| ▲ | paxys 8 hours ago |
| This is the "dump" part of pump and dump. TikTok influencers have been pushing the gold & silver rally for weeks now, and it was inevitable that people at the top would eventually cash out. |
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| ▲ | onlyrealcuzzo 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Most of the influencers aren't even in on the investment, they just get paid to pump, and a lot of them don't even get paid, they just do it for the eye balls. People want to get rich quick. There's going to be a never ending list of people that will tell them how - just so they can get useless karma points on Social Media, even if they don't make any money, and just convince you to lose your money. |
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| ▲ | 1970-01-01 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Too early to tell. They're both up since 6 months ago. Could be another one of those flash crash events. Buckle up! |
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| ▲ | IshKebab 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | They're both up since like 8 days ago. This is one of those classic bullshit "dramatic change if you only look at today!!" stories. | | |
| ▲ | AnimalMuppet 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | True, but 30% is a pretty dramatic change for one day. If you look at the history of the silver price - go back as far as you like - you won't find many days when it moves 30% in either direction. Is it the beginning of a longer-term down? I have no idea. | | |
| ▲ | losvedir 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | It reminds me of my days looking at biotech stocks. You'd have a small company stake their whole financial future on the outcome of a clinical trial, to know whether their drug works or not. Leading up to the release of the results, the price would veer this way or that based on tidbits cleaned from doctors involved in the trials or whatever, but the stock would mostly be in a superposition of the two universes, one where it succeeds and one where it fails (or more mundanely: the probability weighted average of the price that the stock would be in each one). Then the results would come out and the universes would collapse to the "works" or "doesn't work" one and the stock would jump 30% or crater 50% or whatever. I haven't been following this gold and silver saga, but it feels like a similar situation where there were two possible Fed appointees who would have vastly different impacts on the price of the metals. Then the announcement comes and the price found the world where that was the nominee and not the other guy. | | |
| ▲ | lazide 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Considering the array of behaviors exhibited by the president recently, it wouldn’t be entirely unlikely to nominate Alex Jones, eh? |
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| ▲ | resters 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Gold reverted to the price it was wait for it five days ago. What actually happened was that Trump was forced/pressured to pick Warsh because prices were spiking in anticipation of how Trump's preferred pick would impact global finance. But anyone who thinks Trump won't get his way and control the Fed to create hyper-inflation is living in a fantasy world that I wish were our actual reality. We live in a world where Trump launched a criminal investigation against Powell. This is not someone who somehow learned his lesson in the last five days. The irony is that if Trump understood how markets perceive threats to Fed independence, he'd try to influence rates behind closed doors and not make a public spectacle of his attempt to undermine Fed independence! |
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| ▲ | 01100011 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Fed independence is damaged but it was never as independent as it should have been. No one since Volcker has been a real hawk. It hasn't led to hyperinflation, just a continual debasement that has served many purposes. | |
| ▲ | rcv 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have no idea about his credentials or suitability for the job, but Warsh is the son in law of Trump's buddy Ronald Lauder. I get the feeling he's not picking people he doesn't think he can control. | | |
| ▲ | lostlogin 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I get the feeling he's not picking people he doesn't think he can control. The irony in wanting to control people when you lack self control. |
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| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Fed independence" has always been kind of a ruse. The theory is Congress would want to print money so they can spend it, so you need someone whose job it is to not do that. But then Congress just borrows the money instead, which forces the Fed to respond to keep interest rates where they want them, with the result that they still end up de facto printing trillions of dollars at the behest of Congress. To some extent the "independence" is even worse, because the Fed has limited ways it can respond to what Congress does and "long-term cause individual debt to get completely out of hand" is one of their primary effects, which is pretty bad and plausibly worse than inflation having been slightly higher over the same period. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > TikTok influencers The dump is proximately caused by Trump picking a normal Fed chairman. Nobody on TikTok has anything to do with that, they're just pumping everything because seeling out is their day job. |
