> I now find it impossible to put up with boring people (which is basically everybody who has time to sit around chatting, almost by definition).

You're being judgemental to call them boring. Plus widening your opinions to be a "definition" sounds like an unhealthy worldview. You likely appear boring to others.

Then again I have a saying I use when anyone says they are bored - I say they are boring!

I’m just curious about the “wasn’t allowed to have friends or go anywhere” part. Can you elaborate?

Why not? Is this some form/culture of parenting I’m not familiar with?

This idea of not allowing a child to have friends or go anywhere just sounds like actual emotional abuse.

I have a feeling I had a similar childhood to you (strict/smothering).

I also find it problematical to deal with people who live 'normal/standard' lives who are not curious about the world and how everything works. Being put in a conversation talking about sports, gossip, celebrities is intolerable for me.

I've come to accept (and I think some people here may resonate with) that this is can be a blessing or good filtering mechanism.

Wanting to "make optimal development" is just one of possible motivations for exercising and not everyone who does it is interested in that. Maintaining good health and generally wanting to feel better across the day are also perfectly valid reasons to exercise.

You gotta give yourself a bit more slack. We all deserve to rest and go slow now and then. What's the point of living if you can't take a break?

We are chaotic and beautiful bundles of dozens of trillions of cells that evolved over 4 billion years. We breath. We feel. We are alive. We aren't math problems that need to be "solved" or "optimized".

> Which, to me, makes sense because you’re supposed to always be pushing yourself. You’re not supposed to ever feel comfortable or feel better from it. You should always feel shitty because if it doesn’t hurt then you’re probably not making optimal development.

You are way too demanding of yourself my friend :(

> if it doesn't hurt then you're not making optimal development

this is almost certainly wrong - 100% balls to wall training will surely be suboptimal (on avg) to achieving most fitness goals - eg within a running training block there will generally be recovery and "general aerobic" runs which are easy in effort relative to the harder work in the block. These easy efforts are necessary to optimally achieve the desired physiological adaptations acquired through increased volume and "nailing" the hard workouts. The easier runs enable this by getting volume at lower risk of injury + conserving energy/will for the key workouts.

This also doesn't consider how important recovery is to optimal results (as in sleep, rest, self-care etc).

Exercising is doing some activity that is good for your health. You’ve reduced this to some narrow set of activities that presumably make you stronger, faster, or better at some other easy to measure metric. I assure you it’s easy to enjoy exercising if your incentive is longevity and simply healthy living by a more subjective metric

I finally started getting stronger in the gym when I stopped going to failure on everything. I got in the best endurance shape by going on a steady comfortable pace for progressively longer periods of time.

Harder is not always better.

I'd point out that at least in aerobic exercies (ie running and biking) its generally recommended that you shouldn't be pushing too hard for most of your workouts. If you're going out four days a week it's only on one or two of them that you're generally supposed to push yourself. The others should be at an easier pace. Which I tend to find more enjoyable.

There's also something to be said for seasons of maintaining a level of fitness rather than pushing for the next level!

https://stories.strava.com/articles/a-productive-weekly-trai...

It seems very likely to me that the sensations experienced during exercise are highly variable among individuals.

I say this because my experience is very different from yours: I get a very perceptible "high" once I get into the rhythm of a good workout. Think mild euphoria, mood lift, and general feeling of "rightness" in my body once it's been well wrung.

This only happens if I'm in decent shape, though. If I've fallen out of shape it's a slog.

Edit: I can't remember the podcast, but I recall some discussion of emerging clinical evidence in exercise response variability along many dimensions that may help explain the disconnect.

I love working out and have for over 25 years. You should never be in real pain or feel 'shitty'. It should be challenging of course and part of that challenge is being uncomfortable. Learning to embrace being uncomfortable, IMO, is one of the super powers of being a person that translate to all other areas of life. Once a person learns to embrace uncomfortable moments, everything else just becomes...easier.

Exercise can become a form of self harm. It did for me.

But you have ability to suffer painful for a long time.

Maybe your exercise can be to direct your thoughts elsewhere. Start with 5 minutes instead of 30 and actively try to think about something else when your thoughts become too negative. I can't guarantee it will help you but it's a sort of meditation that's worked for me when I felt like my brain wouldn't turn off.

Sounds like your body is telling you something?

Time to find support that you trust and face whatever is going on under the hood.

For me, the three major turning points were quitting my job, later starting somatic therapy with the right therapist, and then finally getting diagnosed with ADHD. Good luck to you :) wish you the best

In order to avoid all stimulation, there is but one recourse, and it is rather final.

Generally, I prefer just sitting quietly and not worrying about the definition of stimulation or whether I'm doing it correctly.

That's basically a vacation, or what it should be. I feel sorry for US people who, at best, get two weeks of paid time off a year, which they'll often need to use up throughout the year for other reasons. Everyone should be able to take a two week uninterrupted break at least once a year, ideally more often than that (two weeks around the holiday season, two weeks in summer, another week at another point, a long weekend on occasion, etc).

Yes, it makes me not feel guilty for not thinking about work. I love being super sick lol.

Ah, depends on the child!

But for kids over 8, a nice long form video works well. That, and having enough time so that they don't feel like we're in a rush, but also not taking to long to load them onto the scanner...

For the younger ones, it's very much dependent on the child. So we take a bit of time to get to know them before we get them to attend. We have videos to prep them, and can follow a script when loading them (e.g. becoming an astronaut and blasting off into space...).

Part of why I like sailing is for a similar reason, beyond a certain range the only people who can bother you electronically are other people at sea (and you actually want to listen to them).

I'm not sure I know (but the database keeps a record - I'll have to look it up!). A couple a year for sure a few years.

Yes, my last transatlantic flight I caught up with a stack of email.

That means something rather different in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogging_(sexual_slang)

just go to a park mate. an open field. an empty car park. everyone can find a place to sit or stop. no one has taken that away from you

>"Try ultra running for at least 10 hours"

Not my cup of tea. But I do get your point.

some forms of meditation can be. it's a very general term

I want to add that to my quotes database[1]. Would "Patrick May" be the right attribution?

[1] https://q4td.blogspot.com/

The next billion-dollar idea.