| ▲ | colordrops 11 hours ago |
| Exactly. Stablecoins make zero sense. |
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| ▲ | pants2 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Unbacked stablecoins like USR make no sense - but USDC is one of the few real uses that crypto has. |
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| ▲ | Jommi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | USR is not unbacked. You have a severe misunderstanding of the whole situation if you say that. | | |
| ▲ | oersted 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | To be fair, the article itself says "unbacked" right upfront: > an attacker was able to mint tens of millions of Resolv’s unbacked stablecoins (USR) and extract roughly $23 million in value | | |
| ▲ | gwd an hour ago | parent [-] | | If I understand the situation properly, the system is only supposed to mint backed stable-coins; the hack resulted in unbacked ones. |
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| ▲ | mememememememo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Decentralized. Stable. Pick one. | | |
| ▲ | Jommi 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Decentralized
> the transfer of authority, decision-making, or operational functions away from a central authority to smaller, local, or distributed nodes, systems, or entities DAI is decentralized and stable |
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| ▲ | SubNoize 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Micro transactions? Giving agents access to money ? |
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| ▲ | boringg 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Unless you are also trying to prop up the us government by buying treasuries (us based stable coins) |
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| ▲ | rchaud 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Most Treasuries are held by US banks, investment firms and municipalities. I'm pretty sure those firms hold a good chunk of global stablecoin volume, given the nonexistent regulation of crypto in the US relative to other countries. |
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| ▲ | koakuma-chan 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| you can send them around easily without having to deal with bullshit payment systems |
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| ▲ | snypher 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No-one in the real world wants to be paid with a $USR. Most everyone wants a cashapp/zelle/PayPal/wire transfer. The bullshit payment systems gained ground on crypto while crypto became more difficult/less usable | | |
| ▲ | lagniappe 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | PYUSD is run by PayPal afaik. | |
| ▲ | koakuma-chan 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't know what USR is, but I would prefer to be paid in USDT or USC if Wealthsimple supported it as deposit method. When I withdraw, I do Deel -> Wise -> Interac e-Transfer -> Bank -> Interac e-Transfer -> Wealthsimple. This is incredibly stupid and I am forced to buy Canadian dollars. For groceries or electronics, you can buy gift cards using crypto. | |
| ▲ | mothballed 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you track the FATFs crushing of bearer bonds, bearer notes, non-KYC/non-AML offshore banking, and Hawala it almost perfectly tracks with the rise of crypto. |
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| ▲ | troad 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | But you do have to deal with bullshit payment systems. I can't receive stablecoins in my regular bank account, I'd have to set up some crypto nonsense on DankRocketBets or whatever for it to even work. Why would I do this when I can already receive actual USD without any extra ceremony? Stablecoins are a solution in search of a problem. | | |
| ▲ | kevin_thibedeau 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The problem presents itself when you have dirty money to launder. It isn't a product for non-criminals but they have to convince enough gullible people to participate and blend in with them. | |
| ▲ | Jommi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | you can receive. you just need to set it up. there are like 50 (many YC) startups fixing this today trying to offer your the best and cheapest service | |
| ▲ | rossjudson 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Crypto is how you can invest in crime without doing crime. | |
| ▲ | koakuma-chan 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If your employer does direct deposit of USD into your USD bank account, you don't need stable coins. This is not the case for most people outside of the U.S. | | |
| ▲ | troad 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am outside the US. Many of my assets are in USD and USD-denominated securities. I've never touched a stablecoin. Waiting to hear what "most people outside the US" are supposed to need those stablecoins for. | | |
| ▲ | mothballed 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Most people don't realize they're inside a plexiglass shielded financial jail until they try to do something like wiring money for some legal activity in someplace spicy or on the FATF grey list. If you fall into the middle bands of uses, or in the upper class that can just bend or make the rules, then the financial system is well oiled and it looks like the people questioning it are just cranks. It's true that a lot of those in the outer bands are criminals but others are things like "buying a truck to build an orphanage for starving Iraqi children just outside of terrorist territory" or "wanted an investment visa in some corrupt island paradise and as it turns out no bank will open up account for purposes of 'international wires to the Comoros' " | | |
