| ▲ | Aurornis 3 hours ago |
| I think the comments here are a great example of why this idea always sounds better in nostalgic reminiscence than in practice: As I write this, nearly half of the comments here are complaining about this website. There are complaints about requiring JavaScript, the font size, the design, the color choices, the animations. Complaints about everything the designer did to make this site unique and personal, which was the entire point of the exercise. This is coming from a site that supposedly attracts the target audience for this type of page. |
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| ▲ | pavlus an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| I've read your comment before visiting the site, and it got me wondering -- how bad can it be? Can it be worse than those acid green on red sites of the 90s-00s? Imagine my surprise, when I opened the site and it looked and felt just like a museum or art exhibit. This was the literal feeling I had -- being at an art gallery, but online. I guess, these comments tell more about the commenters, than TFA. We should remind ourselves to be more critical to the content we consume, regardless where it comes from. |
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| ▲ | arjie 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think that social networks are not meant to be moderated at scale. We are meant to have what I call 'overlay networks': we occupy the same infrastructure but see content filtered to the style that befits us. Most social networks have the notion of friend symmetry, but I think that read-time filtering needn't be like that. To that end, I made a trivial Chrome extension and an equivalent CRUD backend that just helps me store lists of users I like and dislike. The former are highlighted, and the latter are simply removed from comments. As an example, the user I'm responding to is someone whose comments I like so I have had them in my highlight list for two months now and not regretted it https://overmod.org/lists/view?pk=ELpqNsanTYP9_wZXNjdF-FcEOc... My personal tool is particularly idiosyncratic but I think information sieving is particularly important these days, so I recommend everyone build something like this for themselves. One thing I've found it particularly helpful with is the usual outrage bait. But I also killfile users who I think particularly misunderstand the comments they respond to, and I also killfile users who express what I think are low-information views. |
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| ▲ | GaryBluto 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I designed an extension with a roughly similar aim that filters based upon various phrases and characteristics rather than the poster of the comments themselves. It collapses comments (via automatic triggering of HN's built-in collapsing feature) and adds a "reason" tag to the comment information, so I can choose whether or not to read it anyways. I feel the features with the most positive differences are the capitalization detector (hides all caps or all lowercase) and the character requirement. | | |
| ▲ | arjie 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That is very cool. It would be cool to see what you decided to filter on (other than the same-case filter and the char limit). I had a similar idea where I would run comments through a fast cheap LLM to evaluate whether they could be tagged in a certain way. I originally tried just pure word-stemming and phrase-based blocking and found that I couldn't tune it well for my uses. I also found that collapsing comments lead to my opening them out of curiosity. Thank you for sharing what works for you. I think it's great other people have been doing this style of read-side filtering. It's a pity that there's no way to inject code into mobile apps safely (i.e. this is an easy path to app-store rejection). Perhaps there's no option there but to push `shouldFilter` out to a server where you can run the logic. My use of my phone is the weakest link in my filtering strategy. |
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| ▲ | esseph an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Beware of trapping yourself in a manufactured social bubble of emotional comfortable | | |
| ▲ | bentcorner a few seconds ago | parent | next [-] | | Is that bad? I black-hole plenty of sites via pihole above and beyond the typical adblock lists. On a very few rare occasions I have turned off the pihole to unblock a site because I was curious after following a link that was blocked by said pihole. Every single time I quickly learned why that site was blocked, and visiting that site gained me nothing. | |
| ▲ | arjie 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | If it happens it happens. I can only hope that the result is boredom rather than increased engagement. |
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| ▲ | PunchyHamster an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Unique is not a quality hard to achieve And they are complaining precisely because it has pompous title. If it was "badly designed but personal website" there would be much less of that |
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| ▲ | ChuckMcM 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yup. Pretty much everything seems better when you're being nostalgic. And that is singularly due to the human tendency to forget the bad parts and remember only the good ones (it's a solid self care strategy). I had fond memories of programming my CP/M machine back in the day, built a re-creation and was painfully aware of how limiting a 25 line by 80 character display could be. Nostalgia, remembering the good times, reality some things really sucked too. Then there is the paradox of freedom to deal with, specifically if everyone is free to change anything they like to be the way they like it, other people will hate it and the entire system will be "bad." But for everyone to use the same basic frame work, and the dislike for the lack of freedom will be a common cause that builds community. Back in the early days of the web and SGML, the focus was reversed, which is to say "web" sites would just publish content and the "user" could apply what ever style they liked to get a presentation that worked for them. This infuriated web site authors who had their own idea about how their web site should look and act on your display. You were the consumer and they presented and if you didn't like it go somewhere else. You can still see vestiges of that with things like "use this font to show things" Etc. So yeah, nostalgia is never a good motivation for a manifesto. :-) |
