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bediger4000 15 hours ago

Why? That's unequivocally constitutionally protected speech. Why is our tax money being wasted on this?

afavour 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To intimidate. They're probably quite aware they'll lose in court. But in the mean time they might discourage some folks from turning out on the street.

JoshTriplett 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you under the impression that the current administration cares about what the law says?

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect"

tptacek 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They're "investigating", presumably with data gleaned from arrests and CIs; you have a right to speech, and a right not to be prosecuted for speech, but a much, much narrower right not to be "investigated", collapsing to ~epsilon when the investigation involves data the FBI already has.

janalsncm 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah whenever people say “the first amendment is not a freedom from consequences” it is only a freedom from certain consequences (and that freedom only goes as far as the government is willing to protect it). It is a freedom from being convicted. They can still arrest you, you can still spend time in jail, prosecutors can even file charges. A court is supposed to throw those charges out. And in extreme cases you can be convicted and sent to prison for years before SCOTUS rules.

tptacek 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Nobody has been charged.

jakelazaroff 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I think GP is speaking generally, not with regard to this situation specifically; obviously people have been charged for constitutionally-protected speech before.

andreygrehov 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No. According to the latest reports, while searching for ICE vehicles, the protesters are unlawfully scanning license plates, which strongly suggests they are receiving insider help.

anigbrowl 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There is nothing unlawful about scanning license plates. You are allowed to photograph them in the same way you are allowed to stand around writing them into a notebook if that activity is your idea of fun. Where do people get these ideas?!

tptacek 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I think the idea was that they were getting people associated with Minnesota DPS to do lookups on the plates.

germinalphrase 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Why would that even be necessary? They are almost certainly just contributing confirmed ICE plate numbers to an Excel file and then checking against it. Low tech and simple. This “criminal insider” angle is just building a bogeyman.

tptacek 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think it's a real thing, I'm just saying that's what the claim is.

janalsncm 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you rule out the much less technically advanced explanation that this information was crowdsourced? And people are simply observing the license plates that are plainly displayed?

Frankly I don’t think it should have to come to license plate numbers. In a free society law enforcement should clearly identify themselves as such. We should not need secret police.

andreygrehov 12 hours ago | parent [-]

No, I cannot. One of the undercover journalists was in their group for days.

> Frankly I don’t think it should have to come to license plate numbers. In a free society law enforcement should clearly identify themselves as such. We should not need secret police.

None of that matters _today_, because _today_ the law is different.

janalsncm 11 hours ago | parent [-]

What the law is, is a question for lawyers. What the law should be is a question for the people.

For example, a lot of people thought it was wrong that federal agents could cover their faces. Sacramento agreed. Now there is a law preventing it.

germinalphrase 9 hours ago | parent [-]

That law enforcement is permitted to hide their faces, drive unmarked vehicles, not display name tags, badges, or uniforms is concerning. Anyone can buy a gun, a vest, and a velcro “police” patch. There is very little that marks these agents as official law enforcement. I’m somewhat surprised that none of these agents have been shot entering a home under the mistaken perception by the homeowner that it’s a criminal home invasion.

janalsncm 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Or alternatively, that criminals haven’t simply claimed to be ICE as an excuse to break into someone’s house.

andreygrehov 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Where was the outrage when Obama deported 3.1 million people? Why was there no media coverage? Trump has deported 300k and the MSM is turning upside down. Doesn’t make any sense to me.

dragonwriter 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No one is upset about the number of deportations. No one is complaining about the number of deportations. If you don't listen to what the complaints are about to start with, you can't argue that they are hypocritical.

andreygrehov 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Ok. What are people upset about, and why are they only upset in one city?

dragonwriter 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> What are people upset about,

A wide array of policy issues related to the targeting and manner of execution of Trump’s mass deportation program, not the number of deportations.

Also, a number of specific instances of violence by the federal government during what is (at least notionally) the execution of immigration enforcement.

> why are they only upset in one city?

People are very clearly not “only upset in one city”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_mass_deportat...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good_protes...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/protests-ale...

andreygrehov 8 hours ago | parent [-]

And prior to that, when Obama deported 3.1 million people, the deportations were nice and dandy, right?

dragonwriter 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> And prior to that, when Obama deported 3.1 million people, the deportations were nice and dandy, right?

