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nayuki 14 hours ago

We eliminated pennies in Canada in 2012 and the transition was a non-issue. The vast majority of retailers would round cash transactions to the nearest $0.05, but a few would round down to the nearest $0.05 in favor of the customer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_low-denomination...

Canadian cash is better than American cash in several ways: No penny, durable polymer banknotes (instead of dirty wrinkly cotton paper), colorful banknotes (instead of all green) that are easy to distinguish, $1 and $2 coins in wide circulation (instead of worn-out $1 bills).

mynameisash 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> the transition was a non-issue

I'm reminded of when Minnesota passed the Minnesota Clean Indoor Air Act (MCIAA) close to 20 years ago. (Some) restauranteurs - along with the GOP - made pronouncements about how this would destroy the economy. No one would go to out to eat or for a drink again. Doom and gloom.

Last I checked, there are plenty of restaurants open in the state, and things are going fine. In fact, just before the MCIAA went into effect, I had a newborn, and we went out to eat one time with him in tow. We asked for a non-smoking area but were placed immediately next to a family chain smoking. We decided to never go out to eat again until we could do so without risk of second-hand smoke.

My point is that there are frequently these predictions of things being impossible or even just incredibly difficult and not worth the effort, and in the end, it's not a big deal.

dragonwriter 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I'm reminded of when Minnesota passed the Minnesota Clean Indoor Air Act (MCIAA) close to 20 years ago. (Some) restauranteurs - along with the GOP - made pronouncements about how this would destroy the economy. No one would go to out to eat or for a drink again. Doom and gloom.

Yeah, they had done the same thing when California did the same thing 30 years ago. The fact that it didn't happen then didn't stop them from doing it everywhere else similar laws were subsequently proposed.

MrMorden 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People overestimated the importance that smokers placed on being able to smoke in public.

A Japanese airline (Air Do) tried reintroducing the smoking section in the 1990s. It did not go well for them, and Japan's tobacco use rate was several times the US's.

totallykvothe 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'll agree on all but one point. The cotton/linen notes feel so much better in the hand than the candy wrapper plastic of Canadian bills. I know it's a dumb reason, but I just hate the feeling.

stevage 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Australian here. Barely anyone uses cash anymore. It's weird to see debates about moving towards technology we had 35 years ago which we don't even use anymore.

SCUSKU 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Plus US dollars just have that smell to them. I wouldn't mind though if we rotated out some of the faces on the bills, e.g. Andrew Jackson

bregma 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is that what cocaine smells like?

khannn 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Cocaine and feces smells like freedom

dmd 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You do know who would be the first person to rotate in, don't you.

nilamo 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It would obviously be someone as equally legendary as Washington or Jefferson; noted American Paul Bunyan. We can even call them Big Blue Bucks.

debatem1 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My politics and his don't line up but I'm not against this. It would be pretty interesting to see the impact on cash usage, and faces on money are pretty archeologically useful-- at least on coins.

verdverm 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

let's wait a few years before rotating faces to avoid debating another blatantly illegal thing Dear Leader would propose (actually he already did but it was out of the news rather quickly)

rz2k 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am suspicious of any claims about relative cleanliness. As with wooden vs plastic cutting boards, our intuitions are likely misleading.

To be an effective fomite the currency has to not kill the microbe, and it has to readily give up the microbe to the next recipient. Organic materials like cotton or linen seem more likely to simply absorb a viral envelope or bacterial cell wall, thereby rendering it ineffective. Furthermore, the porous nature makes it more difficult for the note to give up any microbe that isn't immediately killed before it naturally dies over time.

A brief search of the scientific literature doesn't seem to show any conclusive results, but it does seem like the relative performance is pathogen specific.

zahlman 11 hours ago | parent [-]

"Dirty" also connotes physical appearance, you know.

simonw 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The linked article raises a few problems that the US could have with that solution:

> Four states - Delaware, Connecticut, Michigan and Oregon - as well as numerous cities, including New York, Philadelphia, Miami and Washington, DC, require merchants to provide exact change.

ianferrel 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This seems like a non-issue as long as they round the price down. Because there's no law that the store can't discount their total by a small amount and then provide exact change.

