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uncircle 10 hours ago

Serious question: how is declaring “oh wait, Palestine actually exists!” help the plight of the Palestinian people? I really doubt Bibi and his cronies will lose any sleep over a timid declaration in a climate that is increasingly critical of Israel’s actions.

In UK’s case, it seems to me more of the classic Starmer flailing about to recapture the votes of whatever group fared worst in his opinion polls. After appeasing Reform and the Tory voters, he probably feels it’s time to throw a bone to the Corbynites now.

toast0 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Recognizing Palestine as a state is an act of diplomacy that certainly has no specific benefit for the people of Palestine.

But it makes incursions into Palestine by Israel explicitly of an international nature. Palestine is and has been considered occupied territory, but without recognizing Palestine as a state, what soverign country's territory is occupied?

Perhaps now that there is a recognized country whose territory is being occupied, the recognizing countries may oppose the occupation in more specific ways. Perhaps, the same sorts of protestations without specific action as in years past.

Real (positive) change for Palestinians would start with Israel withdrawing from the occupied territories[1], and that needs more than a declaration of statehood, but a declaration of statehood may be a tiny step towards that goal.

[1] It's not strictly required, but I suspect it's more likely for Israel to withdraw than it is for Israel to radically change how they interact with the occupied territories.

Gud 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s better than the alternative, which is to NOT recognise Palestine.

XajniN 6 hours ago | parent [-]

For whom and how it’s better?

beefnugs 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If anyone really cared, there should have been drones from every country flying recon over the place for years now confirming or denying evidence of atrocity

Aeolun 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We don’t need drones for that. There’s plenty of Jordanian airdrops that confirm the destruction just fine:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/05/wasteland-rubb...

SilverElfin an hour ago | parent [-]

Interesting that Jordan doesn’t want to just accept the Islamic Arab population of Gaza into their land. Wouldn’t it be a lot easier than huge numbers of drops? It seems like they’re comfortable just sustaining this problem for their Jewish neighbors.

billy99k 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If anyone really cared, they would have pushed out Hamas years ago.