| ▲ | Priced out of traditional housing, more Americans are living in RVs(nbcnews.com) |
| 71 points by bikenaga 14 hours ago | 52 comments |
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| ▲ | RandomBacon 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| If anyone is thinking about this, please do research into how crappy modern, mass-produced RVs are built. Lemon Laws do not apply to RVs (except maybe in one state). Many RVs can easily spend most of a year waiting to get a single item half-assed repaired multiple times while the 1 year warranty runs out and the 20 other things don't get fixed. There is a relatively-new YouTube channel called Liz Amazing that showcases RV horror stories, including the most recent one where a luxury RV manufacturer didn't properly install VINs on the RV leading to a $600k fine for the user: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zGOANydJURQ |
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| ▲ | zdw 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Back around 2000, I bought a Honda Civic, and in buying insurance the VIN number was entered wrong by the insurance company employee - had a 1 instead of a 7 or something, due to the handwritten process in use at the time. A few years later, after dutifully paying my insurance, but moving a few times for school the registration had lapsed and I got pulled over. They ended up taking the license plate because of this, that my car was "uninsured", and apparently I was paying for nothing for the last few years.. I cleared up the registration the next day and the insurance as well, but a few weeks later had to go to court to clear up the ticket. The judge asked me "Why didn't you check that the numbers matched on the insurance forms?", to which I replied "Did you check this with the last car you insured?". They let me off. This is all to say, how is it possible that someone got $600k fine for a mistake that is obviously not the fault of the buyer? | | | |
| ▲ | ProllyInfamous 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I watched several videos from the Liz Amazing YT-link you provided — very thoughtful content from two obviously-compatible sunbirders. Her overall recommendations tend to recommend older, well-taken-care-of models over the newer less-expensive trash being mass-produced. Get a PROFESSIONAL INSPECTION before purchasing any RV particularly if your first purchase, and buy from a local person (instead of a dealership). Really loved that some of Liz's most-popular videos weren't about RVs, particularly her Introduction to Electric Bicycles (helpful as we've gotten older). By least-favorite brother (maker of terrible decisions™) lived in an RV for about two years, and it was absolutely embarassing to the neighborhood... just a squalor'd pig-stye. If anybody near Chattanooga wants to restore an old Airstream, I know a guy... [that owns a dozen, variously delapidated] | |
| ▲ | JKCalhoun 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I built my own [1] — but then I have a garage (and had been building something approximating furniture for several years). I feel like with the tutorials out there, a novice could learn as they go and enjoy the experience of building out a van. It's possible too to do it in stages. My Stage 1 had no solar or stove — limited cabinetry. The wife and I took it out nonetheless. You find out quickly too that way what you miss/want. The cost of a new Ford Transit was not cheap, and there were some pricy components. As an example, the two LiPO batteries were $1K each — but they're about 1/3 that these days (wow). The electric refrigerator (more like cooler) was not cheap. The propane stove was not either — but a camp stove would have worked as well (and has the benefit that you can cook outside on hot days when you don't want to heat up the van/RV). I never tallied up the total cost, but I promise you it was significantly less than a new RV. And because I made it myself, I can vouch for the quality of the components. The single best resource was faroutride.com [2]. But then there were plenty of online forums, YouTube etc. with all kinds of info. I was a few years from retirement when I began. The idea was to "van life" with the wife after I retired. As it is, we've done a good deal of travel in the U.S. but until she also retires, we don't live the van life. (The fact is though, after a few weeks on the road, you come home appreciating your creature comforts.) (Recently drove from the Midwaste to San Diego to get my middle daughter and her two cats. Heading out in a few weeks to the Bay Area to visit some ex-coworkers.) [1] https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/hot-tamale-build... [2] https://faroutride.com/van-build/ | |
| ▲ | blackbell 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >please do research into how crappy modern, mass-produced RVs are built. Any brands you/Liz Amazing suggest? | | |
| ▲ | inhumantsar 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | not the parent but Airstream or any other RV with an aluminum or molded fibreglass body. most RVs have thin skins glued to a type of particle board and right angle joins everywhere. those joins will leak and when they do, the leak is often imperceptible. the interior walls and subfloor will rot before you notice anything's wrong. RVs with a molded fibreglass or aluminum body use overlapping panels to naturally shed water and the materials used don't corrode (caveats apply, eg galvanic corrosion of aluminum). generally this means the RV won't rot out unless the panels themselves are holed, which is unlikely. it's not uncommon to see an Airstream that's been sitting in a PNW field for 30 years and find that the interior is musty and likely mouse chewed but structurally fine. of course the mechanicals -- frame, axles, gas lines, appliances -- all need to be maintained and they are more expensive compared to their non-RV counterparts, but if you're handy and aware of your limits, these don't have to be show stoppers. |
