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| ▲ | nine_k 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Seems targeted at office workplaces. A locked-down system that cannot even be corrupted or tampered with. Consider a workplace of a receptionist at a medical office, or a library computer. Linux is wonderfully flexible, which allows to create distros like that, among other things. Linux is also free as in freedom, which may be very important for trusting the code you run, or which a governmental official runs. I bet that past the alpha stage they will offer a configuration tool to prepare the images to your liking, and ways to lock the system down even more. Would work nicely over PXE boot. | | |
| ▲ | Blikkentrekker 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | That seems like a good niche to exist indeed and many people would probably misunderstand its purpose by it being called a “KDE distribution”. It would perhaps have been better if it were created by some independent group for this purpose and just happened to settle upon KDE as its interface, or rather offer multiple choices to be honest. | | |
| ▲ | DoctorOW 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I disagree, KDE needs both a distro and a niche for that distro to fill: > KDE is a huge producer of software. It's awkward for us to not have our own method of distributing it | | |
| ▲ | Blikkentrekker 3 days ago | parent [-] | | No, KDE does not need its own distro, that's the issue. They don't need their own method to distribute it which benefits no one. The idea of a distribution for this specific purpose is best left in the hands of some organization with experience with this specific purpose, not KDE whose experience is developing desktop environments. How exactly is it “awkward” for them and how exactly does distributing this in any way improve the development process of KDE? They can't even dogfood it obviously. | | |
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| ▲ | macco 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The problem for this use case is that certain businesses, like medical offices, use specialized software that is often Windows only. | | |
| ▲ | Beretta_Vexee 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | More and more of this software is moving to the cloud and only requires a web browser.
A distribution that is very difficult to break and can launch a web browser would already meet many use cases for receptionists, hotels, consultation stations, etc. | | |
| ▲ | bb88 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, but doctors offices are still the last places in the US to use a fax machine. | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The fax protocol provides a real-time recipient receipt. Email doesn't. Seriously. That's the reason that fax is still popular in the medical industry. | | |
| ▲ | const_cast 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Also the limitations of fax sort of end up being it's differentiator to email and it's biggest advantage. Not needing an email server is a big boon, not really being susceptible to phishing is a boon, and with modern fax over internet it's virtually indistinguishable in user experience from email. | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I remember fax phishing even before I had ever heard of email. From many large companies, simply paying a sub $100 invoice was standard procedure without even checking with the other internal bodies. | | |
| ▲ | const_cast 2 days ago | parent [-] | | This is true, but it's much less of a concern because: 1. You get way less faxes than emails. 2. Faxes can't steal credentials. 3. You should be auditing expenses anyway. |
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| ▲ | sabas_ge 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | If only a standard existed to do this... Hint: it exists since ages in Italy and it has been extended to Europe recently (See Registered Electronic Mail - RFC 6109 and ETSI EN 319 532 – 4) |
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| ▲ | Beretta_Vexee 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The United States is not the only country in the world. In France, it is almost impossible to make an appointment without using Doctolib, which is SaaS software for booking consultations (and lots of other things). | | |
| ▲ | Hendrikto 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Same in Germany. Doctolib got popular very quickly, in just a fee years. Now it’s almost mandatory. I am not a fan. It’s a big outage waiting to happen. It’s an enormous data breach waiting to happen. It will inevitable be enshitified. | | |
| ▲ | triknomeister 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Doctolib is not the problem at all. he real problem is the lack of government proactivity on these initiatives. If the government had already thought about this in advanced (even in 2013 when doctolib was just starting out), then there could be very strong protectiosn for data which would then allay all of these concerns, and we might have had multiple players in this space. The best use of Doctolib for me is that I can make appointments without having to speak perfect German on phone. I can make appointments in evening when I'm back from office and can relax a little bit. So, doctolib is a godsend for me as an immigrant here. and I'm guessing for a lot of people too. I can look up doctors who are available without having to bother the receptionist. This is much more efficient way of doing things. | |
| ▲ | Beretta_Vexee 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Doctolib is a B2B model. Patients are not the customers; medical practices are the customers. Doctolib saves on the cost of a medical secretary, which is why it is so popular. What's more, this is a sensitive and regulated field, where trust is essential. They can't afford to mess around if they don't want to quickly find themselves subject to moe restrictive regulations. They were heavily criticised in France because they allowed charlatans and people with no medical training to register (particularly for Botox injections).
