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| ▲ | dragonwriter 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No one is upset about the number of deportations. No one is complaining about the number of deportations. If you don't listen to what the complaints are about to start with, you can't argue that they are hypocritical. | | |
| ▲ | andreygrehov 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ok. What are people upset about, and why are they only upset in one city? | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | > What are people upset about, A wide array of policy issues related to the targeting and manner of execution of Trump’s mass deportation program, not the number of deportations. Also, a number of specific instances of violence by the federal government during what is (at least notionally) the execution of immigration enforcement. > why are they only upset in one city? People are very clearly not “only upset in one city” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_mass_deportat... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good_protes... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/protests-ale... | | |
| ▲ | andreygrehov 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | And prior to that, when Obama deported 3.1 million people, the deportations were nice and dandy, right? | | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > And prior to that, when Obama deported 3.1 million people, the deportations were nice and dandy, right? There was significant criticism of them, but both the policy and the manner of execution were different, a fact which Trump presaged in BOTH of his successful campaigns, explicitly stating plans for a different manner of execution (in the 2024 campaign explicitly referencing the notorious 1950s “Operation Wetback” as a model), and which Trump officials have crowed about throughout the execution of the campaign. Pretending the differences that provoke different responses don’t exists when their architects have been as proud of them as critics have been angry at them is just some intense bad faith denial of facts. | |
| ▲ | rhcom2 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There were contemporary criticism of Obama's deportation policy on both the right and the left. I have no idea why you think that is some sort of gotcha that somehow makes the equivalency between Obama and Trump's immigration enforcement valid. | | |
| ▲ | andreygrehov 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | No. The outrage now versus back then is day and night. There were pretty much no protests during Obama’s term, even though the scale of deportations was much larger. That contrast is highly suspicious. | | |
| ▲ | rhcom2 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Dragonwriter has already laid out some of the differences for you to research further beyond the single data point of number of deportations. You've asked the same question multiple times but seem to not want to actually engage with the answers so I'll leave it there. | |
| ▲ | janalsncm 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People keep telling you that it has nothing to do with the number of deportations, and you keep insisting that it does. Why do you believe the number of deportations is the most important factor? | | |
| ▲ | andreygrehov 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Copying my other response here: The core issue is the media. I worked at a large news company in New York during the Obama’s term. There was a training for our reporters: anything negative about Obama was strictly prohibited. Ad revenue. | | |
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| ▲ | chaps 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | When talking to someone at-risk of deportation earlier in the year, they asked me, "Why should I do anything differently? Obama and Biden did the same exact shit." And there's a lot of truth to that which a lot of people need to reconcile with. The fact that we don't have DACA solidified into a path towards citizenship by now is just sad. | | |
| ▲ | andreygrehov 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | And I agree with you, but that's not what I'm questioning. Given the 10x larger scale of deportations during the Obama's term, why were there no protests? | | |
| ▲ | defrost 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | During Obama's term the practice of warrentless entry into actual citizens homes wasn't widespread. During Obama's term the leaders of DHS / ICE were not blatently lying about events captured on film and evading legitmate investigations into deaths at the hands of officers. During Obamas term people with no criminal record were not being offshored to hell-hole prison camps with serious abuses of human rights. | | |
| ▲ | andreygrehov 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Give me a break - https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa... | | |
| ▲ | defrost 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Can you link to the tweet in which Obama defended the agents right to threaten a child with rape? From your linked article: If the abuses were this bad under Obama when the Border Patrol described itself as constrained, imagine how it must be now under Trump, who vowed to unleash the agents to do their jobs.
There's your difference. Thank you for playing. | | |
| ▲ | andreygrehov 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | The core issue is the media. I worked at a large news company in New York during the Obama’s term. There was a training for our reporters: anything negative about Obama was strictly prohibited. Ad revenue. | | |
| ▲ | defrost 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | As many others have pointed out, the deeper issue is the size of the boot, the disregard for citizens rights, the extremes of the offshore gulags, the fevor with which the upper levels embrace the brutality. I am unable to assist further with your stated struggle for comprehension. | | |
| ▲ | andreygrehov 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are still missing the point. You were intentionally underinformed during the Obama's term. |
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