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| ▲ | beloch 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's not just Tiktok, and not just the last few weeks. There have been pro-Gold ads in every form of media for the last couple of years, many focusing on uncertainty. The timing is pretty clear. The 2024 election was a time of great uncertainty, and Trump's first year in power delivered a reality worse than the fears. Trump is still throwing random tariff threats (and actual tariffs) around without rhyme or reason, but he's discovered that threatening to invade (allied) countries can stir things up even more effectively. Choosing a lackey to replace a competent federal reserve chair isn't going to help matters. We're just one quarter of the way through Trump's presidency (assuming he lives and doesn't seek another term), and it seems like the uncertainty is just going to get worse. However, that uncertainty is, by no means, certain. Domestic resistance and midterm elections could curb Trump's power. International resistance is starting to coalesce. e.g. The EU's threat to use their "trade bazooka" probably contributed to Trump's TACO on Greenland, as did the potential demise of NATO. Responses to Trump's international graspings will likely become more prompt and more muscular, reducing the instability Trump can cause. The system has been shocked, but now its adapting. Many nations are hedging against U.S. centred uncertainty by pivoting to China or other allies. Global markets will likely become more stable as nations learn how to work around Trump's chaos by working around the U.S.. Still, it's very possible that Trump will find new and "creative" ways to make everybody freak out again. Bottom line, the uncertainty that's been driving gold prices up since 2024 is going to let up at some point. But when? How overvalued will gold be when it does let up? |
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| ▲ | BizarroLand 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Fortunately they would have to repeal the 22nd Amendment to allow that dingdong a third term No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term. | | |
| ▲ | macintux 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s amazing what a little uncertainty, a supine Congress, and an impotent judiciary can do for your prospects of committing high treason. | |
| ▲ | stubish 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Traditionally you put a puppet in place to avoid these sorts of pesky rules. Family members are popular. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice Which makes Trump's repeated claims that he was elected in 2020 doubly stupid. | |
| ▲ | tbossanova 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Good luck with that |
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| ▲ | PlatoIsADisease 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On Gold? You know the market is 35 trillion dollars? Do you have any idea how much you'd need to pump? |
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| ▲ | fuzzfactor 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | A good portion of that has been hoarded since biblical times, and has not been in actual "circulation" ever. | | |
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| ▲ | jmyeet 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is a prime example of being confidently wrong. As another commenter put it (paraphrased) if you think a few Tiktokers can move the global silver market then you're a deeply unserious person. There are fundamental issues driving up silver prices in the last 6+ months, capped off by China instituting strict export controls starting January 1, 2026, which has further tightened supply. This is a short squeeze, just like Gamestop from a few years back. Banks hold huge short positions, the prices keep going up, the exchanges are intentionally trying to bail out by the banks by crashing the market and no retailer is actually buying silver for a bunch of reasons I went into more detail about in other comments on this thread. |
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| ▲ | ProjectArcturis 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I was with you till the last paragraph. Banks having a huge short position is a false conspiracy theory. | |
| ▲ | PlatoIsADisease 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I agree, Gold is a 35 trillion dollar market. There is no pump and dump. What happened to HN, people are totally fine with fanciful ideas suddenly. Normies found it? |
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| ▲ | constantcrying 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | fn-mote 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Unnecessarily toxic. How about you give your interpretation instead of making us infer it. | | |
| ▲ | losvedir 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They're saying that the volume of the silver market is such that "tiktok influencers" and their followers (i.e. "retail" traders, not institutional investors or mega corporations hedging their supply chain) are insignificant in affecting the price. This is not a situation like bankrupt Gamestop. I'm seeing the 30% price drop, e.g., here: https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/metals/precious/silver.volu..., which shows a volume of 300k contracts, where each contract is 5,000 ounces of silver, for a notional value of more than $100 BILLION dollars. Now, that much money didn't necessarily change hands but tiktokers and their followers are not going to realistically move the needle there still. | |
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