As soon as this became known, they quickly rectified the situation. | |
| ▲ | skeezyboy 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It will inevitable be enshitified.
that only happens with the western venture capitalist model in private companies. doctolib makers already have income from all these government contracts instead of just relying on adverts and hype |
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| ▲ | alex_suzuki 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not just in the US, they‘re surprisingly popular still here in Switzerland. I‘ve written interfaces to fax gateways (convert incoming fax to pdf, extract metadata, save in DB) multiple times. | |
| ▲ | kensai 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Germany here. Fax is king. |
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| ▲ | Wowfunhappy 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In that case, wouldn't ChromeOS actually make the most sense? | | |
| ▲ | eloisant 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | ChromeOS stops getting updates when your hardware gets a bit too old, at that point even your web browser is no longer updated. That's ridiculous. | |
| ▲ | Beretta_Vexee 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Because Chrome OS is offered on low-cost laptops that are unsuitable for office work. What's more, it's Google, so we're not safe from a ‘Lol, we're discontinuing support for Chrome OS. Good luck, Byeeee.’. Some offices still have bad memories of Google Cloud Print, for example. I'm not saying that being an early adopter of a distribution that's less than a year old is a good solution. Just that Google's business products don't have a very good reputation. | | |
| ▲ | lproven 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Because Chrome OS is offered on low-cost laptops that are unsuitable for office work. ChromeOS Flex exists, it is free of charge, and it runs on more or less any x86-64 computer, including Intel Macs. Nordic Choice got hit with ransomeware and rather than paying, just reformatted most of its client PCs with ChromeOS Flex and kept going with cloud services. https://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/nordic... | |
| ▲ | Wowfunhappy 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Businesses seem okay using Google Chrome, Google Drive/Docs, and Gmail. | | |
| ▲ | const_cast 3 days ago | parent [-] | | In my experience they're not, these are way less popular in enterprises as compared to Microsoft equivalents. | | |
| ▲ | lproven 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Being #2 with tens of millions of users is OK, you know. It doesn't mean you've failed. Sure it's less popular. It came in under 20 years ago, competing against an entrenched superpower that was already nearly 30 years old back then. It's done pretty well. The Google Apps for Business bundle has outsold by far ever single FOSS email/groupware stack in existence, and every other commercial rival as well. Notes is all but dead. Groupwise is dead. OpenXChange is as good as dead. HP killed OpenMail. |
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| ▲ | Loic 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because ChromeOS is not an open base? | | |
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| ▲ | inquirerGeneral 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | tsoukase 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My medical devices run Windows due to specialised software. But at my medical office PC I use Linux: EMR and receipts through a web app on browser (locally hosted but it can be cloud), LibreOffice, Weasis Dicom etc | |
| ▲ | mschuster91 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wine/Proton gets better every day though. | | |
| ▲ | FirmwareBurner 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Doctors have better things to do that learn Linux and Wine. Their office buys their stuff from a supplier which ships them a Windows box with all the batteries included. | | |
| ▲ | sotix 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | My non-software engineer friends have better things to do than learn Wine, and yet they use it everyday when playing games on their steam deck, unaware of its existence. | |
| ▲ | freehorse 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And that supplier could decide to bundle their box with such a distro, if this can save them money either due to licencing or better stability (=less support). It is possible for somebody to make this into a workable bundle targeting specific professions/environments. A doctor would not care if double clicking X icon open an app through wine or not. | | |
| ▲ | skeezyboy 3 days ago | parent [-] | | nice idea but enterprise cant rely on discord for tech support, they need stuff that works, and to be able to get it fixed when it doesnt | | |
| ▲ | const_cast 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Jira on-prem and cloud works just fine on Linux. My experience is support tickets usually go through there. And then calls and stuff are on zoom or maybe teams - both also work on Linux. |
