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majormajor 10 hours ago

I don't think that adds up.

"Staying in a hotel with a romantic partner and/or family" is at least as primary a use case for hotels as "staying in a hotel with a platonic friend" and is still a scenario where you want a door but is NOT a scenario where "just get separate rooms" is a logical conclusion. "Get the hell out of that hotel and complain about it to everyone you know," on the other hand, is.

The much more specific way to target platonic buddies/coworkers from sharing a room would be eliminating rooms with two beds since the "couple" scenario would generally be perfectly happy with that still.

godelski 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Also even in the single person case I want to have the bathroom door closed when I take a shower because it keeps the heat in. Which is why I also dislike (most of) the barn door style doors. I can't be the only one that likes to step out of the shower and into a nice and steamy room. Like what, you want to step out and be cold? That's masochistic.

Not to mention no door doesn't bother me with another person because I can easily avoid "seeing them do their business" by being in the main room. I've never been in a hotel room where the bathroom door faces the beds. It's always in the hall just after entering the room. I'm sure there's exceptions but that's the standard setup.

chasil 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I stayed in this place where the shower was directly adjacent to the bed, and the commode had its own separate room.

https://hunters.com.co/

It had some other interesting problems.

godelski 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Ahhhh... nothing like sleeping in a wet bed... full of mold...

It could have been worse. They could have put the toilet there and you could be smelling the sewer all night...

noduerme 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For the same reason, I hate the showers without a door in a bathroom with a door. I've never understood the reason for that.

sam-cop-vimes 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can't book my grown up kids into the same room because of this reason. Utter stupidity or callousness, can't tell which.

jmye 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don’t know how to ask this without it seeming like snark, but as genuinely as I can ask (and with the assumption that we otherwise agree there should just be a door):

Why don’t you just turn on the heat in the room?

godelski 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Locality and humidity.

I also don't mean to be snarky here, because I'm not sure how to say this in a way that can't be interpreted that way and feel like I'm just explaining being human...

The answer is really just physics. The feeling of comfort is generally about differential in temperature, not absolute. (That's also a logarithmic relationship too) So to have that nice feeling of stepping out of a hot shower then the room needs to be a decently high temperature. Mind you, you're also wet. This makes the temperature differential more influential. So two things happen when you dry off. You no longer have that water to transfer and maintain heat and you've also cooled down a bit. Now when you walk into the normal room temperature the differential isn't so bad.

If I turn the temperature up in the whole hotel room I will then have to turn it down. Now that introduced AC and we have the opposite problem... Plus both get rid of humidity.

To be snarky and try to be a bit humorous:

Haven't you ever noticed that 100F/38C is "hotter" and more uncomfortable in a humid environment than in a dry environment? Haven't you ever noticed that 15F/-10C is "colder" in a humid environment? Haven't you noticed that being in a hot tub or sauna is comfortable but if it was that temperature outside you'd be cursing the gods? Haven't you noticed that in the summer 50F/10C is cold and most people won't wear a short sleeve shirt yet if it was the winter that's a nice day to go out and wear shorts? Haven't you... lived in a body?

It's winter man, here's a trivial experiment for you:

  - Heat up your house:
    - Shower with door open
    - Shower with door closed
  - Don't heat up your house:
    - Shower with door open
    - Shower with door closed
Tell me the results. Which is the most comfortable? Also tell me your power bill for each day... You can figure this out in 4 days with essentially no cost of time or effort?
mrandish 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> eliminating rooms with two beds

Quick tip I discovered when traveling with my teenage daughter: a lot of hotel sites are now unclear on whether a booking is for a room with one or two beds. I found that listing "occupants" as 3 would usually force such sites to sort for rooms with two beds (even though there would only be two of us). Assuming there's no breakfast included, the price is usually the same for 2 or 3.

ruszki 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I’ve been to Los Angeles recently, and they wanted to give us a single bed room for 3 of us, and they told us that “some” wants the one bed option for 3 adults for whatever reason.

caminante 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not a good tip.

You now play games with per person occupancy fees/taxes upon arrival, instead of screening available information.

noduerme 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What country is this? I've never seen a hotel site that didn't sell rooms as either 2 Queen or 1 King. If I didn't know it was a king bed I wouldn't book it. Does that now make me a spoiled first world rich person?

mrandish 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This particular trip was in Europe but I also encountered it on a different trip to Las Vegas. It occurred on some hotel sites but quite a few hotel aggregator sites.

ghaff 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Does that now make me a spoiled first world rich person?

Sort of. I'll take a King by choice but if a Queen is the only option I don't really have an issue with that. And I'm not a short person.

xp84 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Generally, what I’ve seen is on travel sites like Priceline, sometimes they list a room as like “standard room” and they don’t specify and (in the fine print) explicitly do not guarantee how many beds - with some cheaper rates. Basically trying to discourage people from booking them. The thinking being if you don’t wanna end up in 1 King bed with your bro, you’ll pay the extra $13 for the explicitly 2-bed room, which is always listed as well.

noduerme 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

Which is odd, since I feel like I always end up paying $13 extra for one king bed with my girlfriend to make sure we're not sleeping in a queen next to an empty one

saurik 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So like, in the United States, if you book directly via Marriott, the number of beds isn't guaranteed unless you have some reasonable status at the hotel.

noduerme 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

If you book a queen room isn't it always 2 beds? A king room is usually 1 bed. Is there some option where it's just totally random what room you get? I don't have any Marriott status but going on their site I can clearly see a choice of rooms, and each one says what amenities it has.

ehnto 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Heeey clever. I really struggled with this while travelling with my brother in Japan. None of the aggregation sites filtered on number of beds even though they had that data in the listing.

decimalenough 8 hours ago | parent [-]

This is not going to work well in Japan, since very few city hotel rooms have room for three guests.