There was significant criticism of them, but both the policy and the manner of execution were different, a fact which Trump presaged in BOTH of his successful campaigns, explicitly stating plans for a different manner of execution (in the 2024 campaign explicitly referencing the notorious 1950s “Operation Wetback” as a model), and which Trump officials have crowed about throughout the execution of the campaign. Pretending the differences that provoke different responses don’t exists when their architects have been as proud of them as critics have been angry at them is just some intense bad faith denial of facts.

rhcom2 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There were contemporary criticism of Obama's deportation policy on both the right and the left. I have no idea why you think that is some sort of gotcha that somehow makes the equivalency between Obama and Trump's immigration enforcement valid.

andreygrehov 8 hours ago | parent [-]

No. The outrage now versus back then is day and night. There were pretty much no protests during Obama’s term, even though the scale of deportations was much larger. That contrast is highly suspicious.

rhcom2 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Dragonwriter has already laid out some of the differences for you to research further beyond the single data point of number of deportations. You've asked the same question multiple times but seem to not want to actually engage with the answers so I'll leave it there.

janalsncm 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People keep telling you that it has nothing to do with the number of deportations, and you keep insisting that it does. Why do you believe the number of deportations is the most important factor?

andreygrehov 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Copying my other response here:

The core issue is the media. I worked at a large news company in New York during the Obama’s term. There was a training for our reporters: anything negative about Obama was strictly prohibited. Ad revenue.

bediger4000 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't believe this.

chaps 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When talking to someone at-risk of deportation earlier in the year, they asked me, "Why should I do anything differently? Obama and Biden did the same exact shit."

And there's a lot of truth to that which a lot of people need to reconcile with.

The fact that we don't have DACA solidified into a path towards citizenship by now is just sad.

andreygrehov 8 hours ago | parent [-]

And I agree with you, but that's not what I'm questioning. Given the 10x larger scale of deportations during the Obama's term, why were there no protests?

defrost 8 hours ago | parent [-]

During Obama's term the practice of warrentless entry into actual citizens homes wasn't widespread.

During Obama's term the leaders of DHS / ICE were not blatently lying about events captured on film and evading legitmate investigations into deaths at the hands of officers.

During Obamas term people with no criminal record were not being offshored to hell-hole prison camps with serious abuses of human rights.

andreygrehov 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Give me a break - https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa...

defrost 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Can you link to the tweet in which Obama defended the agents right to threaten a child with rape?

From your linked article:

  If the abuses were this bad under Obama when the Border Patrol described itself as constrained, imagine how it must be now under Trump, who vowed to unleash the agents to do their jobs.
There's your difference. Thank you for playing.
andreygrehov 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The core issue is the media. I worked at a large news company in New York during the Obama’s term. There was a training for our reporters: anything negative about Obama was strictly prohibited. Ad revenue.

defrost 7 hours ago | parent [-]

As many others have pointed out, the deeper issue is the size of the boot, the disregard for citizens rights, the extremes of the offshore gulags, the fevor with which the upper levels embrace the brutality.

I am unable to assist further with your stated struggle for comprehension.

andreygrehov 7 hours ago | parent [-]

You are still missing the point. You were intentionally underinformed during the Obama's term.

derbOac 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"Unlawfully scanning license plates"? What does that even mean?

Like searching a vehicle database? That's available to all sorts of people, like auto body repair shops.

Taking a photo of a license plate? Nothing illegal about that.

andreygrehov 12 hours ago | parent [-]

You're confusing 'seeing a license plate' with 'querying restricted databases'.

Taking a photo is legal. Running plates through law-enforcement/ALPR systems is not, and auto body shops don't have that access.

Real-time identification != observation - it implies unauthorized data access.

anigbrowl 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If that was what you meant, you should have said that. Do you have any actual evidence this is happening, or are you just confusing possibility with probability?

tptacek 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't buy the claim that it's happening, but they were pretty clearly talking about the lookups, not the photos. They started off by mentioning "insiders".

plorg 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Journalists doing ride alongs have already identified the system and it doesn't really on "restricted databases", they rely on observation and multiple attestation. In any case, there are indeed commercial services for looking up license plate data, and they rely on watching the notices that are published when you register your vehicle. It's the same reason why you receive all sorts of scammy warranty "notices" when you buy a car.

