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| ▲ | anigbrowl 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They inarguably won the last election and control 2 branches of government. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | > They inarguably won the last election and control 2 branches of government Elected branches. Subject to further contests in months. That’s now how fascists endgame. It’s stupid and wrong to claim fascists have won in America. The only people peddling this lie are fascists who can read polls. | | |
| ▲ | anigbrowl an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm not arguing they've won forever, but having the executive branch and a majority (albiet not a an opposition-proof supermajority) in the legislative branch is significant. I would say MAGA is well represented at the state level also. I hope the midterms go smoothly and the GOP loses heavily at the polls and legislative power changes hands in January, but I'm not 100% confident of that any more. |
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| ▲ | dragonwriter 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > > > Why is our tax money being wasted on this? > > The fascists won. That’s why? > No, they haven’t. Yes, they did, that’s why they are able to use the executive branch of the federal government to enforce their wishes at the moment, with virtually no constraint yet from the legislative branch, and no significant consequences yet for ignoring contrary orders from the judicial branch. They may lose at some point in the future, but something that might happen in the future is irrelevant to the question of why what is happening now is happening, and it is happening because they won. Unambiguously. |
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| ▲ | SR2Z 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | They are not able to enforce their will unchecked. The legislature is more than willing to turn on Trump when he crosses the line, hence the whole idea of "TACO." The fascists haven't won because if they did, they would be killing a lot more dissidents in the street. They killed two and the public outcry is so angry that Kristi Noem might be impeached. Democrats are willing to shut down the government to starve ICE if they have to. Even GOP legislators are criticizing Trump, which is a dangerous activity for any Republican looking to keep their seat. | | |
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| ▲ | micromacrofoot 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Impeached and replaced with someone just as bad. This just happened with Tom Homan getting Bongino's spot. No one is being prosecuted for the murders, and in fact at least one investigator has quit their career position in the FBI for being asked to bury it. I'm not seeing a whole lot of meaningful checks. | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Impeached and replaced with someone just as bad. This just happened with Tom Homan getting Bongino's spot Bovino (Border Patrol “at large” Commander who may or may not have lost that title and been returned to his sector command), not Bongino (the podcaster-turned-FBI Deputy Director who resigned to go back to podcasting), and Homan didn't get Bovino’s job, only his spotlight (he was already the head of border policy for the White House.) |
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| ▲ | 8note 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| i think it sets the framing that beating them back is from a losing position rather than equal. if you want the fascists to un-win, you need to treat the world as it is: the fascists are ascendent. |
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| ▲ | therobots927 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I should’ve clarified. They won the 2024 election. And the democrats are controlled opposition who take money from fascists. For all intents and purposes they have won. That may not be a permanent state of affairs. |
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| ▲ | JohnFen 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think it makes sense to call winners and losers before the battle is anywhere close to being over. | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I don't think it makes sense to call winners and losers before the battle is anywhere close to being over. I don't think it makes sense to reject an explanation of current events grounded in a battle that is clearly over having been won and the victor using the ground they’ve gained to produce the events being discussed merelt because the broader war isn’t over and that victor may potentially lose some subsequent battle. | | |
| ▲ | s1artibartfast 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, won that battle but not the war. I think the dissent is about the latter. It's not over yet, so people should not give up. The root comment clearly has ambiguity that people take both ways. |
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| ▲ | thunderfork 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Given that Newsom was on a podcast just last week caving to even the slightest pushback, I wouldn't count on him to be bombastic to anyone. He's 100% optics-driven-cowardice. | | |
| ▲ | ActorNightly 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well see. Anything can happen. Maybe Im wrong and people this time around do want sanity. Or Trump drone strikes him if he sees him getting too much steam. |
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