I'm really curious how the traditional DAW features stack up against the incumbents. A good DAW has a ton of features. Developing a whole DAW from scratch just to add a "generate part" button sounds like a lot.

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input_sh 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I can tell you exactly how any professional is gonna evaluate this DAW: press Ctrl+F, type "VST", see 0 results, close the page.

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meowface 9 hours ago | parent [-]

If they do add VST support I could see them becoming a legitimate player. Without it it's definitely just a toy.

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input_sh 8 hours ago | parent [-]

They're never gonna let you upload and run your own executable files to their infrastructure.

That + latency with MIDI devices is why every DAW-in-a-browser is just a toy.

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recursive 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Didn't realize this was in a browser. That tells me all I need to know.

	▲	lioeters 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Coming soon: Suno Desktop (Electron version). "Look ma, no browser!"

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efskap 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a pipe dream of course, but WebAssembly would be an ideal target for C++ VSTs for its portability and sandboxing

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polishdude20 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can get a vst to run locally and still work with the browser.

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input_sh 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Okay, but why would you? What's the advantage of that? VSTs are resource hogs (when you have like 10+ running at once), not DAWs.

I somehow doubt a full-blown browser connected to more than a couple of VSTs would be less of a resource hog than doing the same in a DAW. On your computer. That you own. In your house. Without like additional 50ms of latency for the data to travel to the server and back.

	▲	recursive 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I just assumed all the audio data would be local even in a "browser DAW", so VST calls wouldn't go through a network.

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zahlman 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

... VSTs are executable code?

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vunderba 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I split pretty evenly between Bitwig, Logic X, and MuseScore and I can tell you the first big reservation I have with something like this is that it's an online DAW.

What does that mean? It means that your compositions (outside of bouncing them down to audio stems) exists within a highly proprietary SaaS format and that the moment you stop paying, you've got NOTHING.

99% of major DAWs (Ableton, Logic, FL Studio, Bitwig, Studio One, etc.) are a perpetual license.

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lomase 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The people using Sunno AI don't care about writing or mixing music.

They don't need the same feature list.

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recursive 8 hours ago | parent [-]

The video seems to be trying to convince me that this is totally targeted at actual musicians. But I guess maybe that's how their target users imagine themselves?

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themotherhucker 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As an actual musician who doesn't have any troubles creating my own melodies and timbres (both generated and 'manually' created), its very obviously not targeted at someone like me.

It seems similar to a Garage Band type of software, aiming to entice people with little audio production experience and give them an interesting sounding snippet they can play back to friends.

For example, the only actual audio editing they displayed was slicing and re-pitching (you can't even choose the time-stretch algorithm), which is conceptually very simple to understand.

There's no ability to actually edit dynamics or do very accurate frequency adjustments that I can see from the demos, so it's basically useless for anything I would want to do.

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lomase 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As much as I think making AI music is the pinacle of lazynes and instant gratification, in my opinion they are actual musicians.

What I mean is that in a DAW you have a lots of tools that don't make sense in AI context.

Like for example, people who use agentic workflows don't need a Visual Studio license.

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recursive 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, music is art. Some of it is done for hire or commission. Most code is written for an employer or contract. Code written as art is an edge case.

For advertising jingles it makes some sense. For artistic expression, like... what's the point?

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lomase 5 hours ago | parent [-]

If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to them... I think they are artist

I used to release music that people listend to, but not anymore, now the only joy comes from making it for myself. Am I still an artist?

	▲	recursive 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		In my book, you are definitely an artist. Perhaps the purest kind, not that it's a competition. If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to some, they should do it. I just have a hard time understanding that.