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FridayoLeary 11 hours ago

I think i should clarify what angers and dismays me the most about the current Israel palestine discourse.

First of all the consistent effort by the media and other groups and bodies to link the fate of palestinians to that of the PLO, Hamas and Hezbolla, who of course are spectacularly poor representatives. Part of this is the inability to bring forth any moderate pro semitic, pro peace palestinian voices.

Secondly the tendency to blame Israel for any and all actions they take with no consideration to how they can protect themselves against palestinian terror and on the flipside the inability to acknowlegde the palestinians have any ability to stop or responsibility for the atrocities that get commited in their name. Again it ties into my previous point about their unwillingness to recognise any palestinian voice who is against violence.

Third and the one i have the strongest feelings about: the 75 year long history of denying palestinians any rights that is not connected to the land they were displaced from. Of all the many refugee groups they are the only one that is forced into the hellish state of perpetual refugee status. One which is wholly encouraged by UNWRA whose only motivation is to ensure that they will never not be refugees. This double standard is infuriating and dehumanising. No country is willing to take in palestinian refugees on account of the claim this will result in ethnic cleansing. A treatment, like i said which is applied to no other group. The only parallel i can think of this, the attachment of identity and rights to a specific piece of land is serfdom.

Finally the deplorable and self destructive attitude of palestinians themselves. The most damming indictment of the palestinians i can bring is the fact that after Oct7 Hamas is easily the most popular political group among them and according to the BBC the person most of them want to be their president is Barghouti, currently in Israeli jail. The most senior terrorist still alive and one of the architects of the second intifada. If that's not enough he comes from the most spectacularly murderous family among all the palestinians.

What is needed is a major cultural shift among palestinians and the international treatment of them. The only positive effort in that direction in the last 30 or 40 years has been the Abraham Accords, a process which i hope will continue, Trumps greatest foreign policy achievement and something which deserves far more support and recognition.

(edit: removed quoted sentence and added paragraph)

tguvot 11 hours ago | parent [-]

>And they think this is a good opportunity to recognise a state?

narrator: yes.

because this is not about recognizing palestine, it's about punishing Israel (and making some people happy internally). UK openly said 2 months ago, "unless Israel does following things, we will recognize Palestine".

FridayoLeary 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly it's pure politics. I'm sure all the people getting blown up in Gaza city and who have lost everything appreciate this gesture.

It's not at all cowardly and disingenous of the UK to link their recognition of a palestinian state to Israels actions. It really shows how deeply they believe in this cause. Also well done for starmer for coordinating this with everyone else so the UK wouldn't be singled out by trump.

But i have to hand it to France and Macron for being the most disingenous and cowardly of the lot. They spearheaded this effort and are bravely waiting to see what Trump will do before putting their money where their mouth is.