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The Resolv hack: How one compromised key printed $23M(chainalysis.com)
93 points by timbowhite 11 hours ago | 123 comments
bob1029 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> The attacker compromised Resolv’s cloud infrastructure to gain access to Resolv’s AWS Key Management Service (KMS) environment where the protocol’s privileged signing key was stored.

Ok, but how was the AWS infrastructure compromised? This appears to be the crux of the entire article.

AWS is very hard to break if you are using the IAM roles properly and avoiding manual secret management. If the only thing that can even sign a JWT is a very specific blessed EC2 instance that has exclusive access to KMS, your attack surface is nearly zero by comparison to a similar setup where administrators use email or Discord to communicate API credentials.

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/iam-role...

The protocol around using an HSM is just as important as the machine itself. It seems like some of us are going to be speed running PCI-DSS the hard way.

primitivesuave 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Missing from the article - the hacker first compromised Resolv Lab's AWS account, took a private key from KMS that was used to control minting, then managed to extract $25 million into ETH before all protocol functions were suspended.

WatchDog 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> took a private key from KMS

They used KMS to sign the minting operation, but they didn't "take" the key, AWS KMS doesn't let you extract keys.

pants2 4 hours ago | parent [-]

^ this is a common security misconception in crypto. "We're using an HSM, they can't steal our private key." OK genius now you still have to secure the HSM.

There's no shortcut to MPC/multisig with 3+ keyholders.

Ferret7446 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's still significantly better, since access can be revoked, vs a leaked key where you're permanently fucked

WatchDog 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> you still have to secure the HSM

Obviously.

> There's no shortcut to MPC/multisig with 3+ keyholders.

The whole concept of a stablecoin seems to be based on centralised trust. Ultimately there is some org that has the fiat bank account, that mints and redeems the coins.

thebiblelover7 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you have a source for that information? I'd like to read more on it.

layer8 8 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/lessons-from-the-resolv-hac...

https://xcancel.com/zacodil/status/2035658779706974556

abrookewood 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's explicitly mentioned in the article:

A step by step breakdown of the attack Step 1. Gaining Access to Resolv’s AWS KMS Environment

leonidasv 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The link was changed, the old one did not mention it (apparently): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47498220

Aurornis 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

According to a writeup at https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/lessons-from-the-resolv-hac... this started with a plain old hack that compromised their signing key.

They also had a smart contract which didn't do some proper checks, but the hack was only possible with the stolen private key. Whoever held the private key was able to mint a lot of money, unchecked.

So there was a traditional hack at the core of this heist, not just a smart contract exploit.

dang 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We've changed the URL to that link from https://bfmtimes.com/hacker-mints-80-million-worth-of-fake-s... above. Thanks!

amarant 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is there any proof, or even indication, that this wasn't an inside job?

bravoetch 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Usually I would expect proof for a positive - like that it was an inside job, or there being an indication of it. I'm not saying whether it was or not, just that it seems unusual for you to ask about proof of it NOT being an inside job.

kibwen 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When it comes to crypticurrencies, no, the "hack" that turns out to be an inside-job rugpull is so common that the correct burden of proof is on the people who think this wasn't an inside job.

amarant 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In a court of justice you'd be right, of course.

But for online armchair speculation, you have to admit it seems a likely explanation.

andai 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If the admins can "lock all transactions", what's the point of it being a crypto?

colordrops 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Exactly. Stablecoins make zero sense.

pants2 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Unbacked stablecoins like USR make no sense - but USDC is one of the few real uses that crypto has.

Jommi 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

USR is not unbacked. You have a severe misunderstanding of the whole situation if you say that.

oersted 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

To be fair, the article itself says "unbacked" right upfront:

> an attacker was able to mint tens of millions of Resolv’s unbacked stablecoins (USR) and extract roughly $23 million in value

mememememememo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Decentralized. Stable. Pick one.

