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Silver plunges 30% in worst day since 1980, gold tumbles(cnbc.com)
144 points by pera 3 hours ago | 109 comments
ilamont 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Coincidentally, late this morning I went to one of those traveling roadshow things where they purchase precious metals, bringing along a childhood coin collection that I wanted to turn into cash.

I started with a single 1 ounce silver medallion and was given a quote for $80. When I had checked the silver price earlier this morning it was above 115.

I questioned the buyer about the spread and he said the spot price was down, and the smelters were backed up so that was their best offer.

I brought out some other silver coins, specifically liberty head and Morgan dollars. He looked at the app on his phone and said “hold on I gave you the wrong price,” and then said “I’ll give you $35 for each of them,” including the pure 1 oz silver medallion.

I said no thank you and left, miffed, thinking he was jerking me around.

I didn’t realize the price of silver was collapsing.

MetricT 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Gold has merely mean-reverted, not "crashed". Some profit-taking since gold got a bit ahead of itself.

If gold continues growing at the same rate as the last 6 months, it will take gold all of a month and a half to get back to where it was.

https://i.imgur.com/bRAy1FB.png

Now, gold might not continue growing, but D.C. hasn't fixed its problems that are causing gold to rise, so I do have a degree of confidence that it will recover quickly.

slashdev 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This sounds awful, silver down 30%, gold down 11%, but it just brings them back to the 50 day moving average. It doesn't even break the bull trend.

Next week we'll find out if this was a buy on dip opportunity or if it marks a multi-year top in precious metals and the start of a deeper correction and real technical damage.

One day that will happen and the trend will reverse, but it's always more probable that a trend continues.

paxys 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the "dump" part of pump and dump. TikTok influencers have been pushing the gold & silver rally for weeks now, and it was inevitable that people at the top would eventually cash out.

onlyrealcuzzo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Most of the influencers aren't even in on the investment, they just get paid to pump, and a lot of them don't even get paid, they just do it for the eye balls.

People want to get rich quick.

There's going to be a never ending list of people that will tell them how - just so they can get useless karma points on Social Media, even if they don't make any money, and just convince you to lose your money.

1970-01-01 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Too early to tell. They're both up since 6 months ago. Could be another one of those flash crash events. Buckle up!

IshKebab 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They're both up since like 8 days ago. This is one of those classic bullshit "dramatic change if you only look at today!!" stories.

AnimalMuppet an hour ago | parent [-]

True, but 30% is a pretty dramatic change for one day. If you look at the history of the silver price - go back as far as you like - you won't find many days when it moves 30% in either direction.

Is it the beginning of a longer-term down? I have no idea.

losvedir 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

It reminds me of my days looking at biotech stocks. You'd have a small company stake their whole financial future on the outcome of a clinical trial, to know whether their drug works or not. Leading up to the release of the results, the price would veer this way or that based on tidbits cleaned from doctors involved in the trials or whatever, but the stock would mostly be in a superposition of the two universes, one where it succeeds and one where it fails (or more mundanely: the probability weighted average of the price that the stock would be in each one). Then the results would come out and the universes would collapse to the "works" or "doesn't work" one and the stock would jump 30% or crater 50% or whatever.

I haven't been following this gold and silver saga, but it feels like a similar situation where there were two possible Fed appointees who would have vastly different impacts on the price of the metals. Then the announcement comes and the price found the world where that was the nominee and not the other guy.

resters an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Gold reverted to the price it was wait for it five days ago. What actually happened was that Trump was forced/pressured to pick Warsh because prices were spiking in anticipation of how Trump's preferred pick would impact global finance.

But anyone who thinks Trump won't get his way and control the Fed to create hyper-inflation is living in a fantasy world that I wish were our actual reality.

We live in a world where Trump launched a criminal investigation against Powell. This is not someone who somehow learned his lesson in the last five days.

The irony is that if Trump understood how markets perceive threats to Fed independence, he'd try to influence rates behind closed doors and not make a public spectacle of his attempt to undermine Fed independence!

01100011 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Fed independence is damaged but it was never as independent as it should have been.