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| ▲ | mschuster91 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wine makes for zero difference in how the application looks and behaves, that's the point. | | |
| ▲ | KETHERCORTEX 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Until there's a bug in Wine that affects the software that you use or new update of your software that uses stuff incompatible with Wine. | |
| ▲ | pqtyw 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For games? Yes (with some very major caveats). Non basic applications not so much. | |
| ▲ | FirmwareBurner 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are you working as a doctor? Or do you work in tech? | | |
| ▲ | mschuster91 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I happen to have started my career doing IT support for doctors and veterinarians... | |
| ▲ | akk0 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are you a doctor? | | |
| ▲ | FirmwareBurner 3 days ago | parent [-] | | You don't need a medical degree to have logic and common sense takes on the observed use of PCs by doctors around which I spend a lot of time around. That's why doctors in my country still prefer legacy physical pen and paperwork, versus interactions with the modern digitized equivalents which are universally hated because they're not designed by doctors but by some consultancy who won the government tender. Adding dealing with an unfamiliar OS and Wine on top of that is not the slam dunk you think it is. | | |
| ▲ | skeezyboy 3 days ago | parent [-] | | pin this comment. it illustrates the fight between the real world and the linux nerds, maybe even nerds in general. flash idea, quite grating in practice | | |
| ▲ | balder1991 3 days ago | parent [-] | | For the vast majority of people, including professionals like doctors, a computer or an OS is not a subject of interest, it's a tool, and they want it to be as invisible and reliable as the electricity that powers it. The moment the tool demands attention—be it through an error message, a confusing interface, or an unexplained requirement—it stops being a tool and becomes an obstacle that creates frustration, anxiety, and outright hatred. The average user doesn't want (and shouldn't need) to understand technical stuff like file formats (JPEG vs. PNG), the data load of video streaming, what a "driver" is, etc. Forcing them to grapple with these concepts is a fundamental design failure, but I think it’s a difficult pill to swallow for nerds to accept that others just don’t care about these things. This is why companies like Apple have been so successful: they don't just simplify the interface, they abstract away the complex, technical reality into a language and experience that feels intuitive and friendly for the users. | | |
| ▲ | yepitwas 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The industry has adopted entire, common UI elements that are hated by basically all people who aren't so used to computers that annoyances like this become invisible; I'm thinking especially of any kind of alert modal pop-up or announcement. The on-launch ones especially confuse the absolute hell out of "normie" users ("why's this here instead of the program I was trying to start? What's this about? How do I close it? 'Colorways'? WTF is that, do I need to do something with it, why did my browser icon open 'Colorways' instead of my browser and what the hell is it for? Is that what my browser is called now? Is that what my email (their usual default tab) is now?") [EDIT] The core problem, in case the example didn't make it clear, is that these things interrupt a workflow they use often, and are accustomed to having always work the same way, and do so in service, usually, of showing them a bunch of stuff they don't give a fuck about and didn't really need to know. Even the ones that block interaction to highlight new features are really bad—OK, that's nice, but I'm trying to do the thing I always do with this and you're getting in my way, making my program temporarily behave and look weird and confusing, et c. | | |
| ▲ | balder1991 3 days ago | parent [-] | | My mom often asks me to “fix” her phone, which means that she simply ventured to some unfamiliar place and doesn’t know how to get back to where she was supposed to be. For her, when something like that happens, the phone is “broken”. She has no conceptual understanding of what’s an app and a webpage and why they’re treated differently, she just kinda accepted she uses something called Firefox to do a search and some icon in the phone that has the exact name of the other app she wants to use. She never understood (or cared) what it means to “close” an app if she already does that when she presses home or back, no matter how much I try to explain. When you think about it, it’s all very confusing for them, and since people making these things already understand them well, they make stuff assuming the users will understand the whole thing as well as they themselves do. | | |