Jommi 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

Decentralized > the transfer of authority, decision-making, or operational functions away from a central authority to smaller, local, or distributed nodes, systems, or entities

DAI is decentralized and stable

SubNoize 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Micro transactions? Giving agents access to money ?

mememememememo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Any token offers this.

boringg 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unless you are also trying to prop up the us government by buying treasuries (us based stable coins)

rchaud 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Most Treasuries are held by US banks, investment firms and municipalities. I'm pretty sure those firms hold a good chunk of global stablecoin volume, given the nonexistent regulation of crypto in the US relative to other countries.

koakuma-chan 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

you can send them around easily without having to deal with bullshit payment systems

snypher 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No-one in the real world wants to be paid with a $USR. Most everyone wants a cashapp/zelle/PayPal/wire transfer. The bullshit payment systems gained ground on crypto while crypto became more difficult/less usable

lagniappe 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

PYUSD is run by PayPal afaik.

koakuma-chan 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know what USR is, but I would prefer to be paid in USDT or USC if Wealthsimple supported it as deposit method. When I withdraw, I do Deel -> Wise -> Interac e-Transfer -> Bank -> Interac e-Transfer -> Wealthsimple. This is incredibly stupid and I am forced to buy Canadian dollars. For groceries or electronics, you can buy gift cards using crypto.

mothballed 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you track the FATFs crushing of bearer bonds, bearer notes, non-KYC/non-AML offshore banking, and Hawala it almost perfectly tracks with the rise of crypto.

troad 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But you do have to deal with bullshit payment systems. I can't receive stablecoins in my regular bank account, I'd have to set up some crypto nonsense on DankRocketBets or whatever for it to even work.

Why would I do this when I can already receive actual USD without any extra ceremony?

Stablecoins are a solution in search of a problem.

Jommi 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

you can receive. you just need to set it up.

there are like 50 (many YC) startups fixing this today trying to offer your the best and cheapest service

kevin_thibedeau 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The problem presents itself when you have dirty money to launder. It isn't a product for non-criminals but they have to convince enough gullible people to participate and blend in with them.

rossjudson 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Crypto is how you can invest in crime without doing crime.

koakuma-chan 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If your employer does direct deposit of USD into your USD bank account, you don't need stable coins. This is not the case for most people outside of the U.S.

troad 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I am outside the US. Many of my assets are in USD and USD-denominated securities. I've never touched a stablecoin.

Waiting to hear what "most people outside the US" are supposed to need those stablecoins for.

mothballed 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Most people don't realize they're inside a plexiglass shielded financial jail until they try to do something like wiring money for some legal activity in someplace spicy or on the FATF grey list.

If you fall into the middle bands of uses, or in the upper class that can just bend or make the rules, then the financial system is well oiled and it looks like the people questioning it are just cranks.

It's true that a lot of those in the outer bands are criminals but others are things like "buying a truck to build an orphanage for starving Iraqi children just outside of terrorist territory" or "wanted an investment visa in some corrupt island paradise and as it turns out no bank will open up account for purposes of 'international wires to the Comoros' "

troad 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Oh yeah, "most people outside the US" are looking to build orphanages in deeply sanctioned war zones. How could I have forgotten.

Come on now, that's absurd. If this is your best use case for stablecoins - groping for concocted scenarios to rationalise their existence - I stand by what I said earlier: they're a solution in search of a problem.

mothballed 9 hours ago | parent [-]

One of the two is very close to something that actually happened to me. I tried to open up a bank account for paying immigration related costs to a particular shithole country, which is both legal and was part of a fully legal endeavor, but no bank would do it.

The other example is somewhat concocted but rooted in the time I spent in Iraq and noting almost all transactions are performed outside the banking system, in part because banking is inaccessible and people often don't have access to KYC documents.

It's really not absurd. As soon as you start trying to do anything interesting the KYC/AML burdens get greater until eventually you realize the compliance officers are just trying to get you to go away (or just deny you outright), get interesting enough and then suddenly despite fully complying with the law you find the walls are closed around you. Most people never find out because they never have occasion to try, they do a bunch of boring domestic transactions plus maybe some international trade with a few well known entities, then they just shout people are making up absurdities.

troad 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Clearly your situation of trying to obtain residency in the Comoros by investment would raise eyebrows at banks whose job it is to monitor tax compliance. I don't think you're describing an everyman kind of scenario.