In fact the first clue that they look for is having Illinois Permanent plates because that is a strong indicator that they are using rental vehicles. That doesn't take a database, it's just a strong signal that can be confirmed by other evidence.

andreygrehov 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Do federal agents rent their vehicles?

plorg 8 hours ago | parent [-]

The crowd sourced lists don't identify the owners of the vehicles, because that does not matter. They identify vehicles that ICE is using, and "likely a rental" is one good signal.

rhcom2 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is no evidence of this at all.

andreygrehov 9 hours ago | parent [-]

There is enough smoke to at least perform an investigation. As I said, this administration has deported 10x less people than the previous administrations.

germinalphrase 7 hours ago | parent [-]

You seem quite narrowly focused on the number of deportations rather than the methods being implemented. The primary criticisms of the current ICE surge in Minnesota focus on the general aggressiveness and lack of professionalism of these agents, not the deportations numbers.

paganel 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> through law-enforcement/ALPR systems

Were they doing that? I haven't read the article, that's why I'm asking.

andreygrehov 12 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/minnesota-signal-gate-di...

janalsncm 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t see anything there about querying license plate databases. There is a spreadsheet of donors to some kind of organization.

andreygrehov 11 hours ago | parent [-]

https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093635096658172

Also, what is the outrage about? This administration has deported the least number of people compared to all previous administrations. Obama deported 3.1 million people, ten times more than Trump today. Same ICE, same border patrol.

rhcom2 10 hours ago | parent [-]

It literally say it is a crowdsourced list... a completely legal activity. If you can't figure out what the outrage is about after Alex Pretti and Renée Good then you're being intentionally obtuse.

andreygrehov 9 hours ago | parent [-]

1. The outrage had been there prior to their death.

2. Their death is the outcome of the outrage.

rhcom2 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Their deaths are an outcome of the heavy handed immigration enforcement that has caused the outrage. The raw number of deportations is not the only metric. The enforcement tactics of the Obama admin are not the same as Trump's, this is obvious and incontrovertible.

You don't have to agree with the criticisms but to not even be able to understand why people are upset stretches believability.

andreygrehov 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Duh... You're still collapsing cause and context. The protests preceded the deaths; the deaths occurred during confrontations created by the protests. That makes them an outcome of escalation, not the original trigger.

And 'different tactics' doesn’t explain the reaction gap, as i said, under Obama there were 3.1M+ deportations and at least 56 documented deaths in ICE custody (https://www.detentionwatchnetwork.org/sites/default/files/re...) with nowhere near this level of outrage. What changed is media framing and amplification, not the existence of harsh enforcement.

rhcom2 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It doesn't have to be the original trigger, you asked "what is the outrage about?" and those deaths are part of it.

> And 'different tactics' doesn’t explain the reaction gap, as i said, under Obama there were 3.1M+ deportations and at least 56 documented deaths in ICE custody

You continuously ask this same question, get an answer, and ignore it. ICE enforcement was not the same under Obama and Trump even if Obama had high deportation numbers. The deaths in that report were from medical issues or neglect. Horrible, absolutely, but not shootings, not American citizens, and not protesters.

Maybe instead of assuming everyone is a stooge that can only do what the media tells them, consider they may actually have some legitimate grievances?

plorg 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know what they think they're doing there. If the most interesting thing they found was the public website leading to a fundraising platform for mutual aid a) there is literally nothing illegal there, and b) you can find that website linked to publicly by conservatively 25% of the twin cities population. It's literally the most prominent fundraising website anyone has been posting.

andreygrehov 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Wrong. The "protesters" were conducting counterintelligence to locate where ICE was operating. The plan was to disrupt the operation. Like it or not, this is against the law. Period.

plorg 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I know you want to frame it a different way, but the articles you are posting don't describe anything that's illegal.

andreygrehov 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not framing anything. There are screenshots of the chats where people literally say "ICE vehicle has been identified, everybody, go there!". This is called interfering.

plorg 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The "interfering" this are describing is your framing. You want it to be interference in a legally actionable way, but it simply isn't.

andreygrehov 7 hours ago | parent [-]

18 U.S.C. § 111 - Assaulting, resisting, impeding officers (including federal agents)

18 U.S.C. § 1505 - Obstruction of Federal Officers (this includes ICE itself - obstructing or interfering with an ICE arrest is a crime)

18 U.S.C. § 118 - Obstructing, resisting, or interfering with federal protective functions

wmorgan 6 hours ago | parent [-]

18 USC 111 does not apply here. Forcible action is an element. The action doesn’t have to be itself the use of force; it’s sufficient that a threat being some action that causes an officer to reasonably fear bodily harm. But obviously the actions we’re talking about on this subthread fall well short of that definition. If they didn't the law would be unconstitutional.

