| ▲ | donohoe 3 hours ago |
| Not a lawyer but... if you have the DVD its legal to make a backup digital copy. I am thinking the same thing. Most recent movies are available for under $20 per DVD - and there are tons of deals. You can get the 4 lego movies for $5 on DVD on Amazon right now. A "Tom Cruise 10-Movie Collection" is $12. You get the idea. Get the DVD. Make a legal backup. Keep the physical DVD in storage. You now "own" the movie (or TV show), not a "license". In my neighborhood you will often see people selling DVD collections where you get 10-20 discs for $10 or less - varies. I'm sure that is the case elsewhere. NAS + Apple TV with Infuse app installed = Better than Netflix (and others) imho. (Note: I do recommend the one-time lifetime license for Infuse app = $99.99) Reference: - "Backup DVD Copies Legal Says Electronic Frontier Foundation"
https://www.eff.org/effector/16/7#I - "2026 DVD Digital Copyright Laws in US, UK, Japan, Australia..."
https://www.winxdvd.com/resource/dvd-copyright-infringement-... |
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| ▲ | tim-tday 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| It is, but it is illegal to break the copy protection. So if you have the license, download a legal fair use back via “alternate distribution channels”. |
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| ▲ | toddmorey 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Also with this approach, you actually have a real collection and it's fun to collect things. My son has autism and viewed his Netflix homepage as his personal curated collection. But then, of course, Netflix renegotiates licensing deals and entire seasons or shows just go away. And it really crushes him because it's like they were stolen from his personal collection. So now when I hear him play, the super villain trying to destroy the world is always named Reed Hastings. |
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| ▲ | airstrike 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > So now when I hear him play, the super villain trying to destroy the world is always named Reed Hastings. That is absolutely hilarious and it totally sounds like a villain's name | |
| ▲ | HWR_14 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is interesting that Netflix alone gets blamed, as opposed to the parties they are negotiating with. | | |
| ▲ | autoexec 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Netflix is ultimately responsible for what they put on the platform, for delivering a consistent product to their users, and for setting expectations. Netflix is exceptionally shitty at letting people what is leaving their platform and when, and even letting them know when the shows they saved or were in the middle of watching have been removed. Netflix has been around for ages but we still have to depend on third party websites to tell us what's coming/leaving. Some items will have a "leaving soon" banner on the thumbnail, but that's only good for shows netflix decides to push at you. There's no section or search that will find all that stuff (searching for "leaving soon" will show you some of them) | |
| ▲ | altairprime 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Netflix chose to negotiate revocable licenses to save money and draw in users, so it does seem valid to assign blame to Netflix for signing such contracts. |
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| ▲ | kllrnohj 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > You can get the 4 lego movies for $5 on DVD on Amazon right now. A "Tom Cruise 10-Movie Collection" is $12. You get the idea. The image quality on these is also quite bad, especially with cost cutting resulting in these being compressed further to fit on a single-layer DVD. Often without any indication that it happened, as well. Whether or not you find it acceptable is definitely a matter of personal taste, but it's very much apples & oranges vs. Netflix. Blu-ray by contrast is generally better quality than what you'll get from streaming services. |
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| ▲ | altairprime 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | As a kid I watched Fantasia on VHS so many times that the tape quality started to decay and my parents stored it away for special occasions. The quality decay didn’t bother me at all. |
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| ▲ | bisby 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Own" the movie in quotes is interesting. Because you own the physical medium, but the data encoded on it is still copyrighted and can be treated in some ways like a license still. It is possible to obtain a legal copy of physical media and not be legally allowed to view it in certain ways. Backups are legal (assuming you keep the physical DVD, like youve said, and dont just "make a backup" and then sell the original), but you don't just have carte blanche to the content still (ie, region coding has weird legalities to it, public viewing is still not allowed, because you havent licensed that right.) That said, I still fully agree with you. I just find the "license" vs "ownership" topic interesting for physical copies. The fact that media companies are so strongly trying to limit your rights just means you need to make sure you keep what rights you do have. I spent 3 years personally backing up my wife's 1400 DVDs, because with that many of them, at some point the discs are bound to go bad. Reference: https://language-studio.clas.ufl.edu/copyright-law-and-educa... |
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| ▲ | NoMoreNicksLeft 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Because you own the physical medium, but the data encoded on it is still copyrighted Yes, and it turns out I also own the hard drives that it's stored on. The thumb drives. The SSDs. And there is no copyright police in my utility room. But there is a Plex server. The "Netflix sucks and I don't have enough control over my shows" problem was solved years ago. Seriously, you can stream this to any device you own, whether you're at home or in some hotel a continent away. You can stream it for your friends. >I spent 3 years personally backing up my wife's 1400 DVDs, because with that many of them, at some point the discs are bound to go bad. I made a list of our DVDs, then gave them away and spend a few weeks downloading those. In many cases, like Star Trek TNG, I ended up getting improved versions... god help me, interlace comb. | | |
| ▲ | fhn an hour ago | parent [-] | | So if I rent out the device that I own, I can make $$? Also, the everybody is my friend. $$$$. | | |
| ▲ | BizarroLand an hour ago | parent [-] | | I have seen, quite recently, on sites like Amazon and Ebay, 4-26tb refurbished hard drives filled with digital media for sale. So, yes, you can. Is it legal? No. But neither is selling cocaine in a nightclub yet many people fund their entire lifestyle doing just that. |
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| ▲ | rahimnathwani 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The vertical resolution of a DVD is either 480 (NTSC) or 576 (PAL). This usually matched the visible vertical resolution of the TV you were using. A 1080p screen has 6 times as many pixels as an NTSC DVD. A 4k screen has 24 times as many pixels as an NTSC DVD. |
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| ▲ | mschild 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most movies and tv shows are available for similar prices on blue rays, often in 4k versions. While the resolution may be higher on streaming, the bitrate is often significantly worse. Beyond that Netflix has done upscaling in the past with middling success. Nevermind the horrendous AI upscaling they tried last year.
