OP is taking videos of his baby with these when Meta's page here doesn't event mention data privacy or security of the user's information or how it protects them

> I don’t know that there is a realistic path to build that trust at this point…

I suspect it's impossible as long as Zuckerberg is involved in the company.

> Meta has close to 4 billion people worldwide using one or more of their products.

If you ask any of those 4 billion people if they know WhatsApp is related in anyway to Meta, your answers will be split between "no" and "what's a Meta?"

You can use their products and still hate the brand.

I use Whatsapp daily (as does everyone I know) and there's no way I'm buying anything from Meta.

Instagram or WhatsApp are absolutely critical for daily functioning in certain circles of humanity.

Actually Facebook and WhatsApp are the only products I know of where even completely non-tech people like my mom or the other parents at my soccer game have ever mentioned something along the lines of "yeah I did X on Facebook so now whatshisname Zekkerburg knows about it too..."

These people probably have zero awareness about cookies, tracking, online disinformation campaigns and online security in general...yet the one "tech" thing they know is that Facebook spies on you.

Everyone is aware of how Meta kills privacy in their products. The products are still useful, especially at price point "free". And they are still riding on an installed base and network effect from a time before we cared that much about the privacy infringement.

But, actually paying for the privilege of being the product...that seems like an extremely hard sell from Facebook for me.

In my (totally limited) experience, most non-tech people don’t even know what Meta is. WhatsApp is almost the only messaging platform used where I live (and pretty much everywhere outside the US).

I remember doing Bug Bounty for Meta a while ago and telling some friends and family about it, and I had to repeatedly explain they _are_ Facebook and WhatsApp and Instagram and many other things because they would look at me like I was talking about aliens.

Those 4 billion people are using a free product with strong network effects. That has basically zero bearing on who's going to buy useless spyware glasses.

Mark was right: https://www.theregister.com/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/

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You’re about to be in a world where your consent is totally out of the picture with Meta releasing this product and people will be recording you all the time now and sending that data directly to Meta where they can then build models about where you are, who you’re with, what you’re doing and what you are talking about and all without providing you and way to opt out other than breaking the glasses when you encounter them in public.

Hah, same reason I bought my Quest 2. Figured I could buy a device that is subsidized by them, and then buy zero games on their platform and stream from my PC instead.

I was very angry though when they suddenly took away my USB debugging and had to go through another round of "verification".

I doubt it is to any measurable extent.

The (literally) billions of people around the world using Facebook and Instagram don't care.

Ray-Ban is part of EssilorLuxottica. They own pretty much every single (sun)glasses brand on earth. I'm sure someone in their organization has made the decision that Ray-Ban was the best fit for a brand in their portfolio to do something together with Meta.

Also, you're right about the niche. A lot of 'normal' people probably don't even have a clue that Meta and Facebook are the same thing.

You would avoid ray ban conventional glasses in protest at their association with meta? Don't forget to avoid the rest of Luxottica Group's products. I would bet (on Polymarket) against such a boycott gaining traction.

Huh. I genuinely thought they were already acquired.

Luxxotica is already terrible, predatory brand that makes shitty products.

"rebranding" takes more than saying "oh, now we are 'meta'" FB launched with great positive repetitional aura, but, at least to me, they have worn that away bit by bit over the years to the point where it becomes hard to earn back,.

They rebranded because Facebook is a limiting name for branching out into new markets. Clean slate is a bonus.

Facebook changed its name to Meta. Meta is the company with the brand problem, not Ray Ban.

8 days ago you would never buy a gimmicky device. Now a screen facehugger (which does even less than an iPad and is useful in even fewer situations) is the best thing you ever bought?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45188372

I use my Quest 2 constantly but the moment that rumored Valve Index with inside-out tracking becomes available I'm switching. Not only is the association with Facebook not great, their Windows desktop software is awful and constantly breaking. PCVR took a big back seat to the weak on-board stuff with the Quests.

Almost everyone I know who got a quest stopped using it after a week.

It's a fun toy, but gets boring pretty quickly.

One of these options (Meta vs. Chinese brands) is in bed with a dangerous totalitarian regime.

The other is the Chinese brands.

The Chinese government can’t do anything to affect my daily life. I would much rather the Chinese government know everything about me.

Not even close to that level lol