I also don't entirely understand why you're even rationalising the purpose of the account to the bank. Can't you just open an account for any purpose? It takes me five minutes to open an account online, and I've never once been asked to explain or justify anything (in many decades). I use my accounts robustly, including for international transfers (I've lived on two continents in the last four years). I even once paid for a trip to North Korea out of an ordinary bank account. My bank never batted an eye.

Maybe you're just dealing with a bad bank, or an over-regulated banking system (Europe?). You realise you can walk into any US bank right now and they'll just open an account for you with nothing more than some accurate ID? And the same holds for much of the rest of the world? The problem you're trying to solve is already solved.

>> The other example is somewhat concocted but rooted in the time I spent in Iraq and noting almost all transactions are performed outside the banking system, in part because banking is inaccessible and people often don't have access to KYC documents.

Unsophisticated semi-literate farmers are the last demographic anyone is reasonably expecting to open their crypto brokerage accounts and start trading synthetic USD derivatives.

These are just not realistic scenarios. This is what people say when they rack their brains trying to come up with some reason stablecoins might be useful. I feel like you're just confirming that they're a solution in search of a problem.

lmm an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> You realise you can walk into any US bank right now and they'll just open an account for you with nothing more than some accurate ID?

There's an ocean in the way, not to mention how risky visiting looks right now. I changed my name recently and the one US bank that I managed to get an account with (so that US clients can pay me without weirdness) won't accept any kind of documentation without going there in person (and I'm not sure I can provide anything they'll accept even if I did go there in person). What now?

mothballed 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Pick an FATF grey list country that isn't sanctioned by your country. Then try to wire money there. Let me know how it goes and whether you really aren't asked to explain anything.

tptacek 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This comment isn't really beating the rap that the primary purpose of stablecoins is to facilitate crime.

codebje 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Perhaps you meant: stablecoins are a scam in search of a victim.

kogasa240p 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Monero is better for that task.

bigfishrunning 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Until it becomes another bullshit payment system

Saline9515 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Stablecoins enable cash-like (instantly redeemable and verifiable) payments for large amounts, for almost free.

In EU countries, you can't now buy a car with cash. You have to buy a bearer's check from your bank, which is expensive, requires that both parties have a brick and mortar bank, and doesn't work cross-border. Stablecoins solve this.

Ekaros an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It was good while ago, but last time I bought a car I just did bank transfer. SEPA transfers are entirely free. Was kinda amazed that they just handed me keys when I showed them the receipt from my own online bank...

fc417fc802 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's a calculated risk. They know the VIN number and I assume made a copy of your photo ID.

stevage 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How do stablecoins fit in here? You can buy a car with crypto but not cash?

kogasa240p 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Makes it easier to do pump and dumps, was never about "privacy" or "decentralization" as web3 types parroted 4-5 years ago. Monero is the exception btw.

anonym29 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Stablecoins aren't cryptocurrencies in any sense of the word. It's just electronic FIAT.

amarant 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean they use Blockchain, right? Isn't that like the only real requirement for the name crypto?

As long as you burn as much electricity as Andorra does in a week just to make a transaction, you're probably a cryptocurrency. And that's their sole benefit it seems.

Saline9515 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Most blockchains nowadays are not proof of work anymore.

anonym29 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>I mean they use Blockchain, right? Isn't that like the only real requirement for the name crypto?

Absolutely not. Cryptocurrently exclusively refers to permissionless, decentralized, cryptographically secured, irreversible, fungible monetary system with a disinflationary or non-inflationary supply, following a voluntary, collectivized governance model.

A vast majority of tokens colloquially referred to as "cryptocurrency" couldn't be further from these principles. There are no stablecoins that are cryptocurrency. Ethereum is not cryptocurrency. Any coin issued by a corporation (e.g. Ripple) is not a cryptocurrency.

YawningAngel 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If your definition excludes Ethereum your understanding of the term so differs from everyone else's that we aren't talking about the same thing

anonym29 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Ethereum is a great utility token. Smart contracts absolutely have utility in the digital economy. It's just not a cryptocurrency, is all. It had a massive premine, there's no supply cap, it's subject to OFAC censorship, and has effectively demonstrated that just ~4.8% of the total ETH supply can vote to cause rollout and widespread adoption of a fork that reverses transactions.