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| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Y'know, the thing which you did is probably the best way to make use out of nostalgia. Like of course you had your CP/M machine and it had its restrictions but you are seeing them now with the added information of the current stage There were also things that you liked too and still like and they may be better than somethings in current time So you can then take things that you like and add it to modern or remove previous restrictions by taking access to modern upgrades. > So yeah, nostalgia is never a good motivation for a manifesto. :-) I think the problem's more so spiritual. The social contract is sort of falling off in most countries. So there is a nostalgia for the previous social contracts and the things which were with them like the old internet because to be honest the current monopolistic internet does influence with things like lobbying and chrony capitalism to actively break that social contract via corrupt schemes. People want to do something about it, but speaking as a young guy, we didn't witness the old era so we ourselves are frustrated too but most don't create manifesto's due to it and try to find hobbies or similar things as we try to find the meaning of our life and role in the world But for the people who have witnessed the old internet, they have that nostalgia to end up to and that's partially why they end up creating a manifesto of sorts themselves. The reality of the situation to me feels like things are slipping up in multiple areas and others. Do you really feel that the govt. has best interests for you, the average citizen? Chances are no, So this is probably why liberterian philosophy is really spreading and the idea of freedom itself. Heck I joined linux and the journey behind it all because I played a game and it had root level kernel access and I realized that there really was no way to effectively prove that it wasn't gone (it was chinese company [riot] so I wasn't sure if I wanted it) I ended up looking at linux and then just watched enough videos until I convinced myself to use it one day and just switched. But Most people are really land-locked into the Microsoft ecosystem, even tiny nuances can be enough for some. using Linux was the reason why I switched from trying to go from finance to computer science. I already knew CS but I loved finance too but In the end I ended up picking CS because I felt like there were chances of making real impact myself which were more unique to me than say chartered accountant. So my point is, I am not sure if I would even be here if I had even the slightest of nuances. Heck, I am not even much of a gamer but my first distro was nobara linux which focused on gaming because I was worried about gaming or worried about wine or smth. So I had switched to nobara. Looking now, I say to others oh just use this or that and other things and see it as the most obvious decisions sometimes but by writing this comment, I just wanted to say that change can be scary sometimes. > Then there is the paradox of freedom to deal with, specifically if everyone is free to change anything they like to be the way they like it, other people will hate it and the entire system will be "bad." But for everyone to use the same basic frame work, and the dislike for the lack of freedom will be a common cause that builds community. I would say let the man have his freedom. I would consider having more choices to be less of a burden than few choices in most occasions. Of course one's mind feels that there is a sweet spot but in longevity I feel like its the evolution of ideas and more ideas means more the competition and we will see more innovation as such. |
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| ▲ | thorum 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The real trend is toward personalization on the user’s side of things. Instead of interacting directly with a website, your web-browsing agent will extract the parts of the website you actually care about and present them to you in whatever format, medium and design style you prefer. |
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| ▲ | PunchyHamster an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I miss RSS too | |
| ▲ | IAmGraydon 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Where is that a trend? It really doesn’t work in most cases because often the information and the design are not separable. One needs the other to convey the intended meaning. |
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| ▲ | lazzlazzlazz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hacker News, probably noticeably since 2016 or so, has been a negative, curmudgeonly place. It has become political (toward the left), sclerotic, and bitterly nostalgic. It's bad and no longer represents the future. I notice it every time I visit. It's sad. |
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| ▲ | evantbyrne 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Hacker News, probably noticeably since 2016 or so, has been a negative, curmudgeonly place. It has become political (toward the left), sclerotic, and bitterly nostalgic. It's bad and no longer represents the future. I notice it every time I visit. It's sad. An easy way to help with the negativity is to stop leaving bait comments | | |
