| ▲ | icqFDR 3 hours ago |
| I’d advise anyone buying e-books on Amazon to think it through carefully. My account was banned recently because, years ago, I ordered two paper books that Amazon said would be split into two shipments. Both books arrived without any issues, but later Amazon refunded me for one of them, claiming that one package never arrived. This happened 4–5 years ago. Apparently, during a recent review, they decided this counted as fraud and banned my account. As a result, I can no longer log in and lost access to all my Kindle e-books. They also remotely wiped my Kindle, so my entire library is gone. I appealed the decision, but I’ve been waiting for over six months with no resolution. |
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| ▲ | egeozcan 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| A friend of mine received a double shipment for a $300 order. Being honest, he contacted customer service to arrange a return. Everything seemed fine until a few days later when he noticed they had also refunded his original payment. He reached out again to let them know, and they said they’d just recharge his card. Apparently, that transaction failed (no clear reason why), and without any warning, they banned his account, wiping out his entire Kindle library in the process. Amazon works wonderfully right up until it fails spectacularly. |
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| ▲ | kshacker 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I wonder just like retailers are required to account for local sales taxes (I know it is not that clear cut), there should be some enforcement mechanism to settle disputes locally. Setup an agency which "legally" provides support for google, Amazon, and all those unreachable entities. Provides local jobs as well as quick grievance redressal. Maybe something like consumer protection agency but not federal, maybe at least one per county maybe more depending on the population. Edit - I don't mind paying for the service. Maybe charge everyone $99 to file a case to avoid everyone piling on, but it helps resolve most egregious ones, and fee could be refunded at the agency's discretion. | | |
| ▲ | andylynch 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can't speak for how effective the process is, but this is the idea behind the EU/UK GPSR's Authorised Representative framework - though not exactly local (that would be excessive, since GPSR also applies to much smaller sellers too) | |
| ▲ | RobotToaster 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Some kind of court, for small claims? | | |
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| ▲ | exe34 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I never bought any ebooks off Amazon without removing the drm at the time. I did buy a lot of shows and movies, but if they take those away, I'll just pirate them, given I've already paid. |
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| ▲ | cassianoleal 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's the point of DRM-free ebooks though, isn't it? You download them and keep them safe so if the provider decides to cut access to your account, you remain in possession of the goods. So the correct advice would be to avoid anyone buying DRM-encumbered digital property - the same as RMS has been making for who knows how long! |
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| ▲ | ajdude 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's safer to assume that Amazon is always acting in bad faith and search to purchase your DRM free e-books from other vendors. There's plenty of other options out there besides Amazon | | |
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| ▲ | al_borland an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Banning long-time customers in otherwise good-standing for a mistake they made years ago, which would already be settled financially and such a minor cost is wild. I can imagine something like this has happened to almost everyone. So much for being the world’s most customer-centric company. That mission is dead. |
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| ▲ | nippoo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They failed to deliver a Pixel phone to me - they never even tried to deliver it and the status said "permanent delivery failure" so I assumed they'd automatically refund me. Fast forward a few months, I never received a refund and they claim they have no record any more. I could chargeback my credit card but I imagine I'd also be permanently banned from Amazon - so instead I accept they've just stolen $1000 from me with no recourse... (if anyone from Amazon is reading this, my email is in my bio!) |
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| ▲ | MaKey an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It seems wild to me to just accept a loss of $1000 for something that isn't your fault. I'd be persistent in each contact with Amazon and if you're really not getting anywhere I'd go to small claims court or do a chargeback. | |
| ▲ | robin_reala 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For $1k stolen from me I think I’d go with not shopping at Amazon again, tbh. | | |
| ▲ | mynameisash an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I get that Amazon is incredibly convenient, but $1000 is $1000 no matter which company takes it from you. If some local mom and pop shop effectively stole $1000 from me, you can bet your ass I'd never patronize them again. | | |
| ▲ | II2II 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They never said they continued to patronize Amazon. Given the thread kicked off with claims about loosing access to DRMed content due to an unrelated delivery/payment issue, the person involved may be concerned about loosing access to digital content. Some people spend a lot of money on books, movies, etc.. The $1000 may be a drop in the bucket. |
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| ▲ | philo_sophia 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just ask for the refund. If they lock your account you can always make a new one (gonna be a scary day when that isn't possibl cuz they use biometrics or something.....). But if they just close your account in response to asking for a rightful refund.... Literal thievery | |
| ▲ | gorbachev 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Something similar happened to me. The delivery company returned two packages, two separate orders, as damaged back to Amazon. They were marked as "delivered". They automatically refunded just one item in one of the returned orders. I had to call them to get a refund for all the items on all the orders, and even then they had a lot of difficulty figuring out what was happening. Isn't Amazon supposed to be a world leader (maybe after Walmart) in this stuff? | |