We need different words for these fundamentally different things, because conflating them causes real confusion, as this very hack demonstrates. People are surprised that an admin can lock transactions precisely because the word "cryptocurrency" led them to assume properties that don't exist in stablecoins.

rando1234 an hour ago | parent [-]

Where did the 4.8% number come from? Is it based on the validator stake? How does that compare to the number required to fork Bitcoin as a function of it's supply?

amarant 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is there even any currency that meets that definition? Iirc even bitcoin had some kind of reversal back in the day, or am I misremembering? I seem to recall bitcoin splitting in 2 for a while as there was some disagreement on whether the reversal should be made or not.

Idk, it's been a while and my memory is fuzzy.

0x3f 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know how this specific thing works, but I don't really see any fundamental problem with mixing and matching. If you believe in the benefits of crypto, then 50% crypto is still possibly better than 0%.

It's not like I forgo a lock on my front door just because my windows are made of glass.

mnkyprskbd 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Currency isn't a homebrew computer or backyard car project; it is either centralised or not; there is no in between.

Blockchain with central authority is the worst of both worlds.

sota_pop 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Very much this, it’s all the technical rigour, code debt, and none of controls/reversibility.

At least when I report fraud to credit card or my bank, they can stop or undo/chargeback a transaction.

stan3223 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And if it is centralised, what is the point of blockchain? Just run it out a Postgres database.

0x3f 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not really. At a traditional bank I have to trust n people with varying degrees of access. Et ceteris paribus, any reduction in n is an improvement, even if n is not zero.

Of course n can be smaller and the specific people less trustworthy, but that's quite a different thing.

mnkyprskbd 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At a traditional bank you have your national deposit insurance scheme; you get that in return for converting your "assets" to the said nations issued currency but accept the authorities control of the money supply and your funds.

With decentralised money, you get the safety of a globally distributed attestation backed by cryptography without a single authority controlling the supply of money or your funds.

There is no halfway option. You either have a single authority that can exercise control or you do not; number of delegates for exercise of control is almost irrelevant since you can change banks.

0x3f an hour ago | parent [-]

I mean you're just making bare assertions, of course there are halfway options. Different components of the account or relationship can have different parameters. Most crypto products are not the equivalent of depositor accounts anyway, they wouldn't be insured necessarily at a traditional bank either.

ribosometronome 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That access is to provide account support, no? Reverse fraudulent transactions and the like. A "bank" could just not do that save for if you're a large enough client to merit attention but why would I want to bank there if I'm not a large enough client?

snypher 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ok so we are expected to trust; the creator/s, some random hacker, whoever else has the key? So the value here is between 2 and 'many'.

0x3f an hour ago | parent [-]

You're expected to do your own research about how it works, who the keyholders are, and what permissions they have. You're free to choose only projects where n=0. If you choose n>0, you have to work out your trust and confidence level. You're always free to use the traditional financial system as well.

nkrisc 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If my money in the bank is stolen I have legal recourse.

dylan604 9 hours ago | parent [-]

is insured by the FDIC legal recourse?

mothballed 9 hours ago | parent [-]

FDIC does not cover bank theft[].

  FDIC deposit insurance does not protect against losses due to theft or fraud, which are addressed by other laws.
That's covered by private bankers bond insurance, much like you could get for a decentralized stored pots of gold or you can buy insurance in the form of put options (like on IBIT) on the loss of value of bitcoin or if your cold wallet is stolen you can initiate legal proceedings against the thief.

[] https://www.fdic.gov/news/fact-sheets/crypto-fact-sheet-7-28...

dylan604 8 hours ago | parent [-]

That's good to know. I guess that makes sense though as those swindled by Madoff had to recoup their money through Madoff's estate instead of FDIC.

I guess Hollywood has mislead us yet again in pretty much every bank robbery scene with dialog like "Nobody panic. We're not stealing your money, we are stealing the bank's money".

babypuncher 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The primary selling points of cryptocurrencies are all hinged on the promise that they are decentralized and can't be controlled by a single entity. Without that, all they are is a new version of PayPal or a credit card network that requires many orders of magnitude more compute resources to maintain.

cameldrv 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You shouldn't have a key that controls millions/billions of dollars on a cloud service. It should be on an airgapped laptop that was purchased anonymously, has never been connected to the Internet, and only runs software that has been vetted and loaded onto it via a CD-ROM or some other comparable method.

