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RandomBacon 16 hours ago

If anyone is thinking about this, please do research into how crappy modern, mass-produced RVs are built.

Lemon Laws do not apply to RVs (except maybe in one state).

Many RVs can easily spend most of a year waiting to get a single item half-assed repaired multiple times while the 1 year warranty runs out and the 20 other things don't get fixed.

There is a relatively-new YouTube channel called Liz Amazing that showcases RV horror stories, including the most recent one where a luxury RV manufacturer didn't properly install VINs on the RV leading to a $600k fine for the user:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zGOANydJURQ

zdw 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Back around 2000, I bought a Honda Civic, and in buying insurance the VIN number was entered wrong by the insurance company employee - had a 1 instead of a 7 or something, due to the handwritten process in use at the time.

A few years later, after dutifully paying my insurance, but moving a few times for school the registration had lapsed and I got pulled over. They ended up taking the license plate because of this, that my car was "uninsured", and apparently I was paying for nothing for the last few years..

I cleared up the registration the next day and the insurance as well, but a few weeks later had to go to court to clear up the ticket. The judge asked me "Why didn't you check that the numbers matched on the insurance forms?", to which I replied "Did you check this with the last car you insured?". They let me off.

This is all to say, how is it possible that someone got $600k fine for a mistake that is obviously not the fault of the buyer?

fred_is_fred 15 hours ago | parent [-]

There has to be more to it.

Eddy_Viscosity2 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Remember there are states that actively use civil asset forfeiture laws to straight-up steal people's property. So an excessive fine does not seem much different in comparison.

selimthegrim 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This sounds very plausible in Louisiana.

ProllyInfamous 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I watched several videos from the Liz Amazing YT-link you provided — very thoughtful content from two obviously-compatible sunbirders.

Her overall recommendations tend to recommend older, well-taken-care-of models over the newer less-expensive trash being mass-produced. Get a PROFESSIONAL INSPECTION before purchasing any RV particularly if your first purchase, and buy from a local person (instead of a dealership).

Really loved that some of Liz's most-popular videos weren't about RVs, particularly her Introduction to Electric Bicycles (helpful as we've gotten older).

By least-favorite brother (maker of terrible decisions™) lived in an RV for about two years, and it was absolutely embarassing to the neighborhood... just a squalor'd pig-stye.

If anybody near Chattanooga wants to restore an old Airstream, I know a guy... [that owns a dozen, variously delapidated]

alistairSH 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Tangent... I've always thought a custom resto-mod Airstream Bambi would make for a rad little travel trailer. Scrap the wet bath, ditch the propane, add a pile of LiFePo4 batteries and flexible solar, run it all off 12V. Probably end up costing $60k or more, so probably never happen. Oh well.

ProllyInfamous an hour ago | parent [-]

I recently left a job at an electric resto-mod / conversion startup — the battery chemistries continue advancing while affordability per kWH increases. Hope you can convert your dreams into something special (which you could achieve for much less than $60k)!

If anybody wants to attempt such a rad little travel trailer conversion, I know a guy with several in-need-of-work Airstreams (not sure specific model, but the "iconic" classic -type).

Last spring, Owner literally cut both ends off the crappiest trailer and made it into a bridge across one of his littler creeks (please buy his Airstreams — the neighborhood/environment would appreciate it).

alistairSH an hour ago | parent [-]

Is "you know a guy" code for "I'm that guy"?

And yeah, the battery prices keep coming down. It's really amazing to watch in real time. A 100ah 12V battery used to be ~$1000, now it's a fraction of that. And 400ah 12V batteries are becoming common.

But, the rest of the electrical system isn't cheap... solar panels, MPPT controller(s), fuse panel and things, control panel, etc. If you need 120V, add an inverter. If you want 120V AC, that inverter needs to be pretty big. Etc. Probably looking at $10k+ for my dream system (granted, that's down from $20k 5 years ago).

JKCalhoun 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I built my own [1] — but then I have a garage (and had been building something approximating furniture for several years).

I feel like with the tutorials out there, a novice could learn as they go and enjoy the experience of building out a van.

It's possible too to do it in stages. My Stage 1 had no solar or stove — limited cabinetry. The wife and I took it out nonetheless. You find out quickly too that way what you miss/want.

The cost of a new Ford Transit was not cheap, and there were some pricy components. As an example, the two LiPO batteries were $1K each — but they're about 1/3 that these days (wow). The electric refrigerator (more like cooler) was not cheap. The propane stove was not either — but a camp stove would have worked as well (and has the benefit that you can cook outside on hot days when you don't want to heat up the van/RV).

