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fuzzer371 6 hours ago

No one uses em dashes

dragonwriter 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If nobody used em-dashes, they wouldn’t have featured heavily in the training set for LLMs. It is used somewhat rarely (so e people use it a lot, others not at all) in informal digital prose, but that’s not the same as being entirely unused generally.

schrodinger 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I do—all the time. Why not?

I also use en dashes when referring to number ranges, e.g., 1–9

dboreham 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I didn't know these fancy dashes existed until I read Knuth's first book on typesetting. So probably 1984. Since then I've used them whenever appropriate.

crimony 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Microsoft Word automatically converts dashes to em dashes as soon as you hit space at the end of the next word after the dash.

BLKNSLVR 5 hours ago | parent [-]

That's the only way I know how to get an em dash. That's how I create them. I sometimes have to re-write something to force the "dash space <word> space" sequence in order for Word to create it, and then I copy and paste the em dash into the thing I'm working on.

Terr_ an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Alt-0151 on the numpad in Windows.

Long-press on the hyphen on most Android keyboards.

Or open whenever "Character Map" application that usually comes with any desktop OS, and copy it from there.

leoc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Windows 10/11’s clipboard stack lets you pin selections into the clipboard, so — and a variety of other characters live in mine. And on iOS you just hold down -, of course.

robin_reala 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Option shift - in macOS (option - gives you an en dash).

dboreham 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can Google search "em-dash" then copy/paste from the resulting page.

cwnyth 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ctrl+Shit+U + 2014 (em dash) or 2013 (en dash) in Linux. Former academic here, and I use the things all the time. You can find them all over my pre-LLM publications.

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rmunn 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Except for Emily Dickenson, who is an outlier and should not be counted.

Seriously, she used dashes all the time. Here is a direct copy and paste of the first two stanzas of her poem "Because I count not stop for Death" from the first source I found, https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47652/because-i-could...

  Because I could not stop for Death –
  He kindly stopped for me –
  The Carriage held but just Ourselves –
  And Immortality.

  We slowly drove – He knew no haste
  And I had put away
  My labor and my leisure too,
  For His Civility –
Her dashes have been rendered as en dashes in this particular case rather than em dashes, but unless you're a typography enthusiast you might not notice the difference (I certainly didn't and thought they were em dashes at first). I would bet if I hunted I would find some places where her poems have been transcribed with em dashes. (It's what I would have typed if I were transcribing them).
awakeasleep 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Except for highly literate people, and people who care about typography.

Think about it— the robots didn’t invent the em-dash. They’re copying it from somewhere.

amrocha 5 hours ago | parent [-]

My impression of people that say they’re em dash users is that they’re laundering their dunning kruger through AI.

DocTomoe 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Tell me you never worked with LaTeX and an university style guide without telling me you never worked with LaTeX and an university style guide.

account42 an hour ago | parent [-]

Approximately no one writes internet comments or even articles in LaTeX.