| ▲ | bbor 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Reminds me of on interaction a few months ago where I mentioned the left-right spectrum in passing and someone accused me of making HN a worse place, only to call me a "snowflake" in their very next response! As usual, "things shouldn't be so political" is often uttered from a highly-political sense of discomfort. The quintessential example for me was its usage in US anti-desegregation rhetoric in the 1960s, alongside its resurgence in the anti-DEI movement today -- demanding that no one discuss our shared institutions is too often an endorsement of them, rather than an honest effort to focus on something else. "toward the left" aside, it's always a little frustrating to read the ubiquitous "this place sucks" comments on here and Reddit. I have tons of problems with HN--both petty (markdown when??) and fundamental (SV/PE has metastasized in a discomforting way...)--but I'm still here because I love it, and think it's one of the best communities the internet has to offer. Specific critiques of specific people or ideas are always welcome, but comments like "everyone here is curmudgeonly" just makes me wonder why they bother to log on in the first place... | | |
| ▲ | jimbokun an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, you're an example of the tedious and unproductive political discourse being referenced. As long as someone labels any argument as "DEI" they are the good guys and immune from critique or any burden of evidence. | |
| ▲ | ErroneousBosh an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > "things shouldn't be so political" Skunk Anansi would likely disagree with that. |
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| ▲ | madeofpalk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I promise you Hacker News was exactly like this back in 2011. > It has become political (toward the left) I wonder what you're talking about - your definition of 'political' or 'left'. Tech and politics are so deeply intrenched. More than just "is DEI evil and there's no such thing as algorithmic bias". Should Apple be restricted from collecting its Apple Tax and locking down its devices?? Should the EU be able to regulate American companies? Should governments demand encryption back doors in devices? Should Australia ban teens from social network? Should there be a Right to Repair for our devices? Honestly one of my biggest gripes with HN is that it does seem to be a place where pretty regressive social viewpoints seem to flourish. | |
| ▲ | fouc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I disagree it's "toward the left" but I would also disagree if you said "toward the right". By that I mean I've observed BOTH extremes happening. | | |
| ▲ | jimbokun an hour ago | parent [-] | | We've seen the same kinds of discourse arrive here as is common on other social media sites, where too much political discourse is just signaling what tribe you belong to and vilifying anyone outside it. |
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| ▲ | OGEnthusiast 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's true of the US population in general too. Their quality of life has been decreasing due to accelerated globalization (sans the top ~10% of asset holders). | |
| ▲ | tkiolp4 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | HN is so depressing, but at the same time so Im addicted to it. It’s like tiktok but for people who enjoy plain text and hacking related stuff. When I first visited HN more than 10 years ago (without account) like, 90% of the content was exciting and you got to learn something. Nowadays it’s about 40-50%, and the rest is crap (including comments). I have been trying to leave HN, let’s see if I can do it in 2026. | | |
| ▲ | LPisGood 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Haven’t people been saying that since the late 2000’s? | | |
| ▲ | steveklabnik 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. The actual quote has links, the first of which is to a comment from 2009. | | |
| ▲ | dingnuts an hour ago | parent [-] | | particularly ironic comment from an HN/lobsters celebrity account lol this website isn't turning into Reddit, this website has been a pretentious orange subreddit for well over a decade if not right from the get go and a link to this site's Reddiquette page (just as ignored as on any subreddit!) is evidence TO that effect, and not against it! the fact that the link petuously denies reality notwithstanding! |
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| ▲ | bakugo an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, but why can't both be true? I don't get people who use "you say [thing] is getting worse but someone X years ago said the same!" as an argument that somehow proves [thing] isn't getting worse. Things can become progressively worse over long periods of time, it's not an instant change that can only happen once. Another context where I often see this "argument" is major Windows versions. People rightfully say they want to stay on Windows 10 because 11 is objectively worse in many ways, and someone jumps in to say "you said the same about 7 to 10" as if it's some sort of gotcha. Both complaints can be right, each new version can be worse than the last. Right now, we have at least one aspect in which HN has become objectively worse in the past years: AI-generated content. It didn't exist a decade ago, so good luck using that "argument" there. Thankfully, its prevalence is still nowhere near as bad as on Reddit (it's impossible to browse that site for 10 minutes without noticing bots posting blatant ChatGPT responses everywhere and getting hundreds of upvotes), but still. |
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| ▲ | trinsic2 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Its alright, were not all like that. I found the site cute, at least there are people standing up to the bullshit. I have been blogging about it on my site to https://www.scottrlarson.com/publications/ | |
| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I do feel like 40-50% signal ratio is still good compared to 90% HN did give me some leads in the start of just cool things to follow and I have been able to make an understanding of what things interest me and what don't due to it. And this has also been the reason I read a lot of comments etc. and content here, maybe more than I should. I don't know to me, building my own website and forum etc. are possible but they feel complicated and I still can't seem to get eye balls. On Hackernews Comments its easier personally to write something, get feedback on it, (improve?/learn?) Of course if one wants to optimize for eyeballs, they can probably go for reddit or twitter maxxing or similar because cmon this is exactly the stuff the article is talking about from what I see. Hackernews does indeed sit on the perfect spot. I feel like if you want more informationally dense topics, perhaps lobsters can be good for ya. https://lobste.rs/ | | |
| ▲ | BlackjackCF 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I always forget about lobste.rs because I never comment since I don’t have an account and don’t know anyway of getting an invite. |
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| ▲ | lisbbb 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The site that is really, insufferably toxic is LinkedIn. | |
| ▲ | zenlot 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Whereabout you plan to move? |
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| ▲ | onion2k 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hacker News, probably noticeably since 2016 or so, has been a negative, curmudgeonly place. No it hasn't. | | |
| ▲ | tux3 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >No it hasn't. I'm sorry, is it a 5 minute argument, or the full half-hour? |
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| ▲ | Y_Y 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is it "negative" to identify shitty things as being shitty? I wouldn't necessarily blame the commenters for that. | | |
| ▲ | jimbokun an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's useless without describing concrete, practical solutions to those problems. What do the voters want? Zero taxes, no crime, world peace and infinite benefits. It's easy to identify things as shitty because the above doesn't describe the world yet and thus it's a banal observation. Implementing real, practical improvements is really hard and requires much more thought and consideration and introduces the possibility of failure. Which is why that part isn't discussed as much. | | |
| ▲ | shimman 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Why don't people that perpetuate the current system defend its existence? Why is the onus on us to develop a new realm of government when the current system never had to do this? Your comment is "but you live in society too!" Society acknowledging the shitty things is the first action in rectifying them. |
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| ▲ | krapp 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Constantly? As if it were a psychological compulsion? So often that dang had to make a guideline about it, which no one even attempts to follow? Two actually - the guideline against being "curmudgeonly" is separate from the guideline against going on a tilt because you get triggered by any website that doesn't look and act as much like plaintext as possible. And yet if someone so much as cracks a joke they get rapped across the knuckles and lectured about a rule that doesn't actually exist (no humor allowed)? Yes, that's negative. That's a culture of performative misanthropy. | | |
| ▲ | gmd63 an hour ago | parent [-] | | You've convinced me, I'm going to stop complaining about corporate slop and the connection between big tech / VCs and the awful political situation in the most advanced country in the world. I will try to glaze Liquid Glass from here on out, say some nice things about the richest man on earth who kept quiet about the fact that he pays people to grind video games for him, and make sure to give David Sacks and Jason Calacanis the benefit of the doubt next time they are whining like babies online for a Silicon Valley Bank bailout. I think the OP website is pretty cool by the way. | | |
| ▲ | rightbyte an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > he pays people to grind video games for him The POE shilling might be what pisses me most off about him. | |
| ▲ | krapp 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | The compulsion to interpret people's comments in bad faith then retort with condescending snark is a problem too. But hey, at least it isn't memes, right? |
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| ▲ | wsatb 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It has become political (toward the left) I don’t feel this way at all. Maybe it’s one of the only places you’re actually consuming mixed opinions. | | |
| ▲ | yunnpp 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I will even go as far as stating that it is one of the only few places left on the Internet where you can see differing opinions interleave in a not-completely destructive manner. Really no idea what OP is talking about because it has not been at all my experience. |
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| ▲ | skeeter2020 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | comment from account created ~4 years before the supposed noticeable decline: Here's a content-free opinion post designed to trigger more of the negative comments I really hate, but I'll keep coming back. | |
| ▲ | Hammershaft 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The bitter politics can also be right wing and you can spot it when migration topics pop up. What distinguishes so much of the right wing and left wing politics is that so much of it is angry and zero sum. I've also been looking for greener pastures. Lobsters has better technical signal/noise but is much more bitter, zero sum, and political. | |
| ▲ | ErroneousBosh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It has become political (toward the left) Clever people tend to be on the political left. Computery people tend to be on the left because they have a higher level of literacy. That's also why there are no particularly successful right-wing comedians. | |
