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Bluesky Is Booming in Japan(japantimes.co.jp)
28 points by belter 8 hours ago | 39 comments
fallinghawks 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is great news to me. I've made the switch to Bluesky, but don't want to close my account on X yet because I follow a bunch of Japanese game devs, for whom US politics is not a reason to leave. Hope to see them on bsky.

toddmorey 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The article nails Twitter's problem: spambots and promoted tweets. Checking Twitter now feels like checking my spam folder. Bluesky at the moment feels like a group chat with old friends.

It will get worse as it grows—that's how these things seem to go. However, two things give me a bit of hope: first it's been a chance for a complete reset and I'm ruthless curating who I follow. Secondly, and most importantly, hackability and API access makes it easier to filter out the stuff I don't want to see. You don't even have to built it yourself! There are already AI tools that will hide screenshots from Twitter / Insta / etc for example.

josefritzishere 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Twitter nazi problem is also real. Nobody wants to hang out at a pub where a bunch of nazis are doing their nazi thing. Ditto chatrooms, social media etc.

sundaeofshock 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the “Don’t engage, just block” culture helps a lot. I don’t have much of a block list since the larger accounts I follow have been ruthless in with their block lists. There is a spam-bot “herd-immunity” developing in certain communities on Bluesky.

fofoz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bluesky stats:

https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

https://bcounter.nat.vg/

attilakun 6 hours ago | parent [-]

These are great. I'm working on something related, a hashtag tracker for Bluesky [1]. Japanese posts are often among the top hashtags.

[1] https://www.butterflystats.com/

nixpulvis 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm still waiting for the dust to settle before I open my starter packs.

I don't really need to be caught up in the hype. Even though marketing myself more would be nice. This rat race is exhausting sometimes.

amazingamazing 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Silly fools - once they need money it’ll turn to poo just like all other social media.

bryanlarsen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There was an intermediate state on Twitter -- where the default experience was poo but one could make Twitter palatable by using third party clients and other tools.

The promise of Bluesky is that this intermediate state won't be yanked. There are some steps they've taken to fulfill this promise, but it's not fully realized.

rsynnott 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, if it just gets as bad as pre-Musk Twitter (which was basically financially stable, albeit certainly not printing money), then I think a lot of people would be okay with that. People were tolerant of a lot of shit from Twitter; there's a reason it was affectionately known as the hellsite.

mehdix 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Filter this page [1] for newly created profiles and see how it grows in realtime.

https://firesky.tv/

nixpulvis 7 hours ago | parent [-]

What the hell am I looking at here!? This surely can't be ALL the messages right!? That would be amazing.

Someone want to do the math on bitrates?

sundaeofshock 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Seems reasonable to me. If only 10% of the user base posts just twice a day, we are talking about 4.2 million posts in a single day or about 48 posts/second.

maelito 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

French posts have also skyrocketed.

p4bl0 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Indeed! In particular in higher-education and research many people moved over to Bluesky in the past two weeks. In fact, the biggest "starter pack" on the platform is the French “#HelloESR” pack (ESR means "enseignement supérieure et recherche", literally "higher-education and research").

maelito 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I can't find the stats per language anymore...

esskay 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not really a Japan exclusive thing, it's had massive growth recently.

leosanchez 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Did people stop having meltdown about politics?

When I installed few days ago every post was about politics it was suffocating.

michael_nielsen 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I see virtually no politics. Maybe don't follow accounts which post about politics?

leosanchez 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I didn't follow anybody.

It was all I saw after creating account (which was just after US election results). Maybe i should give it another try.

amazingamazing 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You see posts even without following anyone smh

swed420 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Considering the world is on an insane trajectory, it's probably good politics is being discussed. If you can't handle reality, try blocking based on keywords to insulate yourself from it.

hagbard_c 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Discussing politics in an echo chamber - which is what BS has rather quickly devolved into - does not help in resolving the 'insane trajectory' the world is supposed to be on. To resolve that it should not just be discussed but also acted upon in the real world where everyone gets to have a say instead of just those who happen to follow the desired narrative. Such discussions tend to be contentious and often not at all 'nice' but that's what you get when discussing important issues in an open forum. In that respect X does a lot better than heavily polarised venues like BS ('left') or Gab ('right').