"Congratulations customer, we have a special coupon today for $0.03 off your purchase. Here's your change :)"

simonw 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> In addition, the law covering the federal food assistance program known as SNAP requires that recipients not be charged more than other customers. Since SNAP recipients use a debit card that’s charged the precise amount, if merchants round down prices for cash purchases, they could be opening themselves to legal problems and fines, said Jeff Lenard, spokesperson for NACS.

dghlsakjg 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So just round snap transactions too, not just cash ones. Now SNAP recipients are never paying more than any other customer for the same basket of goods.

giantg2 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So how do they account for people who use coupons or rewards cards today? Those create a discount that technically result in charging some customers less than others, including SNAP users. In the case of rounding, you wouldn't be charging SNAP user any more that other users who use cards for payment. The point of the law was to prevent stores from charging surcharges etc on food stamp users back in the day.

kevin_thibedeau 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Rewards are taken from merchant fees. The retailer isn't party to that rebate. Likewise, coupons are almost always funded by the manufacturer who returns those monies to the store.

giantg2 11 hours ago | parent [-]

"Rewards are taken from merchant fees."

That would be true for credit card fees, but not for stuff like loyalty card discounts.

"Likewise, coupons are almost always funded by the manufacturer who returns those monies to the store."

It doesn't matter. The store is the one charging the customer. As stated, the law says the store cannot charge SNAP recipients more. Thus it would be a violation if we are taking it strictly.

darthcircuit 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When I lived in Australia, those paying with card were charged the exact amount. Those paying cash would round to the nearest 5 cents, in the customer’s favor. I suspect the same will happen here.

MostlyStable 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't see why you couldn't do it in either case. If you modify the actual price, then you are giving exact change. Why wouldn't round() be as valid a price modification as floor()?

ianferrel 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Presumably "increase the price a small amount to avoid giving exact change" is exactly the sort of thing that laws requiring giving exact change were designed to prevent.

There will surely be some customer pissed about the extra 2 cents they were charged who will raise hell over the exact change law.

But what customer is going to be upset over a small discount?

simonw 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Maybe sales tax makes that harder?

I guess you could calculate all of your prices such that, once sales tax is added, they round to a 5 cent value.

SoftTalker 13 hours ago | parent [-]

You don't need to do that. Compute the total sale, then figure the tax, then round. You don't need to round per item.

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skylurk 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> require merchants to provide exact change

All the items in my dad's farm shop were priced so they came out to a round dollar amount after tax, and that was 40 years ago.

tempodox 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But less decent people can’t resist the dark pattern of using $x.99 prices everywhere.

mulmen 13 hours ago | parent [-]

At big retailers the price tag code indicates what type of price it is. For example the last digits can mean:

0: full

9: sale

8: reduced

7: clearance (item will not restock)

I forget the exact system Sears used but we could tell at a glance if a deal was really “good”.

I’m curious if Sears and WalMart used different systems and if WalMart exploited knowledge of the Sears system to signal better prices to shoppers. Like a full WalMart price being .97 and clearance being .94.

redwall_hp 12 hours ago | parent [-]

That sounds close to the Sears system to me, but they used the tens place. 8x was used for returned big ticket items, like appliances and treadmills. It would start at 88 and the rightmost digit would decrement to indicate how many weeks it had been sitting there.

It was 00 for full, 99 for sale (the majority of items, except for the one week every year they established the full price for that product), 8x for clearance.

mulmen 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah yeah, I forget the details. It was a sophisticated system. I’m curious of the origins. Did this have bookkeeping or business reporting benefits in the pre-digital age? Even when we were using computers at the turn of the millennium it helped signal discount eligibility without having to update and synchronize inventory with promotional offers.

mulmen 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s far more complicated than that. There is no one sales tax for everyone.

Oregon residents didn’t pay sales tax when making purchases in Idaho. Washington charges sales tax on out of state purchases if that state’s sales tax is less than Washington’s, including if it is zero.

criddell 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How do they deal with sales tax? Connecticut has a 6.35% sales tax so if I buy something for $1, the total will be $1.0635.

UncleSlacky 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They could do what every other country does, and include the sales tax in the shelf label price.

wasabi991011 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Paying cash, you would pay $1.05.

criddell 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm referring to states that don't allow rounding.