Fortunately Japanese bedding naming is quite standardized: search for twin/ツイン and you'll get rooms with two beds.

AniseAbyss 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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lokar 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it’s at least partly right (few things are simple enough to have one cause).

A lot of businesses ask co-workers to share a room on trips. Business travel is a large share of reservations.

rand846633 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s wild to me that anyone would agree to go on a work trip where they are expected to share the room where they are sleeping. What an insane thing from a company to want.

So they want to save a few bucks for which I am expected to trade not just my privacy but also my good night rest (who knows if one of us snores) against a few dollars of profit margin for my employer?

If they cannot afford sending me on a business trip they probably shouldn’t do so.

What kind of company are doing so?

citizenpaul 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How do you complain and go to another hotel if every single hotel is owned by four companies that are colluding together to do the same thing. This ignores the very obvious fact that you may not want to search for a hotel at 2AM in a strange city when you are exhausted. Keep making excuses for your masters though, this is the world you live in.

Marriot,Hilton,IGT,Hyatt own almost all hotels in any area you want to go to.

Enshittification is not just for apps anymore.

WheatMillington 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's hard to understand what you want here... No one is making excuses for the hotels? Literally "don't stay there, go somewhere else, and tell everyone you know" is as much power as an individual can possibly muster in this situation. Why do you think this is "making excuses for your masters"? What is your solution?

amadiver 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> don't stay there, go somewhere else, and tell everyone you know

You might be very comfortable sharing the story about the situation, but I hope you can appreciate that not everyone else would be.

aaomidi 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Regulation is when individual action isn’t enough.

Regulation is a form of collective action.

kijin 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And it doesn't even need to be government regulation.

The hospitality industry has self-imposed standards as to what kind of amenities a facility should have in order to rate as a two-star hotel, three-star hotel, etc. Things like TV, shampoo, and hair dryer are on that list. If customers make enough noise about bathroom doors, the rating organizations might actually add that as a requirement.

aaomidi 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Yep! Government regulation is basically when the industry puts their heads way too far into the sand.

kortilla 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Regulation isn’t a collective action, at least not in the US. People don’t regulate hotels will ballot measures so you’re left with whatever the whims are of some representative.

inopinatus 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The mistake is assuming we have to act as individuals.

venturecruelty 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Turns out, society can actually do things collectively when a bunch of people work together instead of just pulling the libertarian "move your family into the woods and suffer" lever that's so popular online.

toast0 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Marriot,Hilton,IGT,Hyatt own almost all hotels in any area you want to go to.

Best Western, Choice, Wyndham, IHG (typo?), Accor, Blackstone (Motel6), Radisson, Red Lion, Red Roof. Etc. There's lots of choices.

Many (most?) hotels are franchises and the name on the hotel can change. I haven't run into a hotel with no bathroom door yet, but I only have 2-3 stays a year and one is usually in the same hotel every year. I have noticed housekeeping creeping back up to mostly every day though.

ghaff 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I was a bit surprised that a Marriott property I was staying in in NYC a couple weeks ago actually had daily housekeeping service. I didn't really care but hadn't seen that in a while.

verst 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Very common. Every Autograph Collection, Luxury Collection, JW Marriott, Marriott, Westin, W, St Regis, Le Meridien, etc has daily housekeeping - and many of those brands / collections have turn down service too.

themerone 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm very surprised that you find this surprising. Do you mostly stay at Airbnb? I expect this at any traditional hotel in the US.

ghaff 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have stayed in Airbnb once in my life. I find very few hotels, including the big chains--and even leaving aside serviced apartments--do daily room service these days.

kortilla 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you been… not traveling since COVID? Marriott and Hilton cut daily housekeeping during that period and then kept that by default at many properties (at least in the western US).

You have to request it special and some properties still won’t make the bed daily even with a request. They’ll just bring extra towels.

astura 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hotels (at least the major ones) will always clean your room daily if you ask them to. The "new" part is that sometimes you have to ask because some hotels (especially since COVID) have moved to a more on-demand/personalized cleaning schedule rather than cleaning everyday by default.

I personally prefer on-demand.

the_af 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What's the explanation for housekeeping? I actually prefer very little to no housekeeping, especially for short stays.

ghaff 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Historically housekeeping was daily and it largely went away during COVID.

These days, some people see scaled-back housekeeping as sort of a ripoff while others of us are fine without the sometimes interruptions.

Nextgrid 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> while others of us are fine without the sometimes interruptions

The "do not disturb" card is always there. You can always decline housekeeping, but it's nice to have it available (and it's not like prices went lower to compensate for the lack of it anyway).

venturecruelty 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, since "laws" are outside the current Overton window, we could always do a hotel startup that becomes worse than the hotels we're trying to replace within ten years or so.

sebastiennight 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Next up: "Bring bathroom doors back to AirBnBs"

meowface 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've stayed at a lot of hotels. I have almost never been in one that didn't have a proper bathroom door.

SoftTalker 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I stay at Hilton properties whenever I can and they always seem to allow filters for number of beds. Not sure about bathroom doors though.

noduerme 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Eh, at 2am you ask a taxi driver for a local non-chain hotel and see where the night takes you. Honestly the endless ability of people to complain about corporate control when they're unwilling to try anything potentially sketchy is annoying. Don't like staying at the four companies? Ask a local or wander into somewhere and ask the front desk. Don't blame corporations for your lack of adventurism.

lotsofpulp 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Marriot,Hilton,IGT,Hyatt own almost all hotels in any area you want to go to.

Technically, they own almost none of the hotels. The hotel owners buy the franchises, and hence follow the brand standards.