No one since Volcker has been a real hawk. It hasn't led to hyperinflation, just a continual debasement that has served many purposes.

rcv 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I have no idea about his credentials or suitability for the job, but Warsh is the son in law of Trump's buddy Ronald Lauder. I get the feeling he's not picking people he doesn't think he can control.

ProjectArcturis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This was an inevitable correction. Gold and silver had gone parabolic for the past month. Nothing goes straight up. This takes the gold price all the way back to where it was last week.

Honestly, I don't think Warsh's appointment had much to do with it.

roenxi 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

Doesn't this reset the silver price to where it was at the start of the month? This is hardly news, people got a bit over-excited in January. The spike is more newsworthy than the fall, and neither are all that interesting.

Loughla 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

Silver was around 1/3 of the current price a year ago. Calling this a crash is a bit much. If it hits $20 then it's a crash.

Side note and completely unrelated, but I got my kid a 10 oz .50 caliber silver bullet last year and kicked myself for spending that much on a gag gift (like $300). . . . Should have bought a box of them.

int32_64 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Crypto markets won in the sense that every single asset class can somehow trade like a memecoin now.

Loughla 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

The hype around physical silver has been astounding in 2025 and so far in 2026.

I have nothing to back this up, but I believe a group of investors learned from cryptobros just how easy it is to pump and dump with social media and scare tactics, and here we are. Somebody please correct me.

Ekaros 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

I might be cynic and consider that other side in media have no marketable skills and other side is there just to get their name out so they can find a few suckers to give them money manage. Or they have something to sell like courses and seminars. Or it is free publicity for them. Pandering to various fields is likely profitable, be it cryptobros, goldbugs, silverstackers, hard money advocates, doomsday preppers, permabears or those believing in astrology I mean technical analysis...

WalterBright 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Washington state, as part of their frenzy of tax increases, decided that gold and silver bullion will be subject to the sales tax. Poof! There goes any point in investing in gold and silver. (Collector coins, too.)

AlotOfReading an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The way you've written it sounds like taxing unmonetized bullion is insane overreach, but is it? They're just treating them the same as any other commodities. I can understand if you're opposed to sales taxes generally, but the only reason to single out bullion for an exception I can see is historic norms.

They're also applying a tax to monetized bullion. That's more more like taxing currency exchanges and it's a bit weird since currency exchanges are normally taxed on appreciation.

nerdsniper an hour ago | parent | next [-]

We do not charge sales tax when you exchange Dollars for Euros. Bullion advocates argue that exchanging dollars for physical gold is a currency exchange rather than a consumption purchase.

If you were to turn that bullion into an actual product like jewelry, then it would be taxed.

When a firm with tank capacity takes delivery of an oil contract they secured via the CBRE, do they pay sales tax on that? No, because it’s intended for resale.

Unmonetized gold bullion is similarly generally intended for resale. Generally no one is “consuming” gold bullion.

AlotOfReading an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Currency exchanges are exactly why I differentiated between monetized and unmonetized bullion. I don't see why going to Costco and buying a bar of gold is fundamentally different than buying the same weight of gold jewelry. That jewelry may very well be intended for resale the same way.

nerdsniper 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

Whereas to me, it's wild that thousands of years of gold bullion trade as a form of currency exchange is supplanted basically overnight and now only "gold but only on paper" would be considered the only form of real gold currency.

"Monetized" gold has only existed for 50 years since gold futures started being offered in 1972. But the real "retail era" of "gold but only on paper" started just ~20 years ago with gold ETF's in 2003 (Australia) and 2004 (USA). So in just 20 years, we're now arguing that the norm from the past 3,000 years of gold trade is completely invalidated.

That said, you're not completely out of line with the views of the USA federal government. Gold has fascinating history of regulation. There was the 1933 total ban on private ownership when U.S. citizens were given until May 1, 1933, to surrender all gold coins and bullion. That lasted until 1974. Or that gold bullion is not subject to FinCEN Form 105 (currency) but rather CBP Form 6059B (goods).

kristjansson 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Bullion advocates argue that exchanging dollars for physical gold is a currency exchange rather than a consumption purchase.

