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eleveriven 16 hours ago

The fact that families have to crowdfund lifesaving care creates the vulnerability but it doesn't force anyone to build an industrialized scam on top of it

xeonmc 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

    Local man embezzles $20,000 meant to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine.
lionkor 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Orphan crushing machine operator: "If I don't do it, someone else will"

j-krieger 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Orphan crushing proponent: "Why should I pay for orphans not to be crushed??"

fireflash38 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's money to be made on arbitration of orphan crushing! If I don't do it someone else will.

reactordev 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Introducing “The Automatic Orphan Crusher 9000” complete with conveyor belt fed chutes and titanium jaws, no orphan can escape! Just place a piece of candy…”

barbazoo 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Does it have AI?

reactordev 11 hours ago | parent [-]

That would be part of our Orphan Industries plan for managing output of your 9000s on the industrial floor. Sure. Monitor throughput and TTK right there from the app.

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867-5309 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

there is no trolley

fwipsy 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This framing is disingenuous. We're meant to say "tear down the orphan-crushing machine!" But in this case there's no machine, only human mortality. You're substituting a simple question ("why are we crushing orphans?") for a complex one ("who should pay for poor children's healthcare?")

Also, the scale seems much larger than $20k.

MSFT_Edging 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> doesn't force anyone to build an industrialized scam on top of it

The incentives are there. Our economy runs on incentives. Create a vulnerable group and the sharks smell blood in the water.

laughingcurve 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Incentives don’t remove agency. They might have incentives… but these are awful scum who deserve nothing but contempt

MSFT_Edging 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No but it provides a framework to begin thinking about ways we can protect the vulnerable from these contemptible but totally predictable bad actors.

For example, families forced to publicly beg for money to provide their sick children with treatment. What societal structures enable this situation to occur? Who is profiting off of this structure?

pbhjpbhj 7 hours ago | parent [-]

You'd have to be inconscionably crass to profiteer off charities treating kids for cancer ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Trump_Foundation "Granting money to charities that rented Trump Organization facilities".

IAmBroom 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, that's a pretty bold stance. Scammers who steal from dying children are bad people? Geez...

philipallstar 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No-one is hoarding a free and easy supply of treatments. They're all hard-won advancements. The vulnerability is there by default.

hermannj314 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Whether taxes, health insurance, the Church, or gofundme, technically all life saving care is mostly crowd-funded. Maybe not in some Wild West dystopia, but generally the pooling of funds seems to work better than solo funding.

Involuntary, progressive crowdfunding through government threat of violence (taxes) seems to work better than the other methods and most consider it humane. Americans have shown little interest historically in doing the humane thing, unfortunately.

buellerbueller 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Taxes: the price one must pay for civilization.

delfinom 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>but it doesn't force anyone to build an industrialized scam on top of it

I mean almost the entirety of the US healthcare system is a industrialized scam engineered by middlemen