| ▲ | deltaburnt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Much less money lost, but Amazon is notorious for not providing free game codes that are supposed to be included with GPU purchases. The customer rep at first apologized and offered a small refund (less than the cost of the game). A later rep started implying I was trying to defraud Amazon. Many people online share similar experiences. Wonder how much money this wide-scale fraud saves them. | |
| ▲ | mgr86 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | wait is your email really username@username.net? I registered java.lang.string (at) gmail back when I was learning java 20+ years ago. Haven't really used it in over a decade though. | |
| ▲ | everdrive 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That should be the last straw. In the least, why haven't you closed your account? | |
| ▲ | dust-jacket an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, this is silly. Don't do this. You absolutely keep pushing for a refund and go via you CC provider if they don't respond. | | |
| ▲ | barbazoo an hour ago | parent [-] | | And risk being locked out of the world’s online marketplace and all of Amazon’s other businesses? Maybe a bit hyperbolic but that’s where we are headed for sure. |
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| ▲ | ekjhgkejhgk 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What is that you say? Stallman was right again? https://stallman.org/amazon.html |
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| ▲ | huijzer 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm also particularly skeptical of Amazon because our Kindle Direct Publishing account was banned also for no reason. They said something about me having had a previous account before, but I'm not sure that was true and I think it was a very extreme measure. We were actually selling books at the time until we got banned. They obviously also "forgot" to pay out the most recent month. |
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| ▲ | Insanity 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Damn that is scary. I’ve been reading on Kindle since 2017, I have about 200 books on there. I doubt I would re-read many of them, but my partner is still going through some of them (with the family library thing). I’d be pissed if it got wiped. |
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| ▲ | zecg an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'd download epubs of everything from Anna's Archive and/or soulseek (Nicotine+ is nice) and kindly tell them to fuck off with their account. |
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| ▲ | mathieuh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I saw the writing on the wall when they recently removed the facility to download your own books. I downloaded all of them, removed the DRM with Calibre, and now obtain e-books through other sources. |
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| ▲ | wrxd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Unfortunately bad press is likely going to be the only thing to give you your account back.
You should write a blog post and let the internet and the media do its magic |
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| ▲ | mapt 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The only reason for a recent review (like with all the recently banned Facebook accounts from 2009) is firing up AI tools that didn't exist 5 years ago. |
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| ▲ | ashu1461 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Amazon used to be really customer centric 5-10 years ago, I remember once I ordered a physical book which was late in delivery and I urgently needed that book, so they gave me a free kindle edition till the book got delivered. |
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| ▲ | delichon an hour ago | parent [-] | | Last week I had a vendor tell me that they did warranty service through Amazon, and I should contact Amazon for a replacement, even though I was outside of their return window. It turned out to be a lie. But Amazon refunded me the full amount anyway, without prompting. The handful of times I've contacted Amazon tech support this has been my experience. The previous one was when they replaced a $250 porch pirated delivery, no questions asked. This behavior genuinely earns them more of my business. | | |
| ▲ | bombcar 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The "danger" of their policies (and I've benefitted from them, too) is that they obviously can be gamed, and they obviously have to have defenses against that - which means if you cross some invisible line (and now likely AI-monitored) you're doomed; no recourse. |
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| ▲ | p2detar an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| About Kindle, if you're in Europe, you could try Nextory or BookBeat. They don't have as much content, but are good services nevertheless. |
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| ▲ | sheepscreek 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That is truly insane - sorry that you’re unable to access the books that you rightly purchased. Though I highly doubt this alone was the reason for an account ban. Is it possible your credentials were stolen/misused without your knowledge? |
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| ▲ | icqFDR 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That’s possible, but I can’t know for sure because Amazon never provided any concrete details. I didn’t receive any warning emails, only a cryptic message after the ban: > "Amazon.co.uk found that the rate at which refunds were occurring on your account was extraordinary and could not continue." After looking through my order history, the only refund I could find on this account was the one related to the book I mentioned above. If there was any other activity or misuse, Amazon hasn’t disclosed it to me, which makes it impossible to verify or dispute their conclusion. |
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| ▲ | qmr 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| File suit. |
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| ▲ | ctrlmeta 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > As a result, I can no longer log in and lost access to all my Kindle e-books. Can't you file a suit in a small claims court? |