One can argue that until they're blue, but it'd still be wrong. Gold is a commodity, and if you're buying it shell-packed at Costco you probably should be paying sales tax on it.

bwestergard an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

"Generally no one is “consuming” gold bullion."

Huh? Gold bullion is an input to hundreds of industrial processes. If it weren't, why would gold have any value?

ta9000 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Why would gold, something that’s had value for thousands of years prior to the Industrial Revolution, have any value?

nerdsniper an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

That's not consumption as it applies to sales tax rules. In almost every jurisdiction, raw materials and inventory purchased for resale or industrial processing are exempt from sales tax.

Ekaros 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Which is why Value added tax is superior system. Though gold is in some jurisdictions treated different when it is considered investment. But for rest it is like any other metal.

outside1234 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Washington State will do anything to avoid just having an income tax.

roenxi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In English-speaking countries, we have a system that prints money and gives it to asset owners. Gold is still an asset, so buying it will still let people participate in that system. Increasing taxes by whatever (I'll assume 10%) is material but it doesn't remove any point, just makes it a bit less attractive. It could easily be a less risky play than investing in US bonds given that they can't pay them back in real terms.

15155 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Buy and keep it elsewhere? Buy futures?

ortusdux an hour ago | parent [-]

The law covers "monetized bullion" - bars and coins -https://dor.wa.gov/education/industry-guides/jewelry-stores/...

SilverElfin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Taxing bullion is absurd - it’s not a product but more like currency or a placeholder of money you already have. What other taxes are they passing when you say “frenzy”?

jfengel an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Why is it more like a currency than any other object? It's not negotiable currency or legal tender.

People buy it and sell it. I don't see any difference between bullion, iron ore, frozen concentrated orange juice, and Pokemon cards. You buy a thing, you pay the sales tax.

its_ethan an hour ago | parent [-]

Well it's more like a currency than any other object because it has been used historically to either a) be the currency, or b) back the currency. Sure that's not true today in the United States, but like, it's obviously different than frozen concentrated orange juice... can we not at least agree on that pretty tame assumption? Or is this just some semantics race to non-meaning?

Iron ore is similar physically, but it's really just a raw input material/ingredient used for heavy industrial manufacturing and production, it's never been intended to be an appreciating asset/hedge against inflation.

I'm unfamiliar with whatever tax is being referred to in this specific comment thread, but I'd be curious how something like $SIVR is handled, considering it's backed by actual silver in vaults. That could lead to some unintended consequences if the investment plans of a lot of money suddenly changes how it's being allocated.

quickthrowman 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Iron ore is similar physically, but it's really just a raw input material/ingredient used for heavy industrial manufacturing and production, it's never been intended to be an appreciating asset/hedge against inflation, not any intrinsic property of gold itself.

Gold is not intended to be an asset/hedge against inflation either. Market participants believe that gold has value and that it can hedge against inflation. The belief is what gives life to gold being as a hedge against inflation.

Gold is not an asset, it’s a commodity, an industrial input, and material for jewelry, and for some reason I fail to understand, people buy and hold it because they believe it is an asset that will appreciate in value, but it’s just an elementary metal that is useful for being easy to work with (jewelry) and because it doesn’t oxidize. It does not generate income, you can’t eat it, and in a post-apocalyptic scenario, it’s useless. I suppose the density of gold would allow some very small, very high mass slingshot balls you could defend yourself against people with?

robotresearcher an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Gold hasn't been money since 1971.

loglog 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wealth tax is the best type of tax, because it incentivizes productive activities against speculation. It should be levied on a continuous basis rather than on transaction basis though, which is just basic numerical analysis.

15155 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary/?BillNumber=1386&Year=202...

dmos62 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Is taxing investment absurd?

pfannkuchen an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This investment is now taxed more than other types of investment. Is sales tax charged when you buy stock? Should it be?

quickthrowman 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In physical metals that don’t generate income or induce further economic activity, I don’t believe so. What good does a hunk of gold sitting in a safe do for the economy?

kyboren an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

"Tax what you want less of."