| ▲ | yepitwas 3 days ago | parent [-] | | This is why I think the single "home button" interface was one of the most brilliant UI innovations ever (no, I'm not joking) and Apple was insane to abandon it. Hit home (maybe twice, if you weren't on the very first screen of apps) and you're back to somewhere you know. Hit it too many times, nothing bad happens. And it's a physical (or, convincingly physical-imitating) button! It never moves around, it's always in the same place and you can feel it! It's one of the most comfortable, reassuring, and for normal users practically useful UI elements ever created. Even if you hold the button down and get in a "weird" mode (app moving and deleting mode) the way out is to... press the button once. It always works. No other buttons (visible on the face, anyway) to confuse it for. It's right in comfortable reach of the thumb. "Which button do I push again? Oh right, there's only one." (I also think going to "swipe up to unlock" instead of the brilliant slider they had before was a big mistake, as far as reducing the level of comfort for the median user) |
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| ▲ | const_cast 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Linux doesn't have to grapple with any of that. Consumer distros do, because they're general purpose operating systems designed to be run on anything for any use case. But your POS system where you enter in orders? That's Linux. And guess what - it just works, it chugs along and does its thing. There's no reason that doctors offices couldn't use software that utilizes Linux. And to pretend that windows is low maintenance? Tsk tsk, windows is a time bomb. |
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| ▲ | uneven9434 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | What you want may be an "immutable" distro (KDE Linux also is). And there have be some immutable distros now. Such as Fedora Silverblue. |
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| ▲ | sho_hn 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It doesn't necessarily take much hackability away. You might find it makes it easier. You can overlay changes to the read-only rootfs using the sysext mechanism. You can load and unload these extensions. This makes experiments or juggling debug stuff a lot easier than mucking about in /usr used to be. A lot of KDE Linux is about making updates and even hackability safe in terms of making things trivial to roll back or remove. A goal is to always be able to unwedge without requiring a reinstall. If you know you can overlay whatever over your /usr and always easily return to a known-good state, hackability arguably increases by lowering the risk. | | |
| ▲ | RossBencina 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | This overlay feature sounds attractive. It bothers me that there is no easy traceability or undoability when I perform random system-level Ubuntu configuration file edits to make things work on my system. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. Sure I could do the professional sysadmin thing and keep a log book of every configuration change, or maybe switch to NixOS and script all my configuration changes, but something with lower effort would be welcome. Ideally you want the equivalent of "git commit -m<explanation>", "git diff" and "git log" for every change you make to system configuration. | | |
| ▲ | stakhanov 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | CachyOS and openSUSE have you covered with btrfs and snapper pre-configured to take snapshots before/after doing potentially damaging things (and, of course, you can make them manually, whenever the thought occurs to you that you're entering the "danger zone"). You can boot into a snapshot directly from the boatloader, then rollback if you need to. Immutable distros just one-up that by trying to steer the system in a direction where it can work with a readonly rootfs in normal operation, and nudging you to take a snapshot before/after taking the rootfs from readonly to read-write. (openSUSE has you covered there as well, if that's your thing; it's called MicroOS). Both of those distros use KDE by default, so the value-add of KDE having its own distribution is basically so they can have a "reference implementation" that will always have all the latest and greatest that KDE has to offer, and showcase to the rest of the Linux world, how they envision the integration should be done. If I were to set up a library computer or a computer for my aging parents, I would choose openSUSE Leap Micro with KDE, as that would put the emphasis on stability instead. | | | |
| ▲ | codethief 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Ideally you want the equivalent of "git commit -m<explanation>", "git diff" and "git log" for every change you make to system configuration. If you already commit all your changes, anyway, what keeps you from using Nix and running one more command (`nixos-rebuild switch`)? | |
| ▲ | albertzeyer 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I keep my /etc under Git. When the system does changes automatically (via an update or whatever), I make a Git commit with a special distinct message, and so I can easily filter out all my own changes. | |
