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| ▲ | uyzstvqs a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Almost every electronic device becomes disposable at some point, some sooner than others. Just make sure you bring them to an e-waste bin when that time comes. E-waste recycling is a profitable business, so there's always one nearby in my experience. If you have some old Samsung Galaxy Gio from 2011, it'll provide far more value by recycling it back to raw materials than it would if you'd somehow try to keep it usable in 2025. The problem here is planned obsolescence in a product's design. That is what needs to be made illegal. | | |
| ▲ | palata a day ago | parent [-] | | > Almost every electronic device becomes disposable at some point And we're all gonna die, why would we have laws at all? When we say "disposable vape", it's not to say "it will eventually stop working". It's more to say "you use it, you throw it away". > E-waste recycling is a profitable I don't doubt it's profitable, but it's most certainly not a good thing for the planet. Recycling is generally not a solution to waste. > The problem here is planned obsolescence in a product's design. That is what needs to be made illegal. Seriously? We're talking about DISPOSABLE VAPES. They are built to last as short a time as possible. At this point I am not sure if you think you disagree with me, are just nitpicking for the fun of it, or something else? | | |
| ▲ | uyzstvqs a day ago | parent [-] | | I am not disagreeing with you. I agree that these disposable vapes should be made illegal. What I meant is that "disposing" is a broad term and is not always bad. Many good products eventually become naturally obsolescent, at which point it's often best to responsibly dispose of them. The actual problem here is how the product is intentionally designed to only be used once, when that's absolutely unnecessary. We both agree on that. That falls within the issue of planned obsolescence, and that's what regulation needs to target. | | |
| ▲ | palata a day ago | parent [-] | | Right, got it. Though I don't believe that when someone talks about a "disposable" product, they mean that "this is a product that you will dispose of before you die". Usually "disposable" means that it's meant to have a short lifetime. A laptop or a smartphone are not "disposable" in that sense, even though we don't keep them for our lifetime. |
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| ▲ | conductr a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Would you include RFID tags in packaging? If so, you're law needs more nuance back to the drawing board. | | |
| ▲ | palata a day ago | parent [-] | | Sure, there is a need to draw a line somewhere. The plastic wrapping is disposable as well, and it's not always a solution to just not have it. But a disposable vape is very clearly on the side of "should not exist, period". | | |
| ▲ | lapetitejort a day ago | parent [-] | | Drawing the line will be the hardest part of writing a theoretical law banning electronics in disposable products. And the line will probably be obsolete a few weeks after the law takes effect. Which is why the line should be continuously drawn by a regulatory body, which in America are being an endangered species. | | |
| ▲ | palata a day ago | parent [-] | | Make a list of tolerated disposable electronics. RFID chips, maybe (and even then, not sure how much they are needed). What else? I don't think that I consume disposable electronics every day... | | |
| ▲ | stockresearcher 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | So they’ll get rebranded as decorative plastic sticks with a bonus temporary vaping feature, and the packaging will say that you must never throw it away, ever. I really hope you are starting to understand the difficulty in regulating products like this. A lot of people don’t want to do the right thing. | | |
| ▲ | palata 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | The law is meant to be interpreted. If a judge decides that you are bullshitting in order to sell an illegal product, you get a fine. All we need is judges who do their job. Which is easier said than done, I'll admit it. |
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| ▲ | Someone1234 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | What about Smoke Detectors, since they too are a disposable electronic? | | |
| ▲ | palata a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Do I misunderstand what we mean with "disposable vapes"? It's not the first such comment I see. When we talk about "disposable vapes", we don't talk about something that lasts 10 years, do we? Or do you think that the very word "disposable" should not exist, because after all, nothing will last longer than the sun? | |
| ▲ | x187463 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | You throw away your smoke detector? Just replace the battery. My guy is out here pulling off the whole thing and tossing it in the trash. | | |
| ▲ | Someone1234 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, Smoke Alarms should be thrown away. The element that detects smoke has a 10-year maximum life span, which is exactly why most have moved to a non-replaceable battery that forces you to throw it away (for safety). | | |
| ▲ | bityard a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm going to need to see some data to back up that claim. Americium-241 has a half-life of 432.6 years. The detector itself isn't going to degrade in any meaningful way after only 10 years. Plus, many smoke alarms these days use a photoelectric sensor which don't wear out but are prone to false alarms from dust, etc. Smoke alarms SHOULD be cleaned at least once a year, by blasting them with compressed air. Dust buildup is a very common reason that smoke alarms stop working as well after any number of years. They require regular cleaning, just like everything else in the house. Non-replaceable battery smoke alarms are popular because they are much more convenient to own. And you should NOT throw them away, the batteries in these contain lithium and must be recycled. | |
| ▲ | palata a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | So you're comparing a smoke detector that lasts 10 years to a disposable vape? Do disposable vapes last 10 years? |
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| ▲ | jtarrio a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Modern smoke detectors, at least here in the US, have a 10-year sealed non-replaceable battery. | | |
| ▲ | hn_acc1 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Interesting. We bought a bunch (5 pack, 6 pack?) from Costco IIRC about 3-5 years ago, and they all take 2 AA batteries, which is great because we've doubled down on Eneloop batteries for everything possible.. | |
| ▲ | sitzkrieg a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | every smoke detector i've seen takes a 9volt battery. maybe this is true for commercial units | | |
| ▲ | Someone1234 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Most of those smoke detectors are old and already passed their 10-year-lifespan. People keep putting 9-volt batteries in them, but they shouldn't. If you go look at modern smoke detectors, many-to-most, now have a non-replaceable battery for exactly that reason. | | |
| ▲ | wpm a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I didn't have to look far to replace my combo CO/Smoke detector or do a ton of hard searching to find one that just took a 9-volt. The first two results on Amazon US for "smoke detector" take 9-volts. | | |
| ▲ | Someone1234 a day ago | parent [-] | | > The first two results on Amazon US for "smoke detector" take 9-volts. I did the same thing, and the first four results were Kidde and First Alert Smoke Alarms with non-replaceable 10-year lifespan batteries. It is likely because you recently purchased one, and Amazon has targeted your results based on your purchase history. |
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| ▲ | sitzkrieg a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | thank you for the information, i bought some in 2023 and they all take 9v batteries so i am quite surprised by this |
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| ▲ | conductr a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Those exist and are still available but are fairly outdated in the US. The sealed lithium 10-year disposable is the newer standard. And, actually, building codes for last several year requires them to be hardwired so no batteries at all. The landlord special on older construction (maybe >10 years old, can't remember when the hardwire code went into effect) will usually be the 9v. Because they don't care about you having to get on a ladder to change the battery every year. They get to save $5-10 per smoke detector. Practically any homeowner is going to choose the 10 year option as the batteries don't have to be swapped. |
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