Do you want less investment?

ahtihn an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Why would you want to encourage investment in gold?

mapontosevenths an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Gold is not an investment. It takes otherwise productive capital out of the economy and produces nothing. It's functionally no different than stuffing your money in a mattress.

its_ethan an hour ago | parent | next [-]

What is it that you're arguing for then? That there be some entity that gets to decide what is and isn't a productive use of all of our excess money? Who gets to decide what's excess? Who gets to decide what is and isn't a productive use of the money?

How is this any different than buying a house? Buying a house that's already been built is pretty damn close to the same thing as buying gold. No new "work" is being done into the economy, you're just exchanging dollars for an asset that will likely appreciate a bit faster than inflation but less than $SPY.

The person you bought it from can do something else with that money, sure, but that's also true of the other person in your transaction to buy gold.

Maybe you'll say a house has more utility than bars of gold, but all of this at the end of the day, seems to come down to your specific views and judgements of what it means for capital to be used productively. So to circle back to the beginning, what is it you're advocating for here? That because you don't see gold as a low risk hedge against inflation as being "productive" it should face more taxes to incentivize it not happening?

freedomben 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Buying a house that's already been built is pretty damn close to the same thing as buying gold. No new "work" is being done into the economy, you're just exchanging dollars for an asset that will likely appreciate a bit faster than inflation but less than $SPY.

I mostly agree with you, but I don't think the house comparison is good. Houses require lots of maintenance, and to hold their value (comparable to other houses) they often need remodeling every decade or so. If instead of houses we just said "land" then I think the comparison would hold up more.

michaelmrose 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You either maintain the house for others use and extract rent or live in it. This is productive.

If you are hoarding an unused house we should heavily tax that to make it unreasonable to do so.

mapontosevenths 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

No, im not arguing that it should be illegal. Im just saying, as Warren Buffet before me did, that its not an investment.

It relies on the greater fool theory to produce excess returns. It is bad for the economy when money idles in non productive speculative assets.

amanaplanacanal 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

The money didn't disappear, it just changed hands.

kajecounterhack an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It has utility though: unlike the dollars in your mattress, it can't be printed into oblivion by your central bank. It is relatively portable, and people have flocked to it as a store of value especially during periods of socioeconomic instability when assets are going down and gov't spending is going up. It's tradeable for fiat in any country, so it allows you to bring value along if you relocate.

Its price reflects that utility and like any modern asset, a lot of speculation. You can speculate on whether it's more or less useful given current events -- nothing wrong with speculating that it is only going to be increasingly useful.

mapontosevenths an hour ago | parent [-]

You're right that it has utility, but being fungible doesnt imply that it is automatically an investment.

Speculation is not the same as investment, and it is still completely non-productive.

kajecounterhack 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Agree it doesn't generate wealth. It's explicitly a store of wealth.

Investment is a weird term because most people would consider keeping cash or cash equivalents (gold) to be investments, even if they don't generate wealth. Cash is also an opinion, in terms of the market.

michaelmrose 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

An investment creates a return

laurencerowe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a win for society if the money is instead invested into something productive!

oraphalous an hour ago | parent | next [-]

But it's a loss if it's forced into risky investments that aren't productive.

jkhdigital an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People choose to hold non-yield-bearing assets when they believe the returns offered by current investment opportunities are not sufficient to justify the risks.

It is the miracle of modern capital markets that enables almost anyone to quickly and easily invest their savings in productive assets, but of course capital markets aren’t perfect. The availability of “none of the above” options (like gold) that remove savings from the pool of active investment capital is the essential feedback loop that balances risk and return.

AlotOfReading 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

Modern capital markets also have non-yield-bearing assets like gold ETFs. The only practical difference is a tiny expense ratio and more liquidity.

WalterBright 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I never invested in gold because it is not productive. I don't have any money, either (other than pocket money), because I've invested all of it.

Gold is usually invested in as a hedge against inflation. It's not really the gold that goes up and down in value, it's the dollar that goes down and up.

pfannkuchen an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is an oversimplification IMO. There are higher order effects on the price of gold that makes it not directly related to the value of the dollar.