Of course X will only be better in this respect as long as there are some 'progressives' who refrain from following the herd to the next echo chamber. If all of them leave X will become another Gab.

swed420 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Your compressed Overton window isn't doing you any favors. If all you see is "left" on bluesky, then you're operating on the terms that liberals and conservatives use, usually unconsciously, to further the interests of capital at their own expense.

If you look closer, you'll see that liberal != leftist, and both exist on BS, and not exclusively in echo chambers.

There's currently a shift or awakening happening where some liberals are actually self reflecting for a change, because they realize they're standing on false ground.

Also, you can see on the bluesky subreddit that many users are aware that they shouldn't be blindly trusting the curated user blocklists, if for no other reason that they're being curated dishonestly (surprise, surprise).

Old Twitter was always a steaming pile, and Musk didn't change that with X. Bluesky is actually innovative and refreshing. Time will tell how that holds up.

hagbard_c 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The amount of BS astroturf - or should that be bluescreen [1] given the subject at hand? - is remarkable which makes me wonder whether these posts are created by a small but dedicated number of users. Having a quick look at the submission history for belter, a prolific high-karma poster indicates this might be the case given that it shows 7 posts in the last 4 days which either directly plug BS (3 posts) or are negative towards something related to Musk or X (4 posts).

7 posts in 4 days sounds like a person on a mission. What about others though? It would be a coincidence if belter happened to be the leader of the pack when it comes to BS bluescreening. So, what does it look like for the last 7, 31, 365 and (why not) 3650 days? Well, like this when searching for posts with 'bluesky' in the title [2]:

In the last 7 days belter was actually the most prolific bluescreener. In the last 31 days (i.e. including the whole post-election period) the following users submitted two or more posts with 'bluesky' in the title:

      2 "coloneltcb"
      2 "davidbarker"
      2 "hasheddan"
      2 "hboon"
      2 "Karrot_Kream"
      2 "Kye"
      2 "ulrischa"
      3 "belter"
      3 "colinprince"
      3 "consumer451"
      4 "cannibalXxx"
      4 "speckx"
     11 "mooreds"
Run the command yourself [2] for the other results, they are less interesting. The results show most 'bluesky' posts come from individual users so in that respect this disproves the thesis that the whole BS push is the result of a few users trying to create groundswell around BS while showing there are a number of users, belter being one of those who are pushing the subject with above-average fervour.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_key

[2] Run this command:

    now=$(date +%s);query="bluesky";for n in 7 31 365 3650;do echo -e "\nLAST $n days\n"; curl -s -d '{"query":"'$query'","page":0,"hitsPerPage":1000,"minProximity":7,"numericFilters":["created_at_i>'$((now - (n*24*60*60)))'"],"restrictSearchableAttributes":["title","url"]}' 'https://uj5wyc0l7x-dsn.algolia.net/1/indexes/Item_dev_sort_date/query?x-algolia-agent=Algolia%20for%20JavaScript%20(4.13.1)%3B%20Browser%20(lite)&x-algolia-api-key=28f0e1ec37a5e792e6845e67da5f20dd&x-algolia-application-id=UJ5WYC0L7X'|jq '.["hits"].[].author'|sort|uniq -c|sort -n;done|less
hagbard_c 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Running a variation on the command [1] above shows that belter is not so much focused on BS, rather he has a bone to pick with Musk which most likely explains his interest in X-alternative BS:

    Top authors for posts mentioning 'musk':

    LAST 7 days

      2 "breadwinner"
      2 "cannibalXxx"
      2 "highcenburg"
      2 "mpweiher"
      2 "peutetre"
      2 "RobinHirst11"
      2 "thunderbong"
      3 "rntn"
      4 "belter"
      4 "JumpCrisscross"

