| ▲ | Microsoft kills official way to activate Windows 11/10 without internet(neowin.net) |
| 126 points by josephcsible 3 hours ago | 54 comments |
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| ▲ | wewewedxfgdf 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Microsoft could have made Windows: able to run on any hardware free for basic usage, paid for commercial usage lightweight, simple, stripped of all cruft and extras consistent in it's UI and cleaned up from 40 years of inconsistencies But they didn't - so people are looking for alternatives. |
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| ▲ | spankibalt an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | As much as I like many Windows versions, the corporate idiocy of the company behind the OS is indeed something else. | | |
| ▲ | cedws 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I get the impression that a lot of the old guard are long gone from the Windows team or have no influence. Raymond Chen is still around but not sure how much he actually works on Windows day to day. | |
| ▲ | neilv 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Never ascribe to stupidity, that which has been proven to be malice. | |
| ▲ | alex1138 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is true with a lot of companies. If you made people actually use their own product (do they?!) maybe they'd think twice before doing boneheaded things Then again, I get the biological desire to put food on the table for one's family and therein lies the problem | | |
| ▲ | userbinator 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | If you made people actually use their own product (do they?!) Yes, they do. Unfortunately even MS employees are powerless to do anything about the crap that gets shoved into Windows by other employees working at the company, and the ones who complain about it are quietly shown the door or have already left of their own will, leaving only those who are completely apathetic or... Then again, I get the biological desire to put food on the table for one's family and therein lies the problem Exactly. That and the desire to remain in the country --- part of the reason why companies like H-1Bs so much is because they are going to be far more docile and less willing to resist doing things they feel are wrong. | |
| ▲ | gerdesj 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "I get the biological desire to put food on the table for one's family and therein lies the problem" They don't make money (put bread on the table) by selling Windows any more. That is soooo 2000s. Income is from data mining and from subscriptions to cloudy offerings that are mostly MVP (Minimum Viable Product). Oh, and hyping their perceived value to the point that the term "meme stock" is no longer just a joke. | |
| ▲ | yoyohello13 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I remember I was at a Python conference some years ago and every Microsoft dev I saw had a MacBook. So no, I don’t think they use their own product internally. | | |
| ▲ | dmix an hour ago | parent [-] | | The only thing worse than work-from-office is mandatory work-on-windows. | | |
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| ▲ | dismalaf an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | With the way the economy is going (some call it K-shaped) it's more profitable to squeeze as hard as you can and extract as much as possible out of whales versus trying to have mass market appeal. Azure, Office and Copilot will sustain them. Nvidia is doing something similar where they're just extracting as much as possible out of AI companies and not caring one bit about consumers. | | |
| ▲ | Y_Y 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Consumers need to remember how to wield a pitchfork | | |
| ▲ | MattGaiser 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The challenge is that consumers in the case of Windows don’t generally choose Windows. Someone else chooses it for them. |
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| ▲ | gruez an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >With the way the economy is going (some call it K-shaped) it's more profitable to squeeze as hard as you can and extract as much as possible out of whales versus trying to have mass market appeal How does whatever microsoft is doing to windows line up with that? | | |
| ▲ | ffsm8 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Hmm, it does line up with that from my perspective too. It's just a different way to say "you're the product, not the customer" if you look at the statement from a neutral perspective - the whale being the actual customer, who changes all the time depending on what Microsoft MBAs think might have the highest potential value they can extract. | | |
| ▲ | gruez 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >the whale being the actual customer, who changes all the time depending on what Microsoft MBAs think might have the highest potential value they can extract. Who's the "whale" in this context? Windows users who subscribe to copilot? Enterprise? Advertisers? | | |
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| ▲ | dismalaf 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Enterprises are the whales. Microsoft sells user management, Office, Copilot, Outlook, etc... all bundled together for more per seat per year than a consumer will spend or generate in the whole lifecycle of their device. Nevermind Azure. So consumers are mostly ignored, except as a testbed to shove AI and ads. |
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| ▲ | ribosometronome 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >free for basic usage, paid for commercial usage And lose all the OEM license money? | | | |
| ▲ | ajsnigrutin 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | When did any manager get promoted for keeping software stable? Just look at google and their chat softwares... you either make something new, or someone else does and you're left behind... be it ads in their start menu, spyware "AI", or paid solitaire. | |
| ▲ | bigfatkitten 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It could be a nice OS, if Microsoft didn’t go out of their way to make it awful. I run Active Directory at home, for various reasons. I’ve got Group Policy in a good enough shape now that I’m not terribly troubled by Microsoft’s enshittification but it took substantial effort to get there, and it requires some work to maintain. | |
| ▲ | 29athrowaway an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That would require empathy. |
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| ▲ | robby_w_g an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I put up with so much Windows crap over the years, and Windows 11 was the final straw. It’s not even the gaming OS anymore as Linux feels snappier and more stable for running games. |
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| ▲ | Joe_Boogz 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Until Linux has an alternative to anticheat, gaming on Windows is still king. And until Linux implements similar abstractions in the Kernel akin to Filter Drivers in Windows, Linux will never have a proper anticheat. | | |
| ▲ | mjevans 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Linux has working EAC. Any software not working on Linux is a Policy decision by the seller, not lacking features on the buyer. Oh and rootkit level EAC? Expect that to go away on Windows too when MS finally gets sick of Crowdstrike and that ilk causing self inflicted Denial of Service attacks on whole economic sectors. | |
| ▲ | bmandale 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is begging the question. Games on linux lack kernel anticheat because linux isn't very popular. Once linux is popular enough, then they will figure out a way to do anti cheat on it in a way that they consider acceptable. Valve already considers VAC good enough, because they want to support linux. Anti cheat on windows works the way it does because that's what's available on windows, on linux they'll figure out some other way. | |