| ▲ | mkesper 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Etckeeper does that for changes to /etc https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Etckeeper | |
| ▲ | mikae1 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > something with lower effort would be welcome This is a major reason I ended up with https://getaurora.dev. I layer a few things, but it comes with bells and whistles (like NVIDIA drivers, if you need that). I can't see myself going back to a "normal" distro. I don't want to spend time cosplaying a sysadmin, I have things to do on my computer. |
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| ▲ | seba_dos1 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It doesn't necessarily take much hackability away. It doesn't, though - as evidenced by my Steam Deck - it adds enough friction to make me not bother most of the time. |
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| ▲ | dangus 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don’t mean this as a gotcha, but have you tried an immutable/atomic Linux distro? Immutable/Atomic Linux doesn’t take away any ability to hack and configure it. It’s just a different approach to package and update management. There really isn’t anything you fans do with it that you can do on other Linux distros. I’m using Bazzite which is basically in the Fedora Atomic family and all it really changes is that if I want to rpm install something and there’s no flatpak or AppImage then I just need to decide on my preferred alternate method to install it. I find Bazzite’s documentation on the subject quite helpful: https://docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and_Managing_Software/ At the very worst case I’m using rpm-ostree and installing the software “traditionally” and layering it in with the base OS image. Now you might be thinking, what’s the benefit of going through all this? Well, I get extremely fast and reliable system updates that can be rolled back, and my system’s personalization and application environment is highly contained to my home directory. I’m not an expert but I have to think that there are security benefits to being forced into application sandboxing as well. Applications can’t just arbitrarily access data from each other. This isn’t explicitly a feature of immutable/atomic Linux but being forced into installation methods that are not rpm is. | |
| ▲ | sandreas 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think Aurora Linux[1] is more suitable for this purpose. However, while I love the approach of having an immutable distribution, I don't see the attack vector of ransomware handled in a good way. It does not help, if your OS is intact, but your data is irrecoverably lost due to a wrong click in the wrong browser on your system. I think the backup and restore landscape has enough tools to fix this (cloud + restic[2] or automated ZFS snapshots[3]), but it takes a bit time / a script to setup something like this for your parents in your favorite distro. 1: https://getaurora.dev/en 2: https://github.com/restic/restic 3: https://zrepl.github.io/ | | |
| ▲ | erremerre 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I have just checked, and Aurora Linux does not offer support for any Nvidia card older than 16xx. Looks like they used to, so they have removed the option. | | |
| ▲ | ThatMedicIsASpy 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Strange since Bazzite still has 900&1000 driver options. Building your own is an option
https://github.com/ublue-os/image-template | | |
| ▲ | erremerre 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I am willing to try an image officially supported but definitely I am not building my own to run a computer for my mom given that w10 supports ends, don't have the spoons nor the time for that. But I guess it is best to have the option that not to have it. | | |
| ▲ | munchlax 3 days ago | parent [-] | | If this is related to the split in Mesa for "Gallium" and "non-Gallium" support, you could try installing the amber branch. Older nvidia video cards are still supported that way. However, the only distro I could find where it actually worked was Chimera. Not the gaming-related ChimeraOS but the from-scratch LLVM-compiled all-static APK and Dinit distro with a hodgepodge userland ported from the BSDs. It's rolling release though so it'll happily install the latest bugs. But it probably does that faster than any other distro. |
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| ▲ | LelouBil 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean, nothing stops you from building your image of KDE Linux (or any immutable distro) with a built-in restic config. This is more about preventing the user from messing up their computer than it is about data safety. I've been using Bazzite for 2 years now (an immutable distro based on Fedora Silver blue) and I just love the fact that I can "unlock" the immutability to try something that could mess up my systemd or desktop environment, and I can just reboot to erase it all away. I also have a github action to build my custom image with the packages I want, and the configuration I want. And this makes adding a backup setup even easier, it can be baked-in the distro easily with a custom image ! Your grandparents don't have to do anything, it will auto update and auto apply (and even rollback to the n-1 build if it fails to boot) | | |