| ▲ | troad 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Oh yeah, "most people outside the US" are looking to build orphanages in deeply sanctioned war zones. How could I have forgotten. Come on now, that's absurd. If this is your best use case for stablecoins - groping for concocted scenarios to rationalise their existence
- I stand by what I said earlier: they're a solution in search of a problem. | | |
| ▲ | mothballed 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | One of the two is very close to something that actually happened to me. I tried to open up a bank account for paying immigration related costs to a particular shithole country, which is both legal and was part of a fully legal endeavor, but no bank would do it. The other example is somewhat concocted but rooted in the time I spent in Iraq and noting almost all transactions are performed outside the banking system, in part because banking is inaccessible and people often don't have access to KYC documents. It's really not absurd. As soon as you start trying to do anything interesting the KYC/AML burdens get greater until eventually you realize the compliance officers are just trying to get you to go away (or just deny you outright), get interesting enough and then suddenly despite fully complying with the law you find the walls are closed around you. Most people never find out because they never have occasion to try, they do a bunch of boring domestic transactions plus maybe some international trade with a few well known entities, then they just shout people are making up absurdities. | | |
| ▲ | troad 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Clearly your situation of trying to obtain residency in the Comoros by investment would raise eyebrows at banks whose job it is to monitor tax compliance. I don't think you're describing an everyman kind of scenario. I also don't entirely understand why you're even rationalising the purpose of the account to the bank. Can't you just open an account for any purpose? It takes me five minutes to open an account online, and I've never once been asked to explain or justify anything (in many decades). I use my accounts robustly, including for international transfers (I've lived on two continents in the last four years). I even once paid for a trip to North Korea out of an ordinary bank account. My bank never batted an eye. Maybe you're just dealing with a bad bank, or an over-regulated banking system (Europe?). You realise you can walk into any US bank right now and they'll just open an account for you with nothing more than some accurate ID? And the same holds for much of the rest of the world? The problem you're trying to solve is already solved. >> The other example is somewhat concocted but rooted in the time I spent in Iraq and noting almost all transactions are performed outside the banking system, in part because banking is inaccessible and people often don't have access to KYC documents. Unsophisticated semi-literate farmers are the last demographic anyone is reasonably expecting to open their crypto brokerage accounts and start trading synthetic USD derivatives. These are just not realistic scenarios. This is what people say when they rack their brains trying to come up with some reason stablecoins might be useful. I feel like you're just confirming that they're a solution in search of a problem. | | |
| ▲ | lmm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > You realise you can walk into any US bank right now and they'll just open an account for you with nothing more than some accurate ID? There's an ocean in the way, not to mention how risky visiting looks right now. I changed my name recently and the one US bank that I managed to get an account with (so that US clients can pay me without weirdness) won't accept any kind of documentation without going there in person (and I'm not sure I can provide anything they'll accept even if I did go there in person). What now? | |
| ▲ | mothballed 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Pick an FATF grey list country that isn't sanctioned by your country. Then try to wire money there. Let me know how it goes and whether you really aren't asked to explain anything. | | |
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| ▲ | tptacek 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This comment isn't really beating the rap that the primary purpose of stablecoins is to facilitate crime. |
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| ▲ | codebje 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Perhaps you meant: stablecoins are a scam in search of a victim. |
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| ▲ | kogasa240p 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Monero is better for that task. | |
| ▲ | bigfishrunning 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Until it becomes another bullshit payment system |
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| ▲ | Saline9515 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Stablecoins enable cash-like (instantly redeemable and verifiable) payments for large amounts, for almost free. In EU countries, you can't now buy a car with cash. You have to buy a bearer's check from your bank, which is expensive, requires that both parties have a brick and mortar bank, and doesn't work cross-border. Stablecoins solve this. |
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| ▲ | Ekaros 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It was good while ago, but last time I bought a car I just did bank transfer. SEPA transfers are entirely free. Was kinda amazed that they just handed me keys when I showed them the receipt from my own online bank... | | |
| ▲ | fc417fc802 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's a calculated risk. They know the VIN number and I assume made a copy of your photo ID. |
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| ▲ | stevage 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How do stablecoins fit in here? You can buy a car with crypto but not cash? |
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