Based on history and looking long term I see three paths out:

1. South Africa / Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) where Palestine and Israel is united leading to an exodus of the former ethno-nationalist "managerial" class.

2. Two-state solution where an acceptance of each other is grown over generations.

3. Continuation of the current genocide of the Palestinian people until they are exterminated from their land. Leading to the isolation of Israel.

For Israel and the Israeli people the only palatable option should be 2, but they seem hellbent on 3 as per how Israeli people post here on HN and the actions of their democratically elected government.

> does nothing to stop the suffering of innocent people caught in this war

No shit. You are welcome to go further. Why people would use this as an argument against recognizing statehood baffles me.

they would do anything but concrete steps to help

Serious question: how is declaring “oh wait, Palestine actually exists!” help the plight of the Palestinian people? I really doubt Bibi and his cronies will lose any sleep over a timid declaration in a climate that is increasingly critical of Israel’s actions.

In UK’s case, it seems to me more of the classic Starmer flailing about to recapture the votes of whatever group fared worst in his opinion polls. After appeasing Reform and the Tory voters, he probably feels it’s time to throw a bone to the Corbynites now.

I think a more correct title would be they recognized the potential of a Palestinian state.

I hope they recognize the stete of Assyrians, aramiac/Syriac, Chaldeans, Yizdi and every other indigenous nation in the middle east.

As an Assyrian, my nation has been getting exterminated by Arabs, Turkish and Kurdish colonialist for millennia. We live in constant fear and I don't think we will exist in the next 30 years

Candada? really?

I think i should clarify what angers and dismays me the most about the current Israel palestine discourse.

First of all the consistent effort by the media and other groups and bodies to link the fate of palestinians to that of the PLO, Hamas and Hezbolla, who of course are spectacularly poor representatives. Part of this is the inability to bring forth any moderate pro semitic, pro peace palestinian voices.

Secondly the tendency to blame Israel for any and all actions they take with no consideration to how they can protect themselves against palestinian terror and on the flipside the inability to acknowlegde the palestinians have any ability to stop or responsibility for the atrocities that get commited in their name. Again it ties into my previous point about their unwillingness to recognise any palestinian voice who is against violence.

Third and the one i have the strongest feelings about: the 75 year long history of denying palestinians any rights that is not connected to the land they were displaced from. Of all the many refugee groups they are the only one that is forced into the hellish state of perpetual refugee status. One which is wholly encouraged by UNWRA whose only motivation is to ensure that they will never not be refugees. This double standard is infuriating and dehumanising. No country is willing to take in palestinian refugees on account of the claim this will result in ethnic cleansing. A treatment, like i said which is applied to no other group. The only parallel i can think of this, the attachment of identity and rights to a specific piece of land is serfdom.

Finally the deplorable and self destructive attitude of palestinians themselves. The most damming indictment of the palestinians i can bring is the fact that after Oct7 Hamas is easily the most popular political group among them and according to the BBC the person most of them want to be their president is Barghouti, currently in Israeli jail. The most senior terrorist still alive and one of the architects of the second intifada. If that's not enough he comes from the most spectacularly murderous family among all the palestinians.

What is needed is a major cultural shift among palestinians and the international treatment of them. The only positive effort in that direction in the last 30 or 40 years has been the Abraham Accords, a process which i hope will continue, Trumps greatest foreign policy achievement and something which deserves far more support and recognition.

(edit: removed quoted sentence and added paragraph)

Yet another flagged post, this should be unflagged and returned to the default homepage.

Apparently pointing out the ethnic cleansing against Palestinians is not allowed here.

practically means little

however a clear display of the end of the US soft power, after an interesting 6 months of foreign policy

Labour is down really bad in the polls [1] and they need to score political points at least with left-wing voters who are currently split. This doesn't actually change anything on the ground especially as the UK is still arming Israel [2].

In the end, they might just end up tanking more in the polls as they end up having no consistent values.

[1] https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/

[2] https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-...

Last month the Wikipedia article for "International recognition of Palestine" had these countries in dark green, what am I missing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=International_rec...