I never tallied up the total cost, but I promise you it was significantly less than a new RV. And because I made it myself, I can vouch for the quality of the components.

The single best resource was faroutride.com [2]. But then there were plenty of online forums, YouTube etc. with all kinds of info.

I was a few years from retirement when I began. The idea was to "van life" with the wife after I retired. As it is, we've done a good deal of travel in the U.S. but until she also retires, we don't live the van life.

(The fact is though, after a few weeks on the road, you come home appreciating your creature comforts.)

(Recently drove from the Midwaste to San Diego to get my middle daughter and her two cats. Heading out in a few weeks to the Bay Area to visit some ex-coworkers.)

[1] https://www.fordtransitusaforum.com/threads/hot-tamale-build...

[2] https://faroutride.com/van-build/

alistairSH 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just another example... We bought a small teardrop camper last year (basically a king bed on wheels, with a small kitchenette on the rear under a clam shell). We used to car camp with a large tent - we got tired of sleeping on an inflatable mattress and wanted to do longer trips, so the teardrop made a lot of sense (we aren't ready to give up "camping" for "RVing", if that makes sense).

On day one, the solar controller (feeds power from panels to battery) was wired wrong. Fixed by dealer on the spot, but not a great start. Thankfully, this dealer has a solid post-sale/delivery-day walk through (not all do), so we picked up on the issue.

The wiring in the battery box is a bit of a rats nest. It's not wrong per se, but it's not as tidy as it should be, IMO. The battery lives in a storage box on the front of the trailer, alongside miscellaneous items (tools, bucket, hose, power cord, etc), so having the wiring untidy makes it more likely for connections to get broken.

The AC unit sits on a drain pan that's a bit too shallow for the job. If the trailer isn't nearly perfectly level, it will overflow into foot of the bed. Again, not wrong per se, but if you don't know in advance, you could be in for very wet bedding.

The brand is well-known and considered middle-of-the road. Not the cheapest, not the most expensive. We knew what we were getting into, and we're quite happy with the purchase, but if we hadn't done due diligence, we'd probably be a bit disappointed.

blackbell 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>please do research into how crappy modern, mass-produced RVs are built.

Any brands you/Liz Amazing suggest?

alistairSH 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Depends what you want...

First off, a travel trailer make a lot of sense because you decouple the propulsion from the living quarters. But, then you might need a big truck (depends on size of trailer - most mid-size SUVs and compact trucks can only tow ~5000lbs). Another plus is you can drop the trailer at camp and drive to town/trail heads/etc. Downsides are total length, two registrations and insurance plans, etc.

If you don't need to live in it long-term, one of the fiberglass shell travel trailers (Oliver, Escape, maybe Scamp and Casita, though they're lower spec). The less plumbing, the better. The simpler the better. Less to go wrong/leak. They generally max out around 20 feet or so - plenty for a week here and there, but less than ideal for full-time living.

If I wanted full-time, I'd probably skip the Class B ("ship in a bottle van-based RV") and Class C (van/truck chassis and cab with box bolted on the back) RVs and jump straight to a Class A (bus or commercial truck chassis with custom cab). Something like a slightly used Prevost (though that's probably still $500k+, so won't help if you're priced out of traditional housing).

inhumantsar 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

not the parent but Airstream or any other RV with an aluminum or molded fibreglass body.

most RVs have thin skins glued to a type of particle board and right angle joins everywhere. those joins will leak and when they do, the leak is often imperceptible. the interior walls and subfloor will rot before you notice anything's wrong.

RVs with a molded fibreglass or aluminum body use overlapping panels to naturally shed water and the materials used don't corrode (caveats apply, eg galvanic corrosion of aluminum). generally this means the RV won't rot out unless the panels themselves are holed, which is unlikely. it's not uncommon to see an Airstream that's been sitting in a PNW field for 30 years and find that the interior is musty and likely mouse chewed but structurally fine.

of course the mechanicals -- frame, axles, gas lines, appliances -- all need to be maintained and they are more expensive compared to their non-RV counterparts, but if you're handy and aware of your limits, these don't have to be show stoppers.

RandomBacon 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Supposedly Airstream was sold to one of the RV Giants and quality has been deteriorating.

Basically an RV made by the smaller, newer companies that you've never heard of and have to do some research to find, are building quality stuff.

Liz Amazing is selling a PDF of recommendations that she put together from comments by people. (For $100, was 50% off, the 40%, now 25% off).

greenavocado 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

RVs are absolutely garbage quality. Damage is not a matter of IF but WHEN, so it is essential to budget for big ticket, frequent repairs. And you will be replacing your roof in ten years at best.