https://futurism.com/netflix-ai-upscaling-old-shows-horrific | | |
| ▲ | tombert 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’ve noticed that a lot of newer releases, particularly TV shows, are not getting Blu-ray releases. |
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| ▲ | MrDOS 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Resolution isn't the only problem. SD resolution (particularly PAL) is quite tolerable, if it's well-encoded from a good source. DVDs are not well-encoded, and the sources are typically poorer, too. DVDs store MPEG-2 Part 2 (H.262) video streams. It's an extremely old, inefficient codec. (It was published in 1996! Next month, it'll be 30 years old!) It looks best when the encoder is given a bitrate limit north of 20 megabits per second, but DVD-Video has a hardware limit of 10 Mbps, and that includes the audio and subtitle streams. Most video streams on DVDs get 4-5 Mbps. MPEG-2 also isn't a very good codec; no matter how much bandwidth you get it, it's never really considered to be “transparent” (that is, encoding artifacts are always visible). If you take a Blu-ray copy of a film (FHD or UHD, doesn't really matter), scale it down to SD resolution, and run it through a good HEVC (H.265) encoder, you'll usually find that a DVD-equivalent encoding takes about a third, maybe a quarter of the space. Or, if you go the other way and let the encode take as much space as the MPEG-2 one on the DVD, you'll almost certainly see an obvious difference, particularly in action scenes. Starting a physical media collection? Fantastic. Good for you (seriously). But get Blu-rays wherever possible. You'll mostly have to forego the thrift shop, fine, but if you're ever actually going to watch the film, you'll vastly prefer it. | | |
| ▲ | simpaticoder 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I have both Blu-ray and DVDs and I've found its the content that determines which is good enough. Kids in care not one bit about image quality. Obviously: people still like retro games, too. But then other movies, like anything by Villenueve or Nolan, or Baraka, really want to be on 4K Blu-ray. But kids movies on DVD are perfectly fine, and sitcoms like Community. (Personally I'd pay extra to NOT see Pierce in 4k). I recently purchased the Firefly Blu-ray and it was an interesting case because it's image quality isn't that much better than the DVD (but definitely better) however it's sound quality was astonishingly better than the DVD. I imagine this has a lot to do with the source material, how it was mastered, etc. I still stream, but I like that I have a core collection that will never disappear without warning, or be edited behind my back (which happens all the time, without notice, especially on YouTube and on Amazon Prime). | | |
| ▲ | layer8 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yes, for older TV titles, the main reason to opt for Blu-ray is the better sound quality. Although DVD supports uncompressed audio (LPCM), that was rarely used outside Japan, and regular stereo audio typically used pretty mediocre compression. When using subtitles, another reason is the higher-resolution fonts. |
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| ▲ | prmoustache 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | On paper yes it feels like a downside. Practically if the movie/show is good, you don't really mind. I have been watching a number of french and mexican movies from the 50's and 60's these last few weeks and video resolution was not an issue. Sound quality and mixing on the other hand was more of a problem if I didn't wanted to turn the volume too high, especially the mexican ones (Cantinflas). I don't know what is it with mexican movies, even movies to this day tend to have a terrible sound mixing. It is annoying because actors tend to speak in a much more natural and pleasant way than their US counterparts and their ugly vocal fry (women) or ridiculous mumbling (men). | |
| ▲ | tehwebguy 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t think DVDs look bad on a 1080p TV, others that assume they will may be surprised! | | |
| ▲ | to11mtm 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think too many people remember DVDs but mostly remember them on Interlaced displays. Or hooked their DVD player to the HDTV with an RCA cable and were disappointed. On the flipside, if you had a DVD player capable of progressive scan and Component or HDMI-out, it's fine for couch viewing. That said, there are plenty of DVDs out there (extreme case, single layer DVD with extras on same disc as movie) where the bitrate can show, but that's not a fault of the format. | | |
| ▲ | prmoustache 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am watching DVDs on a 1080p projector to the large wall of my living room. It is a 10y old cheap aliexpress one so it is not the sharpest you can get and it actually makes the DVD enjoyable as it smoothen a bit the whole thing. I don't really know what is at play but I can only say it seems to blur the image in a pleasant "optical way", not like if I was applying a gaussian blur and was watching it on an high dpi screen. | | |
| ▲ | mrec 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Makes perfect sense; old CRT TVs had the same kind of effect in making low resolutions bearable. (If you think DVD is bad, you'd have loved long-play VHS at around 230p...) |
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| ▲ | b112 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It really depends on the size of the unit I think. When you get over 50", it seems to me you can really tell 480p vs 1080p, especially if you watch lots of 2160p content. If your TV is under 50", I don't think you'd notice quite so much. | |