Those other two laws seem like an even weirder fit for the fact pattern in this subthread.

andreygrehov 6 hours ago | parent [-]

But that's not the end of the analysis. The legal line isn't 'force or nothing'; it's intent + conduct. Speech and observation are protected, but coordinated action intended to impede enforcement is not.

If "ICE vehicle has been identified, everybody go there" is followed by mobbing vehicles, blocking movement, inducing agents to disengage, or warning targets to evade arrest, that crosses from protected speech into actionable conduct.

wmorgan 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Is that your theory, or is there case law that backs it up? From what I saw the bounds on 18 USC 111 are quite narrow indeed: I found a case where the defendant _fired at federal agents with his shotgun_, and the appeals court threw it out because the jury was incorrectly instructed that they could use the fact that he shot at them when considering he misled them afterwards. But actually, the jury was not allowed to do that. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/199...

andreygrehov 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Quote: (1) speech can be prohibited if it is "directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action" and (2) it is "likely to incite or produce such action."

See Brandenburg v. Ohio (https://www.oyez.org/cases/1968/492)

wmorgan 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Brandenburg v. Ohio was decided in favor of the appellant. As I suspected, there are no cases of a US court interpreting your theory of the law on 18 USC 111.

hackyhacky 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When has the constitution mattered to this administration?

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Sparkle-san 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because too many people dismissed the claims that electing Trump would lead to a fascist administration as alarmist. Turns out he meant every word he said during his campaign.

PrettiGoodDead 15 hours ago | parent [-]

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spankalee 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes - very, very dumb people did vote for him.

therobots927 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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JumpCrisscross 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No, they haven’t. This kind of advocacy crosses from lazy nihilism to negligence.

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anigbrowl 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They inarguably won the last election and control 2 branches of government.

JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> They inarguably won the last election and control 2 branches of government

Elected branches. Subject to further contests in months. That’s now how fascists endgame.

It’s stupid and wrong to claim fascists have won in America. The only people peddling this lie are fascists who can read polls.

dragonwriter 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> > > Why is our tax money being wasted on this?

> > The fascists won. That’s why?

> No, they haven’t.

Yes, they did, that’s why they are able to use the executive branch of the federal government to enforce their wishes at the moment, with virtually no constraint yet from the legislative branch, and no significant consequences yet for ignoring contrary orders from the judicial branch.

They may lose at some point in the future, but something that might happen in the future is irrelevant to the question of why what is happening now is happening, and it is happening because they won. Unambiguously.

SR2Z 12 hours ago | parent [-]

They are not able to enforce their will unchecked. The legislature is more than willing to turn on Trump when he crosses the line, hence the whole idea of "TACO."

The fascists haven't won because if they did, they would be killing a lot more dissidents in the street. They killed two and the public outcry is so angry that Kristi Noem might be impeached. Democrats are willing to shut down the government to starve ICE if they have to. Even GOP legislators are criticizing Trump, which is a dangerous activity for any Republican looking to keep their seat.

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micromacrofoot 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Impeached and replaced with someone just as bad. This just happened with Tom Homan getting Bongino's spot. No one is being prosecuted for the murders, and in fact at least one investigator has quit their career position in the FBI for being asked to bury it.

I'm not seeing a whole lot of meaningful checks.

dragonwriter 11 hours ago | parent [-]

> Impeached and replaced with someone just as bad. This just happened with Tom Homan getting Bongino's spot

Bovino (Border Patrol “at large” Commander who may or may not have lost that title and been returned to his sector command), not Bongino (the podcaster-turned-FBI Deputy Director who resigned to go back to podcasting), and Homan didn't get Bovino’s job, only his spotlight (he was already the head of border policy for the White House.)

8note 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i think it sets the framing that beating them back is from a losing position rather than equal.

if you want the fascists to un-win, you need to treat the world as it is: the fascists are ascendent.

therobots927 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I should’ve clarified. They won the 2024 election. And the democrats are controlled opposition who take money from fascists. For all intents and purposes they have won. That may not be a permanent state of affairs.

JohnFen 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think it makes sense to call winners and losers before the battle is anywhere close to being over.

dragonwriter 13 hours ago | parent [-]

> I don't think it makes sense to call winners and losers before the battle is anywhere close to being over.

I don't think it makes sense to reject an explanation of current events grounded in a battle that is clearly over having been won and the victor using the ground they’ve gained to produce the events being discussed merelt because the broader war isn’t over and that victor may potentially lose some subsequent battle.

s1artibartfast 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, won that battle but not the war.

I think the dissent is about the latter. It's not over yet, so people should not give up.