    LAST 31 days

      4 "ivewonyoung"
      4 "marban"
      4 "paulpauper"
      4 "rbanffy"
      5 "mitchbob"
      6 "peutetre"
      7 "rntn"
      8 "2OEH8eoCRo0"
      8 "JumpCrisscross"
     15 "belter"

    LAST 365 days

     12 "howard941"
     12 "isaacfrond"
     12 "jrflowers"
     15 "bookofjoe"
     15 "rbanffy"
     17 "doener"
     19 "peutetre"
     27 "rntn"
     29 "JumpCrisscross"
     30 "belter"

    LAST 3650 days

     12 "howard941"
     12 "isaacfrond"
     12 "jrflowers"
     15 "bookofjoe"
     15 "rbanffy"
     17 "doener"
     19 "peutetre"
     27 "rntn"
     29 "JumpCrisscross"
     30 "belter"


 [1] Run this command:
    query="musk"; now=$(date +%s); echo -e "Top authors for posts mentioning '${query}':\n";for n in 7 31 365 3650;do echo -e "\nLAST $n days\n"; (curl -s -d '{"query":"'$query'","page":0,"hitsPerPage":1000,"minProximity":7,"numericFilters":["created_at_i>'$((now - (n*24*60*60)))'"],"restrictSearchableAttributes":["title","url"]}' 'https://uj5wyc0l7x-dsn.algolia.net/1/indexes/Item_dev_sort_date/query?x-algolia-agent=Algolia%20for%20JavaScript%20(4.13.1)%3B%20Browser%20(lite)&x-algolia-api-key=28f0e1ec37a5e792e6845e67da5f20dd&x-algolia-application-id=UJ5WYC0L7X'|jq '.["hits"].[].author'|sort|uniq -c|sort -n|tail -10) ;done
sundaeofshock 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People post frequently on topics they like. There are plenty of folks on HN that are heavily engaged in just a few topics, from specific programming languages to certain political ideas.

mgraybosch 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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libsmentalill 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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nixpulvis 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I won't stop them.

incomingpain 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Japan is 1 of 2 countries whose political polarization is worse than the usa.

The democrats fleeing to bluesky after the unexpected to them win of Trump, the greatest threat to democracy...

Identical for Japan's exodus. LDP did still win in october.

One of the shocking things CNN recently said. X is properly balanced politically. This is what's needed to cure the polarization.

piva00 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> One of the shocking things CNN recently said. X is properly balanced politically. This is what's needed to cure the polarization.

Care to elaborate? I really don't see the logical steps for this to happen, those bubbles don't intermingle on platforms since they pigeon hole themselves, the only overlap is through slinging shit onto the other side.

Would really appreciate some elaboration on how exactly this statement could have any logic.

sundaeofshock 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I didn’t see that CNN article, however I do see my feed on twitter. It’s a depressing flood of MAGA assholes that made it painful to see anything interesting. I’m sick of all the rage bait that’s pushed because it juices engagement numbers.

It’s been a joy to follow conversations on Bluesky and not have to worry about some chud interrupting with “cry more libtard” or some anti-trans bullshit.

jazz9k 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bluesky is just another haven for degenerate behavior with authoritarian leaders. It will be gone within a year or two.

walthamstow 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I am entirely fed up with articles about Bluesky growth / Twitter demise that include only the proportions and not the absolute values

So Bluesky users quintupled... is that from 5 to 25 or what?

ahiknsr 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

From the article

> Active daily user numbers in Japan of Facebook-owner Meta's Threads have picked up from about 500,000 to 1.5 million, while for Bluesky it has gone from about 50,000 to about 500,000.

walthamstow 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Thanks. I don't have a subscription. I was mostly venting about the first two paras that I can see and the many other articles using SimilarWeb data which don't include this info.

It's interesting that the numbers give do not show a 5x quintupling, but actually 10x growth

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