I'm pointing this out because I have seen a lot of sentiment recently about how the dollar is crashing, just look at the price of gold. Yes, the dollar is decreasing in value faster than usual, but it also isn't crashing in the way that gold is spiking.

This sentiment I think drives speculative gold demand, from standard speculative investing FOMO as well as from emotionally driven inflation fear well beyond what is realistic. The same thing happens to the stock market.

taneq 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Wouldn’t gold be spiking in proportion to the market’s predicted future value of the dollar, rather than its current value? If the market’s paying attention you’d expect its gold valuation to lead the actual inflation numbers.

fjordofnorway an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Given that the gold and the dollar are not productive I think one is betting that society is less productive than inflation when one invests in gold and that one will need to pay a ransom over a long weekend when one holds dollars.

SantalBlush an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

>Poof! There goes any point in investing in gold and silver.

This is not how taxes work at all, my guy. There is a thing called tax elasticity, which is a measure of the proportional change in buying/selling to change in taxation. If you want to have a good-faith discussion about taxes, at least acknowledge that these measures exist instead of pretending that any degree of taxation makes economic activity go "Poof!". It's intellectually dishonest and is not useful conversation.

daedrdev 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Silver has plenty of industrial uses. Very little has changed in industry to cause demand or supply shifts to match the massive price swings. Thus a lot of this is probably meme investors gambling

fdr an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Fun fact about silver, besides its heavy industrial footprint, which you mentioned: the supply is dominated by Mexico. There have been some, uh, erratic words about Mexico from the people in the position to affect trade policy and foreign policy.

xingped an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

China decided to subject silver to export controls similar to rare earth metals. That's one of the big reasons for the silver growth.

anabab an hour ago | parent [-]

But why is silver with export restrictions (Shanghai) trading above silver without said restrictions?

pcurve 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We knew the correction was coming, but I don't think anyone expected the 30% move in one day.

geraldwhen 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Probably the opposite. Corrections happen quickly and all at once, somewhat similar to growth.

It would be more surprising if the 30% drop was spread out over a month.

WalterBright 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

rolph 2 hours ago | parent [-]

maybe, but almost everyone will see the hot iron

delaminator 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

George Gammon did, 24 hours beforehand

I cashed out :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k9UqNA2l_4

oytis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is there any good explanation for what is happening with gold prices long-term? If you look at 5-10 year charts it was pretty stable and started to look like NVIDIA stocks since 2023.

g-mork an hour ago | parent | next [-]

https://robinjbrooks.substack.com/p/everything-you-need-to-k...

hahahahhaah 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Gold is now up 50 percent since August 2

SP500 with reinvestment for comparison is 72%

NVidia without reinvestment 900%

andrewpedelty an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This article does a reasonable job of laying out some of the drivers:

https://markets.financialcontent.com/stocks/article/marketmi...

tim333 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It still up an awful lot from the start of 2025. From about 30 up to 115 and down to 85.

nitwit005 an hour ago | parent [-]

Yep, I expect a bunch of people to buy at this price, hoping it's the bottom, but it still has plenty of room to fall.

hd4 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fair to assume trillions of the physical metal weren't simultaneously dumped onto the market in the past day; this is entirely ETF driven therefore it's also safe to assume there is manipulation taking place to drive the price down.

What I don't understand is why, when there appear to be signs of a supply shortage, market forces appear to want to drive the price down and cause any remaining inventory to flow towards China where there is a $30~/oz arbitrage to be made.

lordnacho 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If memory serves, 1980 was the time of the silver corner by a couple of brothers.

kamarg 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Hunt brothers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday

scandox 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The Bunkers. My father told me the story many times as a child and he warned me sternly never to buy Silver. There's always more Silver he said. People will be dredging it out of old cupboards.

TeaBrain 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

The Hunts. One of them was Nelson Bunker.

hahahahhaah 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How do people feel about gold? To me it is purely speculative vs. index funds. If I were rich mabe have a bit of gold for the bunker next to the long life tinned gourmet meals. Better than fiat but not as good as company investments.

