▲ | Mattasher 6 days ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I'm not sure how common this type of intersection is. I live and bike daily in Amsterdam and it took me about a minute to fully understand what's going on here. The picture seems to show a special case where the intersecting road is bike only, and instead of the normal painted arrows that show where bikes should queue up when making a left, there's an open area off to the left where one would wait behind the "shark teeth". FYI if you are ever biking here in NL, the thing to remember is that if the "haaientanden" point at you, watch out!, as that means you do not have the right of way. Edit: The side roads are for cars as well, which means you have a strange turning lane in the middle of the intersection where traffic might back up. A simple roundabout seems like a much better solution here unless the goal is to keep cars moving quickly and the turn lane is rarely used. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | coolgoose 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I never understood why people have a tough time understanding the lovely shark teeth signs. It's literally a painted give way sign. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | hellweaver666 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Fellow Amsterdam resident here, this kind of layout is very common all over the city (I live in the south of the city but I have seen these all over). | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | itronitron 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Can someone explain this, the italicized part below, in more detail? >> When you approach from the side street, as a driver, the order of dealing with other traffic is different, but the priority is similar. First you will notice a speed bump. The complete intersection is on a raised table. Pedestrians would not have priority if the street was level, but now that it isn’t the “exit construction” rule could apply and in that case a crossing pedestrian would have priority. But for that rule to apply the footway should be continuous, and that is not the case here. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | gpvos 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I haven't read the entire article, but this is a very common situation: main road with two cycle paths crosses a minor road (or has two side roads at the same place). All roads are also for cars. I'm not sure why the article makes such a difference between the two side roads: they seem quite similar apart from the one-car waiting space before the cycle path. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | Etheryte 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
These types of interactions are pretty much everywhere outside of historical city centers and the like where you don't have space for it. You might not find them in the old town of Ams, but as soon as you head out a bit, you see them everywhere. Same in Delft and pretty much anywhere else with historic architecture. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | alexanderchr 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Yeah there is not really space for these eleborate intersections in central Amsterdam. Most are signal controlled or pure spaghetti with trams coming from four directions with almost absolute priority, like this one https://www.google.com/maps/place/52%C2%B021'49.1%22N+4%C2%B... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | vanderZwan 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
In general, separate bike lines are nothing special in the Netherlands, even in Amsterdam. However, it's an old, compact city with narrow streets, so you're unlikely to see these types of intersections in those streets. Same is true for other old city centers with compact layouts. You're more likely to see this if you go to places with more space, such as suburbs built in the last century (which basically means going to another town or city that Amsterdam grew into, because in the Netherlands city distribution is also compact). As you can see from the picture this street is in such a neighborhood. Also, the general concept of having a distance of one car between crossing and bike lane is universal whenever there is space. I can give you a personal anecdote (at the cost of doxxing myself). I grew up in Oldeberkoop, a tiny village with around 1500 people in it that somehow has its own wikipedia page[0]. Just outside of the village is a crossing with an N-road, which is Dutch for "provincial national road but not quite highway". In the early nineties it was still a simple crossing, no separate bike lanes, and I recall traffic accidents happening once or twice every year. For context, nowadays the speed limit on provincial roads is 100 km/h[2], although in the early nineties it was still 80 km/h. That didn't matter though: everyone was speeding as if they were on a highway and going 120 to 140 km/h. In mid nineties the crossing was changed to a roundabout, solving the speeding problem, and separate bike lanes were added (this also reduced traffic noise a lot). In the early 2000s the roundabout was changed to the safer design described in the article: more space between corner and bike lane, and a bigger island in the middle of the road for pedestrians[3]. I haven't heard of any incidents in the years since. Recall: this is a village of 1500 people. When the article says: > I would like to emphasise that this intersection is not special in any way. You can find many similar examples all over the country. That is because the design features stem from the design manuals which are used throughout the country. ... it is not exaggerating. This is the norm with any new intersection that is being built, or any existing one that is due for its two-decade maintenance. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldeberkoop [1] https://www.wegenwiki.nl/Provinciale_weg [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_Netherland... [3] https://www.google.com/maps/@52.9331081,6.1326563,3a,75y,49.... |