> in some states, merchants could face legal trouble for rounding up or down

It seems obvious to me they are already rounding to the $1/100. Why is rounding to $1/20 a problem?

wasabi991011 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah I see. Yeah I agree then.

delecti 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If the US properly got rid of pennies (instead of Trump just doing another end-run around congress, by ordering the Mint to stop making them, on shaky legal ground), the legislation could easily supersede those state laws.

mjd 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think this is wrong.

As far as I can tell the relevant statute is 31 USC §5112, and it does not require the minting of all authorized coins:

“(a) The Secretary of the Treasury *may mint* and issue only the following coins: ... (6) ... a one-cent coin that is 0.75 inch in diameter and weighs 3.11 grams.”

(Emphasis mine)

There may be another clause somewhere that requires the Treasury to issue all coins, but that seems unlikely to me. The _number_ of coins to issue of each type is left to the discretion of the Treasury; why wouldn't that include the option to issue none?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5112

delecti 13 hours ago | parent [-]

I addressed in another reply that "'none' is all that's necessary" is probably a defensible interpretation of the law (the more relevant portion being in 5111 rather than 5112), but the penny being explicitly listed makes it clearly not the intention of congress. That's why I said it's a "shaky" and not "baseless" legal ground. The law is clearly written with the expectation that there will be some, which is why Congress felt the need to pass the Coinage Act of 1857 to phase out the half cent.

I think we should get rid of the penny, but it's Congress's responsibility to do that, and they haven't. I'm opposed to Congress abdicating its power and responsibility like that.

mjd 12 hours ago | parent [-]

You're right, 5111 is more pertinent here.

5111(a)(1) says “shall mint and issue coins” but qualifies it explicitly with “in amounts the Secretary decides are necessary to meet the needs of the United States”. This is a clear delegation of authority.

If you don't think zero pennies is a permissible amount, what about one penny? Two? What minimum number are you arguing for here, and what's your justification for it?

If Congress had wanted to set a minimum number, they could have done so.

Reading it as ”shall mint” is wrong, I think. “Shall” qualifies the whole clause “mint in amounts the Secretary decides (etc.)”.

Understood that way, 5111 makes it unlawful to mint any pennies if the Secretary decides that none are necessary.

delecti 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> If Congress had wanted to set a minimum number, they could have done so.

I don't think this is necessarily a sound argument. The current presidency is full of examples of aspects of laws being used in ways no president previously had. Those laws existed, but I don't think it follows that congress intended for those powers to exist.

isleyaardvark 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If Congress had wanted to get rid of the penny, they would have done so, since they specifically have the power to “coin money” under Article 1, Section 8.

In fact they have introduced a bill to do just that, that has not passed yet, which means they have not done that.

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throwawaymaths 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What exactly is the law?

Can you show me the statute requiring the treasury department to coin pennies?

delecti 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution gives Congress the authority responsibility to coin money. And in the coinage act of 1792, 31 USC 5111(a)(1), congress directs that the treasury "shall mint and issue coins described in section 5112 of this title in amounts the Secretary decides are necessary to meet the needs of the United States", with the list in section 5112 explicitly listing the penny (31 USC 5112(a)(6)). It's clearly intended to instruct the treasury to mint pennies without congress needing to proscribe the varying amount every year. It also clearly demonstrates the intent that pennies "shall" be produced.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/mo/st-louis/politics/2025/04/3... https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5111 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5112

The fact that all of that gives leeway for "'none' is all that's necessary" is why I said the legal basis was "shaky" and not "baseless". I think getting rid of pennies is good, but this is something that Congress needs to do, rather than continually abdicating its responsibilities.

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taylodl 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Don't you understand it's an emergency?!?! The United States may not be standing next week if we don't stop minting the penny now!!!

linsomniac 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Canadian cash is better than American cash in several ways: [...] $1 and $2 coins in wide circulation (instead of worn-out $1 bills).

I especially liked that the $2 coin breaks into 2 $1 coins if you drop it right. ;-)

(j/k, IIRC that was an early manufacturing defect)

fastball 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Having $1 bills is so much nicer than having $1 coins. I don't want more coins, thanks.

ahmeneeroe-v2 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

American banknotes have numbers on them to easily distinguish the different values!

afavour 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The United States is the only country that prints all denominations of currency in the same size. The US and Switzerland are the only two countries that use the same colors for all of their various bills. Needless to say, this sameness of size and color make it impossible for a blind person to locate the correct bills to make a purchase without some sort of assistance, or confirm that he or she has been given the correct change by the sales clerk. Even people with partial sight may have trouble distinguishing a $1 bill from a $10, especially if the bill is old and worn.

https://afb.org/blindness-and-low-vision/using-technology/ac...

nayuki 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The United States is the only country that prints all denominations of currency in the same size

Let me assure you that all Canadian banknotes are the same size too, 6.00 inch × 2.75 inch (152.40 mm × 69.85 mm). I'm not sure how the article got this fact wrong.