WatchDog 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If their coin requires a web service to process each transaction, then an offline key isn't very useful.

You can criticize their design, but you can't have a dude burning a CD-ROM every time someone wants some coins.

vlovich123 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Have you actually tried to run a business this way?

mememememememo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

$24m was lost. Setting this up is say $10k in time and materials. Although I would use a rack server.

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cameldrv 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah. Sorry to say, but if you’re going to run a crypto company, and it’s even moderately successful, people are going to try to steal the key. Either you are extremely paranoid, or you’re going to lose a bunch of money, for yourselves or your investors.

jiggawatts 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I have, I've set up "truly offline" root certificate authorities and the like in the past.

Yes, it's a pain to operate, but if the alternative is "the bad guys get all of our money", then it can be worth it.

amarant 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What is the point of stable coins? Like why does anyone buy them?

It seems to me that their initial value is 1usd per token (or some other fiat I guess) and that's also the roof of their value: they kinda guarantee that they won't become more valuable than that.

They are less usable than fiat: more businesses accept fiat than crypto, especially weird and small coins like all stable coins are.

There isn't really a floor to their value, as demonstrated here.

I see plenty of downsides of owning one of these coins, but not a single upside?

Yet people apparently do buy them, so what is the upside? There must surely be something that's good about them?

fintech_eng 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They’re not really meant to go up in value.

The main use is just having something dollar-like that you can move around easily. That’s useful outside the US, but also for plenty of people inside the US depending on what they’re doing; especially businesses that have a hard time getting or keeping normal banking (cough gambling, porn, weed cough).

They’re handy inside crypto since you can move in/out of other assets without touching a bank. And sometimes you can earn yield on them, which is part of the appeal (with the usual “this can blow up” caveats).

Also, there’s a reason every company wants to launch one: if you control the stablecoin, you get the float and the rails. That’s a pretty nice business if people actually use it.

If you already have solid access to USD and don’t care about that flexibility, they’re less compelling.

But yeah, not risk-free at all (depegs, issuer risk, etc). And honestly there probably isn’t much real need for dozens of slightly different stables beyond the business incentives.

amarant 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah, so we're basically battling the prudishness of VISA and MasterCard?

That... Actually makes sense.. Which is a rare feat for crypto!

Saline9515 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Stablecoins present less frictions, have cheaper transaction costs and less intermediaries susceptible to block them. It greatly increases the velocity of money.

amarant 6 hours ago | parent [-]

What utterly horrendous payment solutions are you using that have more friction than crypto?

The ones I use are several orders of magnitude less friction and most are 100% free. The ones that do have a cost (for recipients outside Scandinavia basically) are still way, waay cheaper than crypto transactions.

abigail95 an hour ago | parent [-]

How do you have a payment system that is free? Who pays for the infrastructure?

mememememememo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why have cash? A: as an intermediary between better uses of money (buy cool stuff or invest)

So why use stablecoins and not use cash? When you want to quickly convert to/from a token (60 second not 6 days), but for a short period have a stable value. Or you want to avoid banks.

I.e. trading, gambling, drug deals, money laundering, etc.

stevage 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the idea is if you're attempting to actually use crypto in the way that you would normally use money (ie, to buy/sell stuff) then you don't want the volatility. So in theory, it takes away the volatility while living within the crypto ecosystem.

But obviously...things happen. Just like cash is usually relatively non-volatile, but financial crashes happen.

ezfe 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To take advantage of the ability to send money that way without the volatility

JumpCrisscross 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Let’s be honest, it’s principally for illicit use, a tiny fraction of privacy folks and then a lot of people caught in between who don’t understand yield but want to bet on a volatile asset and have to use a stablecoin to go between. (Because the backers of the volatile thing are doing something illicit.)

Saline9515 9 hours ago | parent [-]

You are a decade late, nowadays stablecoins are commonly used in international trade. Most Alibaba sellers accept USDT nowadays, same for Indian ones.

