| ▲ | misterderpie 6 hours ago |
| LLMs end up changing the consumer market not the way big corporations would like to. It is impressive to see that we'll be able to give ownership back to the customer, or enable others to do so.
Very nice demonstration. |
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| ▲ | lubujackson 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's the web all over again. We have maybe 5 years of freedom before the walls close in around us, so take advantage of the Wild West while you can. |
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| ▲ | theshrike79 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I’ve said this for years: Use the VC-funded monthly quota AI to build tools and applications for yourself or small groups. Don’t use a cloud AI itself as the engine of your application. Even if AI goes away tomorrow, the tools will still exist. | | |
| ▲ | testtestmetest 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No they wwont, they'll never be maintained. Theyll decay with their vibes. People who vibe code whole swaths of software are'nt capable of caring enough to maintain it. Llms mostly make smart people lazy and or stupid. | | |
| ▲ | theshrike79 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I've had my 99% vibe coded Hazel replacement running for almost a year now. Still works. Same with my bespoke IRC client, RSS feed hydrators and a dozen other small utilities I've vibe coded. All stuff that I've been planning for a long time, but haven't found out the time to dedicate to them. Now I'm saving actual money every year because I could drop subscriptions applications. Not every application needs a weekly release with new groundbreaking features. They're just one and done. Maybe an update if you hit a sharp edge while using it. | |
| ▲ | colonelspace 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I used Claude to document the wire and firmware protocol for an expensive piece of equipment I own where the only software available ran on PowerPC OS X. Is this just "vibes"? Maybe, but I now have a full, verified spec, against which to build software for myself, also with a little bit of "vibes". Is this a good or bad thing? | | |
| ▲ | freecodeio an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Is this a good or bad thing? that is entirely dependent how accurate the spec is | | |
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| ▲ | holoduke 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Vibe coded software is currently already better than half the developers out there. Accept it. Code won't be seen anymore. It's a skill only a handful of jobs require to have. | |
| ▲ | whoanoway an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | agumonkey 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | we need a group for this, de-llm the knowledge set of the model |
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| ▲ | baby_souffle 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > We have maybe 5 years of freedom before the walls close in around us, so take advantage of the Wild West while you can. I suspect you're right BUT still maintain a bit of optimism.
We miiiight end up in a future where most hardware comes with an OK-ish app/interface and some sort of LLM-Friendly technical documentation so if you don't like $aspect of the device, you're free to roll your own after indemnifying the manufacturer via something like an eFuse. or maybe I really am naive :( | | |
| ▲ | testtestmetest 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Lmao if a company starts shipping llm documentation for its products so you can tamper with them, you should assume youve woken up in a parallel universe. I think most people on here fail to realize the demand to customize and build things hasnt gone up. Just because llms exist now doesnt mean normies all of a sudden want to start getting into programming, they dont care. The only number thats gone up is people who were slightly interested in programming/CS before but were too undisciplined to learn things themselves. Llms are great for those lazy people. | | |
| ▲ | leesalminen 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My dad, who is in his 70s, recently started recreating a piece of audio visualization software from the 00s using Codex. He’s having the time of his life! He was never interested in programming/CS. He just wants his software back. | |
| ▲ | Crye 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I get the point that you're trying to make, but it's not just people who were undisciplined. I spent many years developing code projects that I remember spending hours every afternoon just to ship a single feature, and that pace has obviously changed. I still get the joy of translating ideas and orchestrating and architecting solutions to problems I have in real life, but just at a quicker pace. If some of those tools and solutions can help other people, that's great. If not, that's okay too. I hope everyone sort of has that mindset who's building today. | |
| ▲ | Caloric3002Swed 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >The only number thats gone up is people who were slightly interested in programming/CS before but were too undisciplined to learn things themselves. Llms are great for those lazy people. Me! haha I dont even know github I use it as google Yes I have full time IT job xD |
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| ▲ | cortesoft 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We still have amazing freedom on the web like we never did before. They have been trying to stop online piracy for 30 years and have no succeeded at all. | | | |
| ▲ | poszlem 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | stephbook 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You extrapolate from current machines. I do believe that AI-assisted companies will build AI-assisted always-online machines that will be worth their money, no need to hack.
