I use IceWM *today* in my remote machines via RustDesk (another massive project!).

The only thing I don't understand is why minimal WMs need to (intentionally?) reject basic usability and visual design principles.

- Main menu = nested dropdown - No padding anywhere - Terrible box shadows

etc.

▲ xeshuman a day ago | parent | next [-]

Modern "visual design principles" are curses.

▲ totallymike 20 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not sure which principles you disagree with, but I do enjoy a bit of padding and slightly larger fonts. My eyes are old and experience enough strain as it is.

I could do with bucking the low-contrast trend though, that gets my goat

	▲	darkmighty 16 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Yea, I also try pushing fonts as large as possible without sacrificing too much space. I have the following modified fonts for better reading: (choose your own font oc) `# Name of the menu font. MenuFontNameXft="Luxi Sans:size=13" # Menu icon size. MenuIconSize=23 # [8-128] # Name of the normal button font. NormalButtonFontNameXft="Luxi Sans:size=12" # Name of the normal task bar item font. NormalTaskBarFontNameXft="Luxi Sans:size=12" # Name of the font for Alt+Tab switcher window. QuickSwitchFontNameXft="DejaVu Sans Mono:monospace:size=11:bold"` (on ~/.config/icewm/prefoverride or globally /etc/icewm/prefoverride)
	▲	silon42 18 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yes, most icewm styling is probably for a time of 1024x768 display or even smaller.

▲ hulitu 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can configure those in fvwm.

▲ desdenova a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> No padding anywhere

That's a feature

▲ anders_er a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Margins and borders are superfluous if you set the thumb buttons (the discard your work buttons) to move and resize anywhere.

Try it.

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andai 21 hours ago | parent [-]

I use alt + drag to move and alt + right drag to resize on xfce. I don't know if other WMs have it but that's the main thing I miss on other OSes.

	▲	ramses0 16 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		OSX: defaults write -g NSWindowShouldDragOnGesture -bool true Enables Ctrl+Cmd+Drag on most windows (eg: Settings/Preferences doesn't work right, but most others do). If anyone has any tips/hacks of this for Chromebook, please share!
	▲	fl4regun 20 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		I think you can configure this on hyprland. I use a shortcut super+x + move mouse around to resize windows all the time.
	▲	onli 20 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		IceWM has that shortcut (at least had it on my system, my config is old, but I assume it was originally there).
	▲	O_H_E 18 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yeah, thank God for powertoys on windows.

▲ thesuitonym 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The minimal window managers tend to mimic the design of older window managers, and here's the thing: Those old window managers were developed by actual usability experts who spent months or years studying this stuff. Modern design principles were developed by MBA-brained designers who needed to differentiate their product by making it look the same as all the others.

	▲	O_H_E 18 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Those old window managers were developed by actual usability experts who spent months or years studying this stuff I'd be interested in some examples or references