ProjectArcturis 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think gold will keep going up over the next few years, because many central banks are converting from dollar reserves to gold. That means very large demand which is mostly price-insensitive.

thrawa8387336 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

*Paper silver. The gap widens

vr46 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What goes up quickly comes down quickly?

At least we can afford nice things again

sparrish an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It'll recover that 30%+ within a week or two.

Neywiny 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

While not unexpected, the numbers still say that if you bought silver before Trump (which given history of metals countering uncertainty and the promised causes of uncertainty was a smart move), you're making a solid > doubling even now. For me, though, who gets too anxious when trying to attempt such things and ends up ruining it, it'll just go on the list of regrets like when I thought to but didn't invest in zoom once we started using it in 2020.

kleiba an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure, but compare the price of silver to a year ago...

jmyeet 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This isn't a simple correction. I've been following this for a couple of months and there's a lot going on. I suspect this isn't over. It's noteworthy that the year 1980 because that was when the Hunt brothers tried to corner the silver market. It's often used as an example of the market correcting itself. It's actually a better example of how the exchanges broke the Hunt brothers to bail out the banks.

The key event that caused the collapse is sometimes called Silver Thursday [1]. The exchange changed the liquidity rules, forcing a margin call the Hunt brothers couldn't make, forcing a selloff. This was arguably to bail out banks with large short positions in silver.

Well, pretty much the exact same thing happened this week when COMEX massively increased the margin requirements [2]. It's worth noting that the market is in a state called "backwardation" where the spot prices are higher than future prices. Refiners aren't buying silver, even at the inflated spot price, because of price risk. But also, the COMEX spot price is increasingly being viewed as "fake" because foreign exchanges are paying significantly more for physical silver thna the paper COMEX price [3].

Basically, this whole thing looks like another GameStop ie a short squeeze. There's not enouugh physical silver to meet contract demands. There's like 300oz of futures silver contracts per 1oz of physical silver.

If you followed the original GameStop short squeeze, the price tumbled there too but didn't solve the short squeeze. You even have exchanges closing people's options positions (eg RobinHood) despite them being in the money.

Banks still need to cover their significant short positions and it really looks like the exchanges are trying to crash the silver market to do it.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday

[2]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-28/cme-raise...

[3]: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4861917-why-silver-prices-i...

pmnerd 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Do me a favor and look at how many CME Notices were issued raising margin requirements for precious metals in the past year. Hint: They do this all the time to account for market volatility and the contract value. If a contract increases by 10% margin is not static. CME raised margin requirements several times in the last month to little market effect.

Silver crashed because China halted trading on the only public silver and gold ETFs Friday. There are videos of HK police arresting guys freaking out because they couldn't cash out beforehand: Apparently the fund had been operating as some kind of pyramid scheme and was not solvent at those prices.

Also on Friday, China urged investors to "invest responsibly" or some such (source: FT) and froze a bunch of suspicious accounts. I believe those accounts were behind the pump and dump social media ("AI Asian Guy" videos on Youtube, investment subreddit spam) with the help of plenty of useful idiots.

There's a ton of good coverage of the precious metals run up in FT this past week.

alunchbox 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the answer; Diamond hands baby

dsolo777 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

so how long do you think will this play out? asking as a concerned silver and gold holder lol

AnimalMuppet an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think that a real bubble requires margin. It's not just that people are buying because the price is going up, it's that people are buying with borrowed money because the price is going up.

That ends badly. It ends badly for the lenders. So when it starts to look like that's what's happening, a perfectly reasonable response is to change the margin requirements. When the circumstances are normal, use the normal margin requirements. But when the circumstances are abnormal, of course they should adjust.

deadbabe an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A friend had taken out a second mortgage to buy a ton of silver at the highs, they are not doing good. His wife doesn’t know.

pfannkuchen an hour ago | parent [-]

Top is in if true.

rvz 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

Exactly.

sharadov an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trump announces Warsh and this happens. Can't be a coincidence.

