait, no, I'm an e-addict. Drat! Curse this monkey!

htx80nerd 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>OH MY GOD WE KNOW STUFF ABOUT YOU

peoples obsession with 100% privacy while operating in a public space is immature. if you're that risk averse dont connect to the internet.

rappatic 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Vibecoded slop with LLM-written copy. When will it stop

efilife 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

We desperately need some tagging system/convention here. Maybe just putting [AI] into the title. This bullshit is getting really tiring.

It looks like this is an ad by the way, check op's posting history

romanows 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lol, the description text is so dramatic.

thatguy0900 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Man what a awful looking site. I shouldn't have to crank my brightness to max to kind of read the words

fodkodrasz 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

I agree, this site is an eyesore.

I use windows color filters (Grayscale inverted is my preferred, in the past I used plain inverted) for poor man's dark mode (or light mode in this case) for stuff that doesn't honor my color scheme and hurts my eyes. It also has a hotkey, so it is really handy sometimes, but you need to enable it in the settings.

Assistive technologies are great, not only because they benefit those who have no choice but to rely on them, but also they can benefit the luckier people.

efilife 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

We've seen tens of pages like this, all done better. Now the vibe coders got into it and completely fuck up the idea.