I imagine a $25 Starlink subscription for a John Deere fleet of autonomous tractors that work through the night will replace what we have now. (to stay within physical machinery, like the post.) |
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| ▲ | freecodeio an hour ago | parent [-] | | john deere machines have been doing very well without llm actually I have no idea what would llm do to make their machines better | | |
| ▲ | dzhiurgis 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > actually I have no idea what would llm do to make their machines better Lack of imagination on here can sometimes be disheartening |
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| ▲ | agumonkey 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| some 'funniest ways to use claude ..' youtube videos felt that way. people were able to revive, repair, optimize a lot of day to day devices, very nice view. that said cars and heavy appliances.. should be done in a big public warehouse safety lab |
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| ▲ | close04 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Wait until those big corporations start using LLMs to learn how to lock things down even further, or implement checks that disable your car when it detects alterations to the software “for safety reasons”, or go after drivers who do these things for loss of revenue, etc. A ‘94 Jeep will be fair game but a new car might not be. |
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| ▲ | dns_snek 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They've been doing that for a decade. I think overall the balance will shift in our favor but Big AI labs will do everything they can to try and stop us. Claude is quick to refuse to help with reverse engineering and I suspect it's only going to get worse over time. | | |
| ▲ | close04 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, they have been on that road for years. Tesla showed everyone the way with things like always-on connectivity or not being able to change a headlight with another original one without Tesla’s blessing. What I meant is that whatever I can do with an LLM they can do more. And if they can invoke “safety” that'll keep the law on their side for some time. As far as I can tell no manufacturer disables the car yet when detecting modifications, or take drivers to court for doing it, yet. | | |
| ▲ | dns_snek 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > What I meant is that whatever I can do with an LLM they can do more. That's true but we have the benefit of unlimited time, having physical control, the analog hole. > As far as I can tell no manufacturer disables the car yet when detecting modifications, or take drivers to court for doing it, yet. As far as I know cars are a special case in much of the world (US, EU, others?). Right to repair laws laws usually give you the right to use non-OEM parts. Aren't DMCA anti-circumvention provisions the bigger concern in the US? I think the EU has an exemption to allow reverse engineering for the purposes of interoperability and repair. | |
| ▲ | drnick1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Tesla showed everyone the way with things like always-on connectivity Nothing prevents you from unplugging the cell modem. The car will still work. |
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| ▲ | damowangcy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >big corporations start using LLMs to learn how to lock things down even further Why would they? They just need to fund lobbyist to make it illegal for any AI to reverse engineer anything copyrighted or with IP. Sure, you can use open source AI to do it but not everyone will/can do it. So, they don't need to ban everyone, they just need to make sure the final code isn't available freely on GitHub. That would minimize the damage, it's not a perfect solution but more than enough to protect the company. | | |
| ▲ | spockz 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Ah the irony. (AI being trained illegaly on copyrighted content.) | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Why would they? They just need to fund lobbyist to make it illegal for any AI to reverse engineer anything copyrighted or with IP Making something impossible to do is more thorough than making it illegal to do |
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| ▲ | SV_BubbleTime 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | New cars already have it. Lockstep processors, hardware security modules with immutable unreadable keys, and PKI keys that the mfg holds the private for that can only be accessed on their online services. It’s locked down now and this started in 2018 or so. It’s just worse now. To automotive, there is really still no right to repair. They get around it by selling “3 day passes” to their service, but with their hardware and at their prices. They’re all moving the Tesla system of more centralized brain systems which will be even more protected. | | |
| ▲ | misterderpie 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sad to hear. I am not a car owner, but lived in the EU for most of my life. The consumer market owes quite some consumer rights to the EU, so I guess all we can do is hope that they'll eventually crack down on these measurements again. | | |
| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The consumer market owes quite some consumer rights to the EU Not for car owners/consumers in the EU. Auto makers and dealers get away with a lot of shady shit fucking over their customers in the EU all the time. For example we in the EU don't have the same trigger happiness of NHTSA mass recalls the Americans have, but matters of such auto issues/defects is left to individual member states or even at individual case by case to decide what action is needed, and responses are a lot weaker and more limp-dick than in the US, almost never leading to mass recalls, even for the same issues[1], mainly because the US is more litigious making car manufacturers to be on the edge and proactive to issues. Like sibling said, there are incentives to regulate stuff that has no impact on EU businesses, shit like USB-C or replaceable batteries, but they won't touch the auto industry to mandate easier repairs and less lock-downs. Brand & Models | Defect | US Action | EU Action
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BMW (2011-2018) | Coolant pump plug | NHTSA recall | Excluded from
N20/N26 engines | short / fire risk | (720k+ cars) | recall
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VW / Audi (08-13) | Timing chain | 10yr/100k mi | No recall; case-
2.0T EA888 | tensioner failure | warranty + $ | by-case goodwill
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Ford Focus/Fiesta | DPS6 PowerShift | 10yr/150k TCM | No recall; few
(2011-2016) | transmission fail | + buybacks | buybacks/payouts
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Hyundai / Kia | Theta II / Nu GDI | 3M+ recalled + | No mass recall
(2011-2019) | bearing/fire risk | lifetime wrty | (diff specs/plants)
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Tesla 3/Y/S/X | Autopilot nag & | 2M+ NHTSA OTA | No EU recall
(2021-2024) | UI font compliance | recalls | (UNECE rules)
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| ▲ | abletonlive 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The consumer market owes quite some consumer rights to the EU Let's be clear that it's just incentives. If the EU economy was based on creating companies and new products there would not be as many incentives for consumer "rights" there. |
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| ▲ | dawnerd 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Which also has the real nifty benefit of a RRS via subscriptions! | |
| ▲ | knowaveragejoe 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm hoping the slate truck will be different, and that whatever problems emerge out of giving consumers real control over the hardware they purchased doesn't hamstring the company somehow. |
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| ▲ | CamperBob2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They are now required to do just that, if they want to sell to the EU market. When you hear the term "cybersecurity," the real subject is the protection of revenue streams from attack by end users. | |
| ▲ | DANmode 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Volkswagen shipped the same encryption key to the keys of something absurd like 100M vehicles. Don’t hold your breath. |
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