| ▲ | lisbbb 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I see the same thing. I don't know why I even bother to post here, habit mainly. I know I'm not changing any minds. | | |
| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am not sure, I would say I just joined hackernews for a year so I don't know the whole situation. but the way I see it, If I assume you are correct, hackernews is in a bit of rough spot because there was this one comment which did some analysis and it feels like hackernews is definitely saturating a bit/(peaked?) From my personal experience, I feel like we all just use reddit (as the article says) and so we just deal with the annoyances with it and not look for anything else. Or perhaps we join some discord communities. If people who are within Hackernews are resonating this statement, its in a tough spot because people say such things. Perhaps, its that Hackernews grew too big for some people and its too small for others. Perhaps one side's currently on reddit not even knowing about it and the other's complaining it on hackernews And perhaps there's also a middle sweet spot where people aren't complaining but nobody hears them either because they got nothing to complain. But from the outside what people see are other people complaining about hackernews on hackernews. Same goes for redditors too I guess. I checked your comment and it says 5 months, I had been assuming you were here for years from the tone but perhaps I was wrong. I don't know but to me hackernews felt like an information arbitrage of sorts which had these tid-bits of info which made me feel better if I ever were to do somethings like this or gave me confidence in myself in finding the right tool for the right job If you are tired of hackernews, I would suggest you to open up a fediverse lemmy instance about anything related to hackernews because of the masses perhaps, then you would have less people but more signal since clearly someone would be interested if you create a lemmy instance about similar topics to hackernews but the problem then becomes is if that thing stays idle. I see your concerns but do you have any suggestions, I see dang and others around here, I am sure if they could do something about it, they probably would? |
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| ▲ | FergusArgyll 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Once you understand this, you realize maybe it's not that something is wrong with LLMs, crypto, Google, Apple, Windows, Amazon, the US, Rust, not-rust, JavaScript, Israel, copyright & VCs. It's just a negative place. |
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| ▲ | nine_k 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The site indeed is trying to be an artistic treatise, as opposed to being a clear, easy-to-read manifesto. It touches many themes I have read about many times, so I skimmed most of the content. It came to the expected indie-web conclusions and recommendations. Indie Web, while nice and fascinating, lacks the large audience. You write things down, and nobody cares. Well, maybe a few friends who keep an eye, and a hiring manager when your candidacy is considered for another job. Some people are fine with that, and just enjoy the process of producing content, and seeing it published. They are a minority. Most people come to consume more than to produce, and to get quick feedback. The most efficient way for an indie website to gain an audience is to be briefly featured on one of these bad, terrifying behemoths of the current Web, like Reddit, or Xitter, or, well, HN. A few dozen people will bookmark it, or subscribe to the RSS feed. Sites that are true works of art and craft, like https://ciechanow.ski/, will get remembered more widely, but true works of art are rare. It is, definitely, very possible to build a rhizome of small indie sites, along the lines of Web 1.0. But they would also benefit from a thoughtful symbiosis with the "big bad" giants of the modern Web. |
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| ▲ | snorbleck 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| unique has gone away. everything must fit into some cookie-cutter pre-formatted mold that everyone has to agree upon OR ELSE! |
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| ▲ | nativeit 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Gimme 10 minutes, notepad, and 10,000 GIFs, and I'll give you the World [Wide Web] of my youth. |
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| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The best design is invisible |
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| ▲ | d-lisp 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can only be blind for things you cannot notice. What you cannot notice is what shapes your "noticement" ability. The best design is the shape of your perception. The best design is already implemented in your reception of reality. The quest for "good design" is a game. On the other hand, your aesthetical culture and the shape of your perception create a system in which elements are more or less "understandable", "readable", "accessible". The game of design does not have stable rules and is inconsistent among world populations. "No design" is impossible, the nature of reality is such that entities are embodied. To be embodied is to be rendered in the game of design. Ideas are not embodied OR their apparent embodiment in the game of design (electrical information ?) does not contain their content for the observer. "No design" is perceptually inintelligible. | | |
| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, the medium is the message. But if the medium distracts from the message it means they are not aligned well (side note I put your comment into LLM to make sense of what it meant re my comment without mentioning HN, it said "this is a classic Hacker News–style metaphysical sidestep: You made a practical design aphorism, He responded with ontology and epistemology.