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| ▲ | greenavocado 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | RVs are absolutely garbage quality. Damage is not a matter of IF but WHEN, so it is essential to budget for big ticket, frequent repairs. And you will be replacing your roof in ten years at best. |
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| ▲ | Molitor5901 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There is affordable housing, but it's not where people want to live. I am concerned articles like these support the notion that everyone must live in a bustling metropolis in the heart of everything. The article cites up to $45/night to park an RV. Thirty days is $1350. In Valdosta, Georgia, the average apartment rent is approximately $1,004 per month Arkansas median rent of $868. There is affordable housing, even buying, but more publications must get off this notion that everyone must live in Highland Park, or the Castro, or even Midtown Atlanta. |
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| ▲ | themafia 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Made that choice 12 years ago. I have no regrets. I was also very lucky. I found a good RV park that had grass yards surrounded by fences with plenty of trees for shade. The RV itself has been incredibly sturdy and I've only had a few issues. I did have to spend 1 day upgrading the electrical from 30 amp to 50 amp so I could run the A/C and the Water Heater at the same time. I had to replace the city water inlet check valve after 8 years. The spring valve on my toilet broke after 5 years but it was less labor to just install a new one. The mattress got replaced immediately. Otherwise, if you can get a good park to live in and don't have large pets or children, I can only highly recommend it. |
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| ▲ | alistairSH 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Was this an RV or a mobile home (single wide, double wide)? Different products (for those who aren’t aware). | | |
| ▲ | themafia 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | An RV, specifically a Travel Trailer, 33' in length and made by Jayco. |
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| ▲ | davidw 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In Portland, it's legal to live in an RV on someone's land as long as there is a proper sewer/electric/water hookup. This is beneficial because it makes for more dispersed RV living rather than concentrating everyone in an RV park. This Sightline article talks about some of the people it has helped: https://www.sightline.org/2025/09/11/homes-on-wheels-are-fil... Long term, we should make other more permanent forms of housing cheaper and easier for people to get into, but this is a good solution for some people some of the time. |
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| ▲ | fred_is_fred 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is it difficult to connect in to an existing sewer line? | | |
| ▲ | davidw 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | From the article:
"Adding the water and sewer connection only cost another $5,000. " Building an ADU (aka Granny flat) can cost hundreds of thousands and take a long time to get done. So it's a way cheaper and easier option. | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not difficult if you’re comfortable being handy. PVC is easy, it’s just a sewer clean out or a dump station for extra fanciness. If your sewer line is something other than PVC, you might need a professional involved. Hand trench, and you might need a private locator service to find it if you don’t know where the existing sewer line is. “home rv sewer dump” are the keywords to use for additional research and sources. |
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| ▲ | ProllyInfamous 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My landlord (owns four duplex units) moved out of the other side, into an RV on his land, in order to rent out an additional $900/month unit. No A/C, in the American Southeast [not worth it IMHO]. Freaking property owners are starting to get priced out (of living)! |
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| ▲ | bombcar 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Does he plan to build on his land? RV while building can be a great source of tax free income. | | |
| ▲ | ProllyInfamous 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, it's not permittable land (floodplain). His hoarding has resulted in junkyard vibes (at least it "resets" after major flooding). I'm a blue collar guy in Appalachia, so this isn't exactly California... Landlord is a decade+ older than me — after his parents died, he's sort of going back to the land (if that makes sense). I've testified as a character witness for him (he occassionally gets arrested for self-help evictions — doesn't give AF at all — readily brags admitting to what he done'did); us long-term tenants currently screen new tenants, and all he cares about is money (cash only). If you want a written rental contract, you have to provide one yourself =D I often love it here — and am paid through the end of 2026 (and do everything I can to keep this massively-undermarket rental). Landlord won't even consider selling it (I've offered!), but he has no heirs so... [fingers crossed it'll work out eventually]. Ref: An RV park very close to me is mentioned in OP's article — very real (I am on a slab, thank god). Mostly nothin' out there but land and poverty. |