As a side note, Canadian banknotes don't have braille, but have an ad hoc system of bumps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_currency_tactile_feat...

axiolite 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Let me assure you that all Canadian banknotes are the same size too [...] not sure how the article got this fact wrong.

Because Canada is just part of the U.S.

(flame away)

nayuki 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Because Canada is just part of the U.S.

As a Canadian, I'm amused to hear this because it is basically true as a first approximation.

Random factoid - Canadian coins ($2, $1, $0.25, $0.10, $0.05, $0.01 (withdrawn)) come in almost the same denominations as US coins ($1 (uncommon), $0.05 (rare), $0.25, $0.10, $0.05, $0.01), and they are the same diameter and thickness, but maybe having different weight and magnetic properties. It's kind of scary that Canadian coins are essentially state-sanctioned counterfeits of US coins.

Another weird thing is that the National Basketball Association (NBA) has 29 American teams and 1 Canadian one... making it more of an international basketball association. I think another sports league with "national" in its name also crosses national boundaries.

If you take a random person and teleport them between a random mix of Canadian and US cities, I think they'll find it hard to tell the two countries apart. The primary language is English, the accent is the same, the streets and buildings look the same, people watch/listen/read much of the same media, and so on.

One party trick that I practice when traveling in America is to not volunteer information about where I'm from, and see how long I can blend into groups of people and conversations until someone suspects something or asks a direct question. Needless to say, I can last pretty long, and even debated things like US federal politics. The internal diversity of people within the US (e.g. skin color, accent, beliefs) really helps an outsider like me blend in.

Also note that there is a one-way relationship going on. Canadians know more about the US than what's necessary for life. Heck, even the state broadcaster CBC will put out entire news segments (e.g. 5 to 20 minutes) on US-specific issues. Knowing about the US - whether it's major companies, cities, TV series - is unavoidable to Canadians. But ask the average American about anything related to Canada, and you'll likely get a blank stare.

However, some of the differences between Canada and the USA include: Guns(!), personal and state violence, healthcare, social safety net, political polarization, income, prestige, number of big companies, French language, atmospheric climate.

extraduder_ire 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> Another weird thing is that the National Basketball Association (NBA) has 29 American teams and 1 Canadian one

The NHL is a better example of this, I think.

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zahlman 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Although similar in appearance to braille, it differs because standard Braille was deemed too sensitive.

Yes. This system is more resistant to wear and tear.

ebruchez an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The US and Switzerland are the only two countries that use the same colors for all of their various bills.

Factually absolutely incorrect for Switzerland, and easy to verify. Swiss bank notes are and have been some of the most colorful (and pretty, I should say) around, and all have different sizes.

varun_ch 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Switzerland has same colors for all of the various bills? As far as I can tell, that has never been true

HansHamster 12 hours ago | parent [-]

This also confused me. The current ones have very distinct colors and also all the previous series used different colors as far as I can tell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknotes_of_the_Swiss_franc

SoftTalker 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a bit odd that the mint doesn't emboss the denomination in braille on each note. I'd think that there would be a way to do that and have it hold up pretty well in circulation?

wasabi991011 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think I've seen that blind people in the US have a little machine that they can use to add the braille themselves. Also from a quick google search there's also electronic bill readers that can be provided to blind people for free if they qualify.

In Canada the bills are embossed with braille by the mint. There may be other accommodations too, but I haven't looked it up.

macintux 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I think I've seen that blind people in the US have a little machine that they can use to add the braille themselves.

That solves half the problem, but you still don't know whether you're getting correct change.

zahlman 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not braille; see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45904000.

Maxion 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Braille does not help everyone. Most people with vision issues are not legally lind and do not know braille.

sequoia 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In canada it's "one cluster of dots = $5, two clusters = $10, three = $20" and so on. You just feel the number of dot clusters & count, no braille involved.

yesfitz 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anyone able to feel the dots could learn to distinguish bills this way without learning braille beyond that, regardless of their vision.