The root comment clearly has ambiguity that people take both ways.

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thunderfork 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given that Newsom was on a podcast just last week caving to even the slightest pushback, I wouldn't count on him to be bombastic to anyone. He's 100% optics-driven-cowardice.

ActorNightly 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Well see. Anything can happen. Maybe Im wrong and people this time around do want sanity. Or Trump drone strikes him if he sees him getting too much steam.

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ActorNightly 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Why even bother replying

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randallsquared 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Conspiracy to commit a crime is typically not included in protected speech. Whether you think that's happening here will depend mostly on what side you take, I suspect.

neogodless 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

Are you pro or against this?

mycodendral 12 hours ago | parent [-]

18 U.S.C. § 372 - Conspiring to impede or interfere with a federal officer

Freedom of expression does not include freedom from prosecution for real crimes.

germinalphrase 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

“ If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both”

nkohari 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You keep commenting to cite this statute when you clearly have not actually read what it says. Peaceful protest is explicitly protected by the first amendment.

JKCalhoun 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Interesting that there would be people on a "side" that think there was a conspiracy to commit a crime. What crime?

direwolf20 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Interference with a law enforcement investigation?

mycodendral 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

18 U.S.C. § 372 - Conspiring to impede or interfere with a federal officer

baerrie 12 hours ago | parent [-]

This refers to physical impediments. Spreading legal information is not an impediment, it is free speech. If all info could be interpreted as impediments to federal officers then phones, the internet, the human voice, etc would be illegal

rexpop 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a crime.

What do you have against crime?

Nonviolent political action is often criminalized.

mindslight 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the fascist's mind, anything that isn't supporting Dear Leader's vision of "greatness" is a crime.

PrettiGoodDead 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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mrtesthah 14 hours ago | parent [-]

We already know that "doxxing" on its own is not a crime, and moreover that [non-undercover] federal agents are not entitled to keep their identities secret.

We also know that legal observation and making noise does not constitute interference.

So those may be their stated reasons, but they will not hold up in court.

mycodendral 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Federal felony, not free speech.

18 U.S.C. § 372 - Conspiring to impede or interfere with a federal officer

derbOac 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's been lots of legal writing pointing out these statutes basically refer to impeding an officer by threat or physical force, which that statute you cite states. It doesn't refer to anything about providing food to someone who is fearing for their lives and won't leave the home, or communicating about the publicly observed whereabouts of law enforcement.

kennywinker 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are these federal officers? They’re men in masks with camo and body armor kidnapping people off the streets and refusing to show identification beyond a patch that says “ICE”.

That is who is alleged to be impeded.

OhMeadhbh 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure, but you should read what "impede" and "interfere" mean both in the regs and court precedent. Following ICE agents around is neither impeding or interfering by current federal court definitions. But yeah... that can change quickly.

janalsncm 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

“Free speech” is a concept not a law. The first amendment protects certain types of speech. Whether something is free speech or not does not depend on the US government’s opinion or the Chinese government or your mother in law.

Publishing locations alone is not conspiracy to commit a crime. If ICE is impeded as a result of this information, that’s not enough. Conspiracy requires the government to prove that multiple people intended to impede them.

spiderice 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Which is probably the easiest thing ever to prove, since people are openly trying to impede them

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poplarsol 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Coordinating roadblocks, "dearrests", warning the subjects of law enforcement operations, and intentionally causing the maximum amount of noise in neighborhoods neighborhood are not things you will be able to get a federal judge to characterize as "constitutionally protected speech".

kennywinker 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The “arrests” are being done in a deeply unconstitutional way. Acting to uphold the constitution is beyond speech, it’s a duty of all americans.

OhMeadhbh 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Actually... making noise in a neighborhood is constitutionally protected speech (as I have learned when my neighbors crank the sub-par disco up to 11.)

poplarsol 10 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.72

8note 10 hours ago | parent [-]

this is to say that ICE is breaking MN law no?

poplarsol 8 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/supremacy_clause

OhMeadhbh 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Also, it turns out the law is interpreted by judges who often (but not always) have careers as attorneys. It is not, thankfully, interpreted by people dropping into the internet comments section.

That the law is written in a way that an individual rate-payer may believe they understand its application is irrelevant to the way it actually is. "The Law" is not necessarily the written corpus of enumerated regulations, but also the judicary's day-to-day interpretation of the written text, tempered by exhortations from (hopefully) decent legal minds arguing before the court. That's the theory, anyway.