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| ▲ | 999900000999 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >She house sat for a family member to get her finances back in order, but she found it difficult to afford a rental apartment on the $58,000 a year she gets in disability and Social Security payments. It's not for everyone, but that's more than enough to retire in much of the world. You can get a very nice apartment in much of Seoul for around 700$. Food and healthcare is going to be better too. |
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| ▲ | theshrike79 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | A friend is just selling a two bedroom apartment for 15k€ furnished. Small town, sure, but the apartment is in a good shape and the city is nice by Nordic standards. | |
| ▲ | bpt3 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can live comfortably in many, many places in the US on $58k a year as well. It highlights that the problem most of these people have isn't a lack of income. |
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| ▲ | geuis 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I know many people aren't a fan of the book Ready Player One. Despite that, like any halfway decent future sf story, certain elements ring true. This reminds me of how the stacks get started from that novel. |
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| ▲ | nradov 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's a sad situation and really shows our collective failure to build enough housing. But in articles about the financial struggles of single parents, why do journalists frequently not report anything about child support payments? The reader is left to wonder whether the father of the Stitt children is paying his share, or dead, or a deadbeat. In a number of cases I know about the custodial parent didn't even bother to pursue a legal support order. Even a few hundred dollars per month can make a huge difference in paying rent. I understand that navigating the legal system is difficult and many single parents are overwhelmed, but most counties have social workers or legal aid agencies that will help with court filings and collections. |
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| ▲ | grafmax 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > our collective failure to build enough housing There has been net transfer of housing ownership to the wealthy through increasing LTV and rentals - interest and rent are two ways of transferring money from the working class to rentier capital. Framing this as simply a supply issue is obscures the dynamics of wealth transfer undergirding the rise in housing scarcity. | | | |
| ▲ | 999900000999 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Alright. This is just a hypothetical story. Sarah has 2 kids with her ex husband Bill. Everytime Sarah mentions child support Bill talks about pursuing joint custody. Bill has no intention of actually following though, but he knows fighting in court is going to very expensive and difficult for Sarah. Sarah drops it. Often filing for child support involves a whole lot of BS. Bill might just be a wacko she'd rather not deal with anymore. After all, they aren't together for a reason. I know my dad kicked me out at 15 and didn't give me a dime until I was like 20, and that was about 300$ or 400$ tops. He wasn't going to spot me rent money during my second eviction. Honest to God, I was grateful he just left me alone for the most part. He still lived in this fantasy land were you can kick you kid out and expect them to do well in school. No I'm not college bound, yes my GPA was like a 1.7 when I graduated high school. Thank you Brendan Eich, thank you for JavaScript, without that magical programing language I wouldn't be where I am now. I guess I wasn't smart enough for C++, but I've made great money in JavaScript and other higher level languages for a long time. Anyway, the woman who starts the story has her reasons. | | |
| ▲ | nradov 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Right, I get that dealing with family law issues can be extremely difficult — especially when irrational or abusive people are involved. But at some point custodial parents need to step up and do what's necessary to collect the money owed to their children even though it's a painful process. It sucks and it's unfair but usually better than letting the children become homeless. The subject of the story might have her reasons (the father could be dead for all we know) and I wouldn't presume to criticize her based on such a limited set of facts. My criticism of the journalists is that they just leave that part out. It's sloppy writing and leaves the reader wondering what else they missed? Like they can ask for the intimate details of the family's financial history and living situation but they can't ask about child support? It makes no sense. | | |
| ▲ | 999900000999 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | So he can go tell the court she's an unfit parent and she'll lose custody of her kids? If anything doing a story like this is really risky for her, CPS could argue she's not capable and make things really different. People get really messed up and vindictive when it comes to child support. I'm 100% sure she's evaluated her options and child support just isn't one of them. | | |
| ▲ | nradov 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, you can't be "100% sure" of anything because the article omitted key facts. That's my point. You're making unwarranted assumptions about people you don't even know. Litigants say a lot of things in family court. So what. Judges don't automatically believe such claims. An allegation of being an unfit parent doesn't mean loss of custody so quit exaggerating. While you can find rare stories of CPS employees and judges who abused their authority, the reality is that CPS makes every effort to keep families together and only take children away from parents in extreme cases of abuse or neglect. |