Anyone who didn't find the feature useful could ignore it.

whoaoweird 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's wild to see you downvoted. Only about 10% of blind people know braille. There are many more people who have visual impairments but are not blind. Braille is not a universal solution (though I would rather have it than not have it).

axiolite 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Chiming in to complain that a good, working solution to a problem just doesn't happen to solve ALL PROBLEMS is just banality or perhaps pedantry. Unless it was also proposing an alternative that might do better...

Braille on money also doesn't help dyslexic quadrplegics with dysesthesia... Checkmate.

justsomehnguy 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But you don't need to know braille to learn how the most common bills are marked.

Just like you don't need to know Japanese to count the exact amount of yen bills.

justsomehnguy 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You need a week of low-key exposure to learn how each bill is marked.

JJMcJ 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The ten dollar bill has a somewhat different color than the other currency, somewhat yellowish.

kbolino 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

All U.S. bills in common circulation (all denominations except $2) have been different colors for 20 years.

ajmurmann 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From dealing with Euro notes, I like being able to look down at the money in the wallet and pull the right notes out based on color. With USD I need to take the bills out of the wallet.

Arubis 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which is great if you are fully abled! But for folks for whom sight isn't as strong, additional aids (different colors, different sized banknotes for different denominations) are super helpful.

zahlman 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Being fully sighted, I still appreciate it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_cut_effect

filleduchaos 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Some currencies also have braille-like embossments so that if you're totally blind, you can still pick out the correct denominations.

ceejayoz 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not everyone can see.

Australian notes vary in size for this reason.

rayiner 13 hours ago | parent [-]

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SkyLemon 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

One thing about accessibility and usability, is that when you design something for the minority it tends to make things better for the majority. Take ramps for example, they not only server those in wheel chairs, but also families with strollers and elderly with walkers.

cestith 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Crutches and canes can be easier on a ramp, too. Even people with fine balance but limits on movement of the hip, knee, or ankle can benefit.

sailingparrot 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The unbearable pain of having to handle bills of different sizes, there is not enough empathy in this world to truly pay hommage to your suffering.

dghlsakjg 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does the Canadian solution of adding brail to the notes inconvenience you, or is that an acceptable way to make sure that people with disabilities can participate in cash transactions safely?

Does having different sized coins strike you as an inconvenience?

Why does a feature that can be used by anyone, regardless of disability, strike you as "inconvenient for almost everybody"?

What, exactly, is inconvenient about having notes be different sizes?

rayiner 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Different sized bills are harder to stack in a wallet. Braille is a much better way to handle the problem. No cost to the majority, while solving the problem for the minority.

krior 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Different sized bills are harder to stack in a wallet.

This has never been my experience. What is the challenge?

extraduder_ire 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm used to Euro notes, and having each denomination be a different colour and height in my wallet is very useful for pulling a specific one out.

I keep them in order, with €5s in the front.

cestith 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As long as the largest bills fit and the smallest bills don’t get lost I don’t understand how it’s so much harder.

dghlsakjg 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It seems like having equivalent sized notes is just your personal preference, and that you are projecting that as an inconvenience onto "the majority". Based on the comments it seems like even people without disabilities mostly don't care, or actually think that it is a good feature.

For my side, even if I did agree with your preference, I am perfectly willing to deal with the incredible hardship of slightly different sized notes in my wallet in exchange for a society where disabled people need not fear being ripped off.

RandomBacon 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

God-forbid you ever end up in a minority group.

rayiner 13 hours ago | parent [-]

I’m in a minority group.

bckr 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s a terribly myopic take

zahlman 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Unfortunate metaphor in context....

kgermino 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's primarily done for security and secondarily a benefit making it easier (for everyone!) to identify denomination by feel

knorker 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Quite the opposite. As a fully abled person I find it incredibly annoying to have to flip through US notes instead of just immediately picking out the right one by size and/or color.

edgineer 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Use a wallet with a divider, and sort your bills. Won't have to flip through until you carry several each of five or more denominations. If you regularly do, then use two dividers.

ryandrake 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Or put another way: "Deliberately griefing the experience of a small number of people just to make it marginally more convenient for everyone else."

nkrisc 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And it would be even easier to distinguish them if they were different colors in addition to the printed numerals.