| ▲ | sandreas 4 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > I mean, nothing stops you from building your image of KDE Linux (or any immutable distro) with a built-in restic config. I hear you. The problem is, that basically nothing stops you from building anything yourself. The difference is, that there is no easy-to-use build-in solution (like time machine) and ease of use is what makes the difference. Especially a TIME difference. Of course there is software SIMILAR to time machine, but it seems to be hard to write something rock solid and easy-to-use. In fact I also have built it myself: https://github.com/sandreas/zarch
A script that installs Arch on ZFS with ZFSBootMenu and preconfigurable "profiles" which packages and aurs to use. Support for CachyOS Kernel with integrated ZFS is on my list. I already thought putting together a Raspberry PI Image that uses SSH to PULL backups over the network from preconfigured hosts with preconfigured root public keys and is easily configurable via terminalUI, but I did not find the time yet :-) Maybe syncthing just is enough... | |
| ▲ | RossBencina 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > nothing stops you from building your image of KDE Linux Isn't the main point that you delegate curating and building the system image to the KDE project? | | |
| ▲ | sirspudd 3 days ago | parent [-] | | No, the main point is they provide a reference image using mkosi, and you can clone kde-linux and trivially make spins. At some point I expect just about everyone is gonna find a spin which scratches all their itches and which they are devoted too. |
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| ▲ | hulitu 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > However, while I love the approach of having an immutable distribution, I don't see the attack vector of ransomware handled in a good way The phylosophy of security in "modern" OSs is to protect the OS from the user. The user is evil and, given so many rights, it will destroy the (holy) OS. And, user data ? What user data ? /s |
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| ▲ | ktosobcy 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Sounds like a good distro to use with your parents and grand parents, if they're not solely using iPads... THIS! I was pondering putting Linux on my father's ancient machine (still running Windows7; or migrating him to something slightly newer but win10/win11 doesn't rub me the right way) but I was weary of "something wrong happening" (and I'm away right now). And having immutable base would be awesome - if something goes wrong just revert back to previous one and voila, everything still works. And he would have less options to break something… | |
| ▲ | abhinavk 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It makes hacking easier in some ways too. Overlay any hacks. It will be gone by reboot unless you want otherwise. Also see blue-build.org <- It helps you to put all your hacks in the immutable image. | |
| ▲ | rollcat 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > What appeals to me about linux is the hackability and configurability. Innovation happens on stable foundations, not thru rug pulls. Yes, you have the freedom to make your system unbootable. When Debian first tried to introduce systemd, I've replaced PID 1 with runit, wrote my own init scripts & service definitions, and it ran like this quite well, until... the next stable release smashed me in the face. It's absurd how hackable the Linux distros are. It's also absurd to do this to your workhorse setup. | |
| ▲ | 999900000999 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I like hacking Linux too. But some people just want a computer to work. It's not like you can't try a simple distro and move on to something more complex later. | |
| ▲ | WhyNotHugo 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The immutable aspect and the way the OS is designed sounds like a good fit for that. But I wouldn't use KDE for the typical cliched (grand)parents: it's just way too complicated for someone who's doesn't have high proficiency in tech. | |
| ▲ | FirmwareBurner 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | >That might be their target audience. Seems like a lot of effort and fanfare for such a niche market. | | |
| ▲ | keyle 3 days ago | parent [-] | | That "niche" market of ageing parents with legacy hardware is much bigger than the nerd hacker market of Arch linux. | | |
| ▲ | FirmwareBurner 3 days ago | parent [-] | | The difference is there's a lot more HN-like users who will go out to run Arch, than ageing people installing who will go out to install Linux instead of getting a iPad/tablet. |
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