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| ▲ | its-kostya 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > “If we don’t adapt, we won’t change, and if we don’t change, we’ll be mad, and if we’re mad, that just sucks. You don’t want to be mad.” What positive attitude in such a rotten situation. It really hurts reading such stories about hardworking honest people. |
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| ▲ | 64718283661 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How about truck+trailer combo. The vehicle can be used without taking your house everywhere. And the reliability of each of these things alone is higher than an RV |
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| ▲ | greenavocado 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 35ft fifth wheel RV: Truck burns 14 MPG on a good day. Tires $1000+ every 30-50k mi. 6-9 mpg towing if using gasoline | | |
| ▲ | mfkp 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Now do the math on driving your RV everywhere (or purchasing a separate smaller vehicle that you can use to get around town, and tow behind the RV when traveling). I'd assume that would cost more. |
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| ▲ | brudgers 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Even better, you have somewhere to live if your vehicle is in the shop. |
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| ▲ | chrisoconnell 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I had considered doing this about 3 years ago. I purchased a 1986 Vixen 21TD (a BMW diesel powered, 5 speed motorhome, build specifically as a motorhome, and gets 30mpg). Ultimately, my goals ended up changing. I did a bit of modifications (modern brakes, improved electrical, upgraded alternator, 300aH 12v Lithium, and more), but I ended up only doing a couple trips in it. It was really incredible, being able to have enough space to work, traveling anytime I want without worrying about crashing at a friend's place, or paying for a hotel or being stuck in a boring part of a city where the hotel is, etc. I did a ton of research before purchasing, and loved the fact that it was fully built from the ground up to be a motorhome, rather than how modern conversions or RVs are built. It has a full queen size bed, and a wet bath, and I could comfortably stand when the roof is up. Alas, the home life ended up being for me. P.S. It's for sale. |
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| ▲ | indigodaddy 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Vixens were super cool! We bought a used one in the 90s when I was a teenager. Although it did wind up breaking down on a road trip,bao I think they might have been on the unreliable side or known for some issues-- either that or we just got unlucky. | |
| ▲ | benpacker 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Would love to see pics of the interior! |
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| ▲ | hk1337 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They can be an option for some but i wouldn't do it. - it can be more expensive to repair items on or in the RV - i wouldn't want to permanently reside in an RV in an area where tornadoes are a possibility - they're a depreciating asset |
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| ▲ | dogmatism 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There's an old saying in Alabama: Q: What does a divorce and a tornado have in common?
A: Someone gonna lose them a trailer | | |
| ▲ | selimthegrim 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | They tell this joke in Louisiana too but usually the punchline is divorce in Chalmette (looked down upon suburb of New Orleans). The joke became significantly less funny when a deadly tornado actually hit the neighboring town of Arabi. |
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| ▲ | Barrin92 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What stands out to me about the people in the article is that they don't seem to be poor in the conventional sense. The woman who sold her 5 bedroom / 3 bathroom house and the guy getting 3k/month in pensions. I don't hail from the US but wouldn't it be possible for people like that to move to one of the low cost states and rent a modest apartment? I have a friend in Tulsa and I think he pays something like 750 bucks per month for what looked like a pretty nice flat, seems possibly cheaper than this: "When the family is unable to afford a spot at a campground, which can cost $25 to $45 a night[...]" |
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| ▲ | Molitor5901 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It's because they're not looking for a place just to live, they want a place where they want to live. Otherwise RVs would be parked all over America, instead of just in downtowns and other urban areas. Everyone wants to live in the Noe Valley and walk to the Whole Foods, but space, and supply and demand make that simply impossible without absolute government control of housing. | |
| ▲ | JKCalhoun 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You may be right. I grew up in the Midwaste but when I was living in California I met a number of native Californians that I am sure would never consider heading to the flyover belt of America. Rightly or wrongly I think they have stereotypes about what it's like to live here. (And to be sure, the weather is not what they are used to.) |
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