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| ▲ | giancarlostoro 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you buy one that has a VUDU code, and go on moviesanywhere.com you can now link your VUDU account, your Apple iTunes account and your Google Movies account, and whoever else, and the movie unlocks on all those other streaming services. So if you buy a BluRay movie, you can stream it on your favorite streaming service provider thanks to MovisAnywhere (run by the movie industry - the one rare good thing they did). I buy movies only when its one I really want and there's either an iTunes code or a VUDU code. |
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| ▲ | autoexec 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It's good to note that moviesanywhere.com, Kanopy, and VUDU (now Fandango at Home) sell your data and use it for market research (in addition to other things, there's no telling what it will be used for after it's sold). That said, for those of us in California "Kanopy does not sell your information. Kanopy does not share your information with third parties for money or other valuable consideration." | |
| ▲ | tracker1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's also worth looking into if your local library offers Kanopy services. | | |
| ▲ | ynac 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Big ups on that! Not to mention your local library's collection of DVDs. Or, their inter-library loan system for the ultra weird and rare. One note on Kanopy - they use a ticket system (10-15 tickets per library customer). So if you have a couple people in your household, all of your library card numbers contribute tickets to the login. And, if you have two library systems like we do here (KCLS and SPL) you can double dip on all the cards again. No hack required - Kanopy actually has a very nice way of failing over to other cards as your quota is used up. And if that's not enough, try Scarecrow Video out of Seattle. They are the masters of physical digital film media right now. It's fun to try to stump them. And they provide mailorder system similar to the old red envelopes of NetFlix. eBay has DVD collections go up for sale all the time. Fun to buy the "box of movies" for $100 and see what you get. Another big haul for me is from local thrift stores - usually 50 cents to 2 bucks a disc. |
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| ▲ | pnw 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I do the same. Minor correction - it's no longer Vudu, it's now called Fandango at home. You also have to watch out for expiry dates on the codes. US only. Paramount and Lionsgate are the only studios which don't participate IIRC. |
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| ▲ | tombert 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > if you have the DVD its legal to make a backup digital copy. Is this actually true? I thought there was inherent illegality to cracking the DRM on DVDs. Granted, I doubt anyone is going to come after you for making a backup of a legitimate copy, but I think strictly speaking it's still illegal. I am also not a lawyer. |
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| ▲ | mingus88 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This was a big issue back in the DVDCSS days. The DMCA explicitly forbids bypassing protective measures. Doesn’t matter who owns the media, the copyright holder owns the content. 17 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(1)(A) Which was the beginning of the end for ownership vs purchasing a license. That thing you paid for isn’t yours. | |
| ▲ | to11mtm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Possibly in some countries... But at least in the US, it is a DMCA violation. DMCA gets a little weird; Basically unless you're distributing it is a civil penalty (which, I could be wrong but would mean you'd get a Jury trial, even assuming it ever came up) and I doubt you would ever run into legal issues so long as you were only backing up for personal use. It's where you get into distribution that anyone starts to care, and it's when you do distribution on a large scale that criminal penalties come into play. However there may be countries where possession of an 'illegal number' or 'DRM Breaking software' is considered legal for personal use. | | |
| ▲ | layman51 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I am not a lawyer, but yeah I think there seems to be like a distinction in the United States between copying a "protected DVD" versus an unprotected one. It's still sort of confusing to me because would that mean then that if you are making a personal backup in the United States, would it technically be allowed if you pointed a video camera at your own TV screen? | |
| ▲ | tombert 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah as I said, I doubt they’re going to send the FBI after you if you’re just ripping for your own backups; I think they care a lot more about people putting it on ThePirateBay or something. |
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| ▲ | surround 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, DMCA made the mere act of breaking DRM illegal, even if what you do with the media is legal. | |