IshKebab 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is a joke right?

bytesandbits 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean. I can't remember last time I used cash. Not in the last 5 years that is for sure. Once I paid someone with Venmo as that was the only way they could take it. Other than that time, I don't remember using cash at all. In SF the two only moments I can recall needing cash for is either some old self-service laundromats or funnily, chinatown where most of it is still cash. In fact recently a bunch of locations I go to often have become cashless. So you wouldn't be able to pay cash even if you wanted to. Business that are cash only do it for one reason, and one reason only, and we all know what that reason is. Slowly but steadily the volume of retail consumer cashflow is turning to digital. Cash is not going away today. Many seniors don't want / know how to use digital payments. Trends show we are moving toward all-digital. Probably 10 years from now +95% of retail will be cash-less.

PeaceTed 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Very similar to the Australian system. We eliminated the 1 and 2 cent coins in 1992 without issue.

Also has the polymer based colouful bank notes. Far easier to tell what you are handing over. Also given us some good names.

$5 (Pink) = Prawn/Piglet

$10 (Blue) = Bluey

$20 (Red) = Lobster/Red back

$50 (Yellow) = Pineapple/Banana

$100 (Green) = Avacado

So you get sentences like "They needed cash so I threw a pineapple at them".

nayuki 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> Very similar to the Australian system

Yes, and in fact:

> Once the design and substrate were chosen, the Bank of Canada negotiated a contract with Note Printing Australia (NPA) for the supply of the substrate polymer and the security features implemented in the design. The substrate is supplied to NPA by Securency International (now known as Innovia Films Ltd). The Bank also negotiated for the rights to the use of intellectual property associated with the material and security features owned by the Reserve Bank of Australia.

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontier_(banknotes)

And the material is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polypropylene#Biaxially_orient...

pjdemers 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Paying by card doesn't round, the amount charged is exact cents, or at least that's the way it worked last time I was in Canada.

shrubble 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Canadian Tire Company should be the ones designing the bills, however…

wrs 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's because in Canada you actually prepared for the transition, instead of just proclaiming it in a tweet.

expedition32 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In my country they round up if you pay in cash but they keep the cents for electronic payments.

So for instance 1.69 in cash would be 1.70 but if you pay with your phone it stays at 1.69

kccqzy 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I simply don’t like coins because they are heavy. I will continue to prefer $1 bills over $1 coins. Agree with the rest of your points though.

revicon 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are several US states where, by law, retailers are not allowed to give preferential treatment to credit card paying customers over cash paying ones. Which means, in those states, retailers will be required to always round transactions to the cash paying customer's benefit, where in other states the retailer is allowed to round to the nearest 5 cents. This is going to cost large retailers millions.

Interestingly many of them had already put the work into updating the cash register software to allow for this due to the penny shortages during covid.

atq2119 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Let those large retailers put pressure on their suppliers. Prices haven't exactly been stable recently. I really don't think it matters, but if it did (as you claim) then surely some downward pressure is a good thing.

bongodongobob 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It doesn't cost anyone anything. They can just raise prices 3 cents or whatever.

phantom784 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It gets tricky because sales tax is added on top of the sticker price.

UncleSlacky 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Then include the sales tax in the sticker price, like every other country does.

phantom784 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Unfortunately I think this is much easier said than done. No single store is going to want to make this change, because it'll make their prices look higher than the competitors'. It'd require legislation, (and even that'd likely be state-by-state legislation).

It also means a company wouldn't be able to advertise a single price for a product nationwide, since sales tax rates vary by state (and many times even within a state).

Also worth noting that Canada also doesn't include sales taxes.

revicon 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The statistics on consumers evaluating the purchase of something that is $9.99 vs $10 is well proven.

Switching to round number prices would cost retailers a whole lot more.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002243599...

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23547242_Penny_Wise...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002243590...

zahlman 11 hours ago | parent [-]

The rounding is applied to an entire-after tax bill, not to shelf prices.

Again: Canada actually did this many years ago. The effect you predict did not appear.

SoftTalker 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I honestly don't know why we don't get rid of nickels and dimes as well. What can you still buy that costs less than $0.25?

phantasmish 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When we got rid of the half-penny, it was worth more in 2024 cents than the dime is now.