That usually signals polite disagreement or intellectual one‑upmanship" LOL) | | |
| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > (side note I put your comment into LLM to make sense of what it meant re my comment without mentioning HN, it said "this is a classic Hacker News–style metaphysical sidestep: You made a practical design aphorism, He responded with ontology and epistemology. That usually signals polite disagreement or intellectual one‑upmanship" LOL) Woah homie, watch out for the model which is trained on reddit comments dataset to talk about intellectual one-upmanship xD Also another thing but holy shit, LLM's are sycophantic man, it tries uses big words itself to show how the person has intellectual one-upmanship while cozying you up by saying practical design aphorism. Like I agree with both of you guys and there's nuance but I am pretty sure that nobody's tryna sound intellectual hopefully. Sorry for turning this into a rant about LLM's being sycophantic but man I tried today watching big bang and asked it if sheldon and raj were better duo in more common about physics (theorist and astrophysicist) since I was watching a episode where they both have dark matter in common and chatgpt agreed Then I just felt the sycophancy in my heart so I opened up a new thread and I think I used the same prompt and changed it to sheldon and leonard and it ended up saying yes again. The problem felt so annoying to me that I ended up looking at a sycophancy index being frustrated of sorts and wrote a lengthy ddg prompt lol to find this https://www.glazebench.com/ We really don't need more yes man's in our lives and honestly I will take up a less intelligent model than a sycophantic one. So I am curious what your guys opinion are on it too as sometimes I use LLM's as a search engines to familiarize myself with things I don't know and I am lately feeling it will just say yes to anything even silly ideas so I would never know what's the truth matter of the reality ykwim? | | |
| ▲ | CGMthrowaway an hour ago | parent [-] | | LLMs say yes to a lot. I often find myself priming it first with "absolute mode" type prompts before dealing with it. And also keeping my own opinions close to my chest | | |
| ▲ | d-lisp an hour ago | parent [-] | | Seriously for my part, LLMs incarns exactly the only type of person that can break my nerves. Far too often I spot an hallucination, some bullshit rambling, sycophancy, or ----hughhhhh----- rethorical elements of language that makes me go mad :(. examples for ---hughhhhh--- inducing stuff : "I'll be blunt !" "Here's the ground truth, no bullshit" "Bottom line : <UPPER CASE EXPRESSION>" "No fluff, technical, precise, no bullshit, devoid of unnecessary rethorical shapes, <etc..." "Blunt answer: <bold text>" "<title> : the hard truth" I am becoming snob ? |
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| ▲ | d-lisp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Pragmatically, you can design things to be highly readable for yourself and people that are "like you". Alignment between the shape and the content is done in a circular fashion : what you see educates you to fabulate about design, once you fabulated enough you begin to say things are bad or well designed. I often express myself online by writing a bit what goes through my mind, in a joyful and not very attentive manner, and I find it amusing to be barely understandable sometimes (I like the fact you had to use an LLM, lol) because, well, I feel it may bring a certain color to the otherwise often too uniform and immediate/instantaneous world of internet -- So, what I said previously is also mostly what occurs when you let your mind wander; now, if I rejoin my own person and body, I can agree with you that my culture of good design is about the testimony of the removal of intention, in such a way that I feel content is highly readable, (fictionnaly) devoid of style, and somewhat raw or pure. But again, at the "philosophical stage" all of this is pure fiction, and with a certain mindset, I am pretty sure I could shift my habits to adapt to what I feel as weird design, ugly, barely readable etc... It would be totally useless and absurd, but I could (given I have no specific perception-related medical conditions) ! We saw the web become a repetition of the same design, and while it IS good design in our "minimalism" addicted brains, I am pretty sure stumbling upon weiiiiird websites makes us great good sometimes, so much that maybe we also start to think about the absurdity of our standards : we arrived to the point in the "lie" where we identify this specific style as "the shape" of our perception, and yes : it become invisible to us, and is good design, but also it is a bit depressing. My window manager and my emacs/vim/terminal configuration aren't what I call good design. They are highly readable but stratosphere-reaching levels of kitsch (yes ! I WANT to cosplay and feel as if I was writing code for aliens or to fight the matrix at work, and yes that's a bit cringe but at least I am honest with myself). I don't wish the world and internet to be "more like that" and am ok with the actual state of design. Nevertheless I find that's a bit arbitrary and somewhat boring. |
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| Welcome to the web. It’s this behavior that has led me to pursue more analog endeavors. I still need it to work but when I’m not working, I’m not online. |