JumpCrisscross 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> stablecoins are commonly used in international trade

For a rounding error value of "commonly," sure. (Catering to a financially-constrained market is good business. But it, by definition, will never be an important one in the grand scheme of things.)

onemoresoop 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Could this be an inside job?

s_u_d_o 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And what happened next? He mixed those coins? Transformed them into monero?

Jommi 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

first step is to turn them into real crypo like ETH (so its unfreezable)

then probably mix them via different methods

then sell them via OTC-style swap platforms like fixedfloat / changelly etc

mememememememo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Has to. As ETH they are probably still tracable.

tekla 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hacker? The coins were minted with perfectly valid code.

RS-232 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Has to be an inside job. One doesn’t just simultaneously hack into an AWS account, know exactly which key is needed for coin minting, and know internal details necessary to exploit a smart contract. The nature of the hack practically reveals their identity.

FpUser 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>"However, the hacker was only able to siphon off $25 million; the rest was locked into the protocol after system admins got alerted."

"Only" ?!!! Poor thing.

m0llusk 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

stable as in house always wins?

microtherion 10 hours ago | parent [-]

stable as in "close the stable doors after the horse has bolted"

dmitrygr 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Self-Funding Bug Bounties strike again.

KK7NIL 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Sounds like it's working as designed!

consumer451 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh wow, there's another interesting story on that site:

> Trump Administration Likely to Un-ban Bitcoin Mixers, Dept. of Treasury Says They are “Not Unlawful”

https://bfmtimes.com/trump-likely-to-un-ban-bitcoin-mixers/

0x3f 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I thought Tornado Cash was already taken off the OFAC list a year ago.

gverrilla 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

not even news.

outside2344 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is this industry still an industry?

danny_codes 10 hours ago | parent [-]

People love gambling. Get rich quick pitches have always been popular.

Now, as to why the SEC hasn’t regulated crypto out of existence.. I refer you to dementia Don

bigfishrunning 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Joe had 4 years, Barack had 8. The office of the president doesn't seem motivated to regulate crypto

etchalon 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Regulation (laws) are handled by the Congress, not the Executive.

jfengel 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Congress has passed laws to delegate details to the executive departments. Congress lacks the expertise to do any kind of precision in regulation.

etchalon 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Yet they do it all the time. Constantly.

le-mark 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tl;dr another bug in a smart contract exploited, hacker got away clean.

MrDrone 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Not that it matters much, but this summary isn't right. The contract wasn't "exploited." The company's AWS account was compromised, giving the attacker access to a (off-chain) private key.

The contract relied on the key to mint new tokens. The hacker gained access to the key (through AWS) and with it minted as much as they'd like. It is certainly a valid take that a contract that only required the private key to mint an unlimited amount of the token isn't a good one, but you don't exploit someone's front door lock by grabbing the key from under the welcome mat.

AIorNot 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

dang.. stealing money from fools and speculators.

dafelst 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But guys, what you don't understand is that the code IS the contract!!! That means you don't even NEED regulation!!

0x3f 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, people who genuinely believe that don't have any problem with smart contracts getting exploited. Of course there are people who _say_ that because it's financially expedient at the time, then change their tune. But both groups exist and this is not really a gotcha.

protocolture 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I dont mind smart contracts getting battle tested.

I also dont mind the whole chain coming together to vote to reverse the transaction.

I also dont mind a bunch of people being unhappy with that and forking.

0x3f an hour ago | parent [-]

That's fine. I just see it as heuristics at different levels. In the wider context, generally, markets work well, so people should be 'allowed' to do all of this. After all, you can choose not to use ETH if you think the foundation sucks. Whether ETH or the foundation sucks is a technical question given your goals, I suppose, rather than a moral one.

In a western legal framework you might argue promissory estoppel if the foundation made certain statements about it, but if you take the libertarian code-is-law stance and you want to be consistent then you probably should have researched exactly what was possible at that level before investing.

So all-in-all, seems fine to me.

MrDrone 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The contract code said, "if you have a valid (off-chain) private key, you can mint tokens." The hacker gained access to their AWS account and ultimately their keys.

While I am happy to celebrate dumb crypto stuff, this isn't a situation where someone's code was "exploited." Their code was stupid, relying only on an off-chain private key to allow the minting of tokens. Their security was just also bad.

Panzer04 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why does everything have to be written by an AI?