| ▲ | babypuncher 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I am also NAL, but it almost certainly is legal to make backups for personal use. Breaking the encryption is the usual legal hangup, though there is no real enforcement on this front and nobody is stopping you from using Handbrake or MakeMKV. More importantly however, is the fact that there isn't a meaningful argument that making backups of physical media you own is ethically wrong. | | |
| ▲ | tombert 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh I don’t think it’s ethically wrong in the slightest. If you own the DVD you have given the copyright holder due compensation; I think it’s ethically fine to make a backup of media that you legally purchased. I was just saying that I don’t think it’s actually legal to do so for a DVD since those usually have CSS encryption. |
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| ▲ | kevin_thibedeau 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The EFF doesn't decide what is legal. Unauthorized copies of commercial videos are still a copyright violation in the US. The DMCA anti-circumvention provisions aren't relevant. The AHRA permits private copies of audio recordings with the proviso that SCMS (or equivalent) must be implemented to prevent multi-generational copying. That last requirement has never been enforced and is now unworkable but it's still in effect. |
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| ▲ | usernametaken29 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Just say you’re training a multimodal language model and in this weird parallel universe we live in suddenly you’re not breaking copyright.
Bonus points if your model reproduces the original 1:1.
Definitely not a copy though |
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| ▲ | yellottyellott 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| TrueNAS + AppleTV + Infuse + Tailscale is my setup. Also iTunes has Movies for $5, but it has DRM, which bit me since I always remembered their mp3s being DRM-free back in the day being a big deal. |
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| ▲ | mapontosevenths 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's ok if you don't care about sound much. Apple prevents local playback apps from playing back Atmos audio. It's fine if you only want 5.1 though. There used to be some limitations with Dolby Vision as well, but I think those have mostly been straightened out now. | | |
| ▲ | mingus88 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah if Apple ever allows audio passthru then the appleTV would dethrone the aging Nvidia shield as the best streamer on the market I have a modest AVR and 7 channel setup and still watch movies on my shield which is still getting android updates | |
| ▲ | maayank 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | wait. If I use VLC (for example) on AppleTV to play something from my network using SMB or DLNA, I cannot get Dolby Atmos? | | |
| ▲ | mapontosevenths 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Right. I'm under the impression that it's a licensing thing. It also can't do TrueHD Atmos in general. Just lossy Dolby DD+ for audio. It also doesn't do Dolby Vision properly, only supporting the profiles meant for streaming that use less data. Similarly, It CAN do Atmos for E-AC3 audio, but E-AC3 is meant for streaming, so it's really rare to have that in a file you're playing back locally. Basically, it just falls back to whatever the next best thing it can support is at the hardware level. This is one area where Android wins. The Nvidia Shield, despite being ancient, is your best bet for local playback. It's still limited on the supported Dolby Vision profiles, but can just pass the audio through to your receiver without mucking with it. So you get all the bells and whistles. Other than the shield your only alternatives are weird dedicated devices that are literally built for playing back UHD blu-ray rips (Dune HD, etc). https://community.firecore.com/t/help-get-more-dolby-atmos-o... | |
| ▲ | hapticmonkey 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Dolby TrueHD and DTS:X audio tracks (from Bluray) are played as lossless 7.1 PCM. Only Dolby Atmos from WEB-DLs will play, and you need to use a supported player (like Infuse or VidHub). It’s a tvOS limitation. |
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| ▲ | dawnerd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's also fairly trivial these days to backup 4k blurays. You can also buy them very cheap second hand. The quality difference between streaming and 4k BR is nuts. |
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| ▲ | benoliver999 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I run jellyfin and on iOS infuse is the only player that seems to work with all codecs |
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| ▲ | bombcar 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I've had some luck with Swiftfin though the UI is no where near as polished as Infuse. |
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| ▲ | iwontberude 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'll just continue to take the DVDs out of my neighbor's trash and play those instead and disregard licensing entirely.* * Usenet |
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| ▲ | babypuncher 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've been doing this since 2009. Regular 1080p blu-rays still usually provide better image quality than streaming services. It's not even a contest between streaming and 4k discs. I've bought and watched hundreds of movies and TV shows on disc, but can count the number of times I've used an actual disc player to do so on one hand. |
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