| ▲ | singpolyma3 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Anticheat is sloppy engineering |
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| ▲ | darthg0d an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This was me after decades of running Windows. I'm now firmly on Debian (13). | |
| ▲ | XorNot 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Anyone know if Helldivers 2 works on Linux now? Because I'd say if I can't stick with 10 much longer then I'm just going to format that partition. | | |
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| ▲ | TheRoque 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wonder what's their endgame. I mean, if it keeps getting worse, at some point they will really bleed users. Even if for now the stats (e.g. steam hardware survey), show only a slight increase in Linux users (and a lot of them could be dual booting) |
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| ▲ | hadlock 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > a lot of them could be dual booting I should have a valid license for windows, my Win 8 Pro license (which I paid full price for, like $150) should have worked for Windows 10 (and then transfered to 11) but it's not working anymore for whatever reason, I probably upgraded without disabling the key somewhere or whatever. So when I use Windows I have that "activation required" nag watermark now. When microsoft finally remotely kills my unactivated windows 10 install (a week from now? 6 months?) I'm just not going back. The only reason I dual boot these days is fusion 360 CAD and there's a steam install on there so it's probably showing up as a windows install even though I haven't played games on there in probably years. Windows will probably continue on forever simply due to inertia but this "you have to have a web login to use your private computer" b.s. is going to turn off a lot of consumers, and this will be the watershed moment where Proton/Wine finally moves from 5, to 10 or 15% of users | |
| ▲ | bulletsvshumans 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Keep milking the cash cows to pay for the new growth area (AI). Convert maximum % of Windows users into subscription service consumers (e.g. cloud storage, Office 365, future paid AI capabilities.) | |
| ▲ | MattGaiser 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Try the internet without an adblocker. The typical user will put up with a lot of pain. | |
| ▲ | VerifiedReports 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Windows is absolutely insufferable now. Offensive, defective, regressive, clumsy, slow garbage. | | |
| ▲ | TheRoque 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I 100% agree, I dual boot myself and get reminded on how horrible the user experience is as opposed to Fedora with KDE Plasma | | |
| ▲ | daveguy 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I boot to Linux, but have a Windows 11 VM. I haven't spun up the Windows VM more than once a month for many months (maybe a year?). And that's just to update windows. |
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| ▲ | SilentM68 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I never thought it would happen, but now I use Linux about 95% of the time. These days, I rarely touch Windows. It feels like Microsoft’s higher-ups never found a clear direction for the OS, focusing more on saturating the market than on maintaining quality. :( |
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| ▲ | pyrolistical an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How about requiring a ms account to activate? Have they closed the double install trick? 1. Install once with ms account and activate. 2. Reinstall offline with local account. 3. It will be activated when you go back online. I suspect the remote server remember your computer hardware generated guid |
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| ▲ | cbcoutinho 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've been running openSUSE tumbleweed myself for years, and recommend Linux to like-minded power users. OP is preaching to the choir. How do you all deal with (extended) family? This Christmas I spent time with my parents and the topic of Windows 11 came up again with all of its associated dark patterns. What do you all do to help them out of this madness? Is Ubuntu/Fedora/etc the best option for seniors? My dad's entire career was in Silicon Valley 1.0 where Excel/Outlook was his bread and butter and feels married to Windows, but ever since leaving the workforce those skills are more of a hindrance than an asset. Now that he's retired, he still uses Excel to plan vacations for example, but Windows is riddled with this BS and I am powerless to help him navigate this anti-consumer behavior. It's incredible that Microsoft is shooting their most loyal customers I'm the foot with this BS. Do you all help your parents remotely? What kind of issues do you run into being your parents IT support? |
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| ▲ | MattGaiser a minute ago | parent [-] | | This is why Windows will get away with it. As much as Windows is deeply flawed, the user interface challenges with Linux are difficult to overcome. Until there is a version of Linux where you don’t have to open the console, Windows will keep its market. |
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| ▲ | GaryBluto an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How did we get here from W2K? It's hard to think of a time when you could use software without internet connection or a phone line. |
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| ▲ | datatrashfire an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| i recently upgraded a computer. windows 10 deactivated itself due to the hardware change. i tried everything i could to reactivate. microsoft support told me my only solution was to buy a new license. microsoft treats its customer with contempt. |
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| ▲ | sekh60 an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm curious did you have an OEM license or a retail license? OEM licenses die with the mobo. | | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | OEM licenses are for the computer, not the motherboard. The online activation historically hasn't worked if you change motherboard, but the phone line folks would always activate it for you if you explained that it was the same computer with a different motherboard. |
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| ▲ | BloodyIron 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Kills ONE official way to activate Win11/10 without internet. There's still KMS and other methods... Article title is slightly misleading. Sure, it sucks about the phone activation thing, but frankly... STOP USING WINDOWS ALREADY. |
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| ▲ | expedition32 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is just so bizarre. Like 90% of the people wouldn't even know you COULD activate without an MS account and the remainder will just use Rufus to bypass restrictions. So what is MS actually "fixing"? |
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| ▲ | gethly 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is the result of indification of microsoft as a whole. |
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| ▲ | bitwize 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| (as a person whose "year of the Linux desktop" was literally 30 frickin' years ago) Oh no! Anyway... |
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| ▲ | chews an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Finding more modern ways to be lame and making it easier for folks to either pirate (use shady activation methods) or move to other platforms. |
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| ▲ | thewhitetulip an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| People should switch to Linux. I started using Fedora on Cosmic and it is great! Mint is very similar to Windows UI |