We waited so long past when we should have gotten rid of the penny that now a coin ten times as valuable is also worthless enough that we ought to get rid of it.

stetrain 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, the quarter is pretty much the smallest useful unit of US currency and even that usefulness is shrinking pretty quickly.

If we would adopt a policy of including local sales tax in advertised prices, skipping to whole dollars would be pretty painless.

The main reason to keep at least quarters is all of the various coin-op machines that are still in service.

FredPret 13 hours ago | parent [-]

The US has too many tax permutations for this to be practicable. Companies would have to make prices a bit higher to accommodate unexpected sales tax increases in some or other jurisdiction.

There's a small industry that specializes in knowing what the sales tax for a particular transaction should be at the moment it goes through.

stetrain 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Knowing the sales tax at a particular in-person store is more feasible, and that’s the only case where you have to deal with cash.

If I’m buying online with a digital transaction you can charge whatever cents are necessary.

FredPret 11 hours ago | parent [-]

You then still have the issue of standardized advertising prices.

Right now, a company can say they sell gadget X for $999, which would not be possible if they had to work out item taxes.

The other possibility is that they now have to mark X up to take into account the most pessimistic possible tax rate and advertise the marked-up rate.

SoftTalker 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Forcing the simplification of all those taxes doesn't seem like it has a downside, to me.

FredPret 12 hours ago | parent [-]

That would centralize power to the larger taxing authority.

Right now, there's a huge number of elected people in the US who wield real local power through these taxes and other rules that they can make.

It's a headache but we live in the computer age and we can automate administrative things like tax calculation at checkout; we should be using systems to aid decentralization and democratization instead of the opposite.

HarHarVeryFunny 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So how would you propose paying for something that cost $0.40, or would you just like to see all prices be multiples of 25c?

BTW, the reason for wanting to get rid of the penny isn't so much the low purchasing value, but more that they cost more to make (~4c) than their face value, so the government loses money making them. The same is true of nickels.

kevin_thibedeau 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My employer has a 55¢ vending machine with a dodgy bill validator.

RandomBacon 13 hours ago | parent [-]

I was once at a place that had a vending machine that accepted U.S. Currency as well as coupons. I wish I saved one of those coupons and reverse-engineered it and see if it worked on other machines, oh well.

blendergeek 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Bananas

noir_lord 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same in UK but we also size each face value differently.

Which helps partially sighted people and is a good visual check.

extraduder_ire 8 hours ago | parent [-]

It doesn't happen very often, but resizing coins when a new design is created strikes me as annoying.

Last time I was in the UK I also found it funny how large the 2p coin is compared to its value.

codyb 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All green notes are barely there anymore... the dollar bill itself. Even the five has some color now.

iammattmurphy 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even though I never use cash, I’m really not a fan of coins, so I wish we did have $1 bills.

bigfishrunning 12 hours ago | parent [-]

We do have $1 bills. And coins!

kpw94 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> $1 and $2 coins in wide circulation (instead of worn-out $1 bills).

This has its own pros/cons...

One advantage of $1 bill over coin is the majority of people in US don't need a wallet with zipper to hold coins. Five $1 bills is much less bulky and much lighter than five $1 CAD or five 1€ coins

wasabi991011 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Of course everything has its pros and cons, but not all of them are worth considering.

The amount of wallets with zipper is a country is not worth considering when discussing what coins should be minted.

Projectiboga 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The US has been moving to colored denominations for awhile now.

munificent 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> We eliminated pennies in Canada in 2012 and the transition was a non-issue.

That's because Canada had a plan, thought it through, and rolled it out.

In the US...

“We had a social media post (by Trump) during Super Bowl Sunday, but no real plan for what retailers would have to do,” he said, referring to the president’s February announcement.

We have a deranged old man posting random shit on social media determining federal policy, so of course it's a chaotic shitshow.

We elected a clown, we got a circus.

MrMorden 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Unlike serving as a Republican politician, clowning requires a lot of work and training. It's nothing resembling an unskilled job. Ringling Bros. would do a lot better.

knorker 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

US notes also stink.

spiderice 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Better is very subjective here. I hate the colorful, plastic, canadian money. It feels toyish, like monopoly money. Whereas USD feels much more nice to deal with.

chawco 13 hours ago | parent [-]

As a Canadian with kids who recently bought Monopoly, I can you tell you that American money objectively feels much more like Monopoly money...