Incidentally Warsh's father in law is billionaire Ronald Lauder who is trying to get Trump to capture Greenland. Sounds like father-in-law got him the role.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/15/ronald-laude...

seydor 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wouldn't even say this is interesting

1970-01-01 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's looks like a flash crash. Somewhat rare, and from an algorithm perspective it's interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_crash

empiricus 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This looks like an IQ test, but for who?

Ekaros 2 hours ago | parent [-]

For those on wrong side of options contracts expiring? I would guess that this is paper silver being manipulated.

unsupp0rted 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Indeed. There’s a large delta between paper silver and Shanghai physical silver prices right now.

ProjectArcturis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

China only has one silver fund (SLV equivalent), and it stopped creating new shares. So the existing shares trade at a large premium to the value of the underlying metal. Is that the "Shanghai physical" price you're talking about?

kgwgk 2 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.shfe.com.cn/eng/Market/Futures/Metal/ag_f/

nozzlegear an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At least there's still money in the speculative Pokemon card market!

/s

Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I knew that Silver prices were going all time high but I had still assumed that Silver (and to that extent Gold) were stable.

Looks like atleast for Silver, that gets completely thrown out of the window now for some time.

I also thought Gold was a safe haven but I checked and it seems that it lost (10%?)-ish as well.

I have some complex thoughts and reasonings but I really liked Gold as an idea but looks like it is vulnerable to volatility at times too.

I used to think that maybe banks can have gold itself and gold usually does or ~ equal to inflation itself rise and I mean theoretically net I think even this year it does definitely beat Inflation (I mean it grew double I guess in 1 year) but for banking concerns especially supposing someone got money this time and let's hypothetically assume they get into this gold bank, then its still volatile & they could've lost 10% and then tried to withdraw money and more short squeeze so the idea has a major flaw after this incident.

I wonder how swiss franc is doing. I looked at it and it looks like its doing fine (1% down but I do feel like that's really okay) given how Swiss franc (seeing another cnbc article or yahoo finance ig) grew what 13-14%

Although the problem with people holding swiss franc is that when I searched swiss franc I found this article (from CNBC itself) which actually shows how a strong swiss franc might be/is bad for swiss economy

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/28/swiss-franc-us-dollar-price-...

I do wonder, then what's the ideal solution of "safety"

I am scratching a lot of options now & I am either thinking US inflation protected assets or World Equity are the only two stable/(really valuable) because the whole essense of value behind gold/silver was its stability which especially for silver feels broken but gold isn't that far behind either.

Although atleast in my original context of banking, I later came to know about the concept of narrow banking and how there was a bank which actually wanted to invest in TIPS itself but that was blocked off by the feds for many reason.

I do feel like TIPS might protect inflation protection but they don't really protect the erosion of wealth because I feel like (I am not sure I can be wrong I usually am) but the pricing of houses and other assets are rising higher than inflation rises & inflation itself can vary depending (so housing rent inflation might be higher) & depending on your lifestyle. Maybe TIPS really wouldn't be able to help you to say.. save to get house or really have you give the ability for money to do what it actually does. To me the idea of inflation includes buying houses too so if say someone with some salary was able to buy a house 20 years ago then imo when I consider inflation protection or investing or anything in general, I expect that my wealth could be able to buy me things ~generally at a good amount & that's the point of good investing to get good returns at understandable/ your own risk profile.

I guess now I am personally more inclined towards world index funds in general I guess as a form of real stability where value gains are still backed by real gains (Something which I feel is core philosophy of the bogle philosphy & the reason why people should invest in first place)

I may have gotten a bit off topic here but coming on the point again here about Silver.

Would this be considered as (expected?) or is it a black swan event especially considering the 30% fall off.

From the headline, it feels like a black swan event (especially when they compare it to 1980's) but I am curious to know what others think too. I do feel like these black swan events really shift how we think tho & we can have it in our better judgement for future ig imo.

AnimalMuppet an hour ago | parent [-]

"Safe haven" and "lost 10% in one day (that it gained the previous week)" are not contradictory. "Safe haven" is "will retain value even if the dollar becomes worthless".