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▲ pwthornton a day ago

Nadella stripped mined the company for AI jank, and everything has been falling apart. Github has been unreliable a lot lately. Xbox is basically imploding. A lot of Azure, Entra, Intune, etc. is shockingly janky, and there is clearly very little investment in it.

▲llama052 a day ago | parent | next [-]

I’d imagine they are going to get a massive drain of whatever talent is left from their company wide severance as well.

We use Azure at work and it’s wild how much stuff is just manual labor behind the scenes on their platform.

Seems like it’s always on fire somewhere, ripe for burnout and MBOs aren’t aligned with reality from what I hear.

▲atraac 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I read opinions like those but then I worked with Azure at previous jobs a lot and never had any really big issues. On the other side, I just tried using AWS for a small Saas of mine and after setting up SES, I got a shady email, from non-defult support amazon domain that I need to send them scans of my personal documents. Link in that email was blocked by uBlock Origin, domain was not the same as other emails, not a single notification in AWS Support Console anywhere so I ignored it as phishing. Got suspended two weeks later, not a single human in sight within 48 hours of me making a ticket, I just gave up and moved emails to Cloudflare. If I had actual real clients at that phase I'd be pretty pissed. I genuinely don't know how people blindly trust AWS with everything these days, it's 2026 and there's still not even a hard billing limit built into AWS.

▲sov 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I worked with Azure at previous jobs a lot and never had any really big issues

to what extent, though? over the course of my working with azure, ive been disappointed constantly, by just about every service i've used. things that should work a particular way don't, and when you try to investigate you end up in a maze of out-of-date and/or totally wrong documentation. i've started a project before, followed their precise "quick start!" guide to the letter, and find it totally non-functional and wrong.

things that DO work end getting updated (often due to financial incentives) and break, or shuddered entirely. some values that you might want to change for certain services are hard-coded (which, to their credit, you can verify from their public github repos) for ostensibly no reason. a lot of their documentation is internal only, and the public facing stuff feels perennially out-of-season.

(opinion) i feel like fundamentally microsoft has embraced ai development so wholly because they've not been able to describe their services in documentation very well, and thus rely heavily on the ai's ability to digest what scraps of truth remain and the various source code to be effective at delivering output

▲gunsle 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I will never understand people crying about MS and Azure when AWS and GCP support are 10x worse. At least Microsoft usually has decent docs and support.

▲llama052 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Hardly, Microsofts docs will actively lie to you on functionality and features. Even pointing claude at them will run opus around in circles realizing it's not concrete at all.

If the docs are correct I'm sure they'll depreciate the offering and rename it to something else and leave you on an island either way.

▲rsalus a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are huge swaths of azure engineering teams that deploy things entirely manually via azure portal. Insane.

▲roncesvalles 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Even as recently as 2022 (when I used to work there), infra-as-code use at Microsoft was still very nascent and non-standard. Infra at Microsoft was mostly "ClickOps", with a ton of tribal undocumented knowledge about the right order to do things, changing the defaults, and things like that.

The amount of times we've had to reach out to an experienced person who had transferred to another team/org about processes in our team was ridiculous.

▲zombot 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I suspect there's also a good amount of LLMs/Agents in the mix. They have been rechristened to Microslop for a reason.

▲atom058 10 hours ago | parent [-]

There is nothing micro about the amount of slop. MacroSlop.

▲beoberha a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Maybe years ago but definitely not today. But nice FUD

▲Phileosopher 20 hours ago | parent [-]

How much of it is deployed with nondeterministic tooling, though?

I remember their customer-side push for semantically merging Office and some other suites into something-or-other like 365 or Copilot, creating enormous confusion. I have difficulty believing MSFT distinguishes between handmade and machine-learning tooling in that type of environment.

▲stogot a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What is MBO?

▲isomorphic a day ago | parent [-]

Management by Objectives?

(Although I like the idea of Management BuyOut, too.)

▲senderista a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> We use Azure at work and it’s wild how much stuff is just manual labor behind the scenes on their platform.

AWS is no different. Everything is on fire all the time, but customers usually don't notice.

▲yolovoe 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Can you clarify what you mean? Do you work there, or have you had negative experiences as a customer?

Disclosure: I work at AWS, at the core EC2 dataplane for many years now. We monitor our production environment very aggressively with tight SLAs that page us at night, and our technical leadership is competent as well.

▲mrdootdoot a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That means AWS is doing it right, though

▲encrypted_bird a day ago | parent [-]

Or just not as badly.

▲cowlevel 17 hours ago | parent [-]

at something AWS scale something is always on fire, they probably measure disk head crashes per second, and they're supposed to insulate it from their clients with layers of redundancy. If those layers are working, they're doing it okay.

Above those layers is a ton of jank, e.g. Elastic Beanstalk. But my understanding is the fundamentals on AWS - compute, storage, networking - are pretty much rock-solid.

▲encrypted_bird 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Fair.

▲globular-toast 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The petrol in a four stroke internal combustion engine is on fire all the time too. The important part is nobody notices.

▲roncesvalles 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think a lot of it is due to the deterioration of code quality due to widespread AI use rather than AI as a feature in the products.

Vibe coding has enabled unconscientious developers to pollute otherwise good codebases with a lot of sloppy code.

▲ajdude 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I essentially said this in a sibling post whose parent asked why it seems like nobody knows the codebase anymore except my post was immediately flagged.

I think this is the logical conclusion of using copilot to write your stuff for the last two years. Nobody knows what it does and more and more bugs are being solved by just pointing the AI back to it again. Combine with the fact that so many people have been laid off and replaced with copilot I'm not surprised that the few who remain aren't quite sure how to solve it

▲dclowd9901 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet, for some reason, we have to _prove_ this is the case, as though in the history of time, engineering something has ever proven ok as a careless endeavor.

▲juujian a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hadn't heard about Xbox, what's happening?

▲tame3902 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The sales have fallen off compared to the Playstation.

A quick google search turned up these global sales numbers: PS3 87.40 million, PS4 117.20 million, PS5 96.44 million. Xbox 360 85.73 million, Xbox One 57.96 million, Xbox Series X/S 35.68 million.

▲Cthulhu_ 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Their console is no longer their primary objective though, xbox live is where it's at - tons of people did the math, why buy a console when you can get a subscription with tons of games for 3+ years for the same money instead? It's a really attractive offering for people who don't play games all that much (that is, more than 2 hours a day).

I think Sony is shooting themselves in the foot with the digital only consoles too - unless they maintain a very attractive set of exclusives at all times, people will just choose whichever digital subscription is best or cheapest for them instead of something tied to a particular console.

▲hbn 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Xbox Live is the old subscription service, it has since morphed into Xbox Game Pass which is the monthly subscription to access a bunch of games (as well as online features Xbox Live offered before)

Xbox Game Pass was an attractive offer for consumers when MS was getting people onboard and the price was so heavily subsidized that it could never have been a sustainable model. Once they tried to start bumping the price into something profitable people immediately said "okay well that's clearly not worth it, I'll just cancel."

They attempted to make it $30/month last year before backtracking. At $360/year, even factoring in the new $70 price of AAA new releases and ignoring you can wait a few months to buy them cheaper, you had to be buying 5 new release games per year at launch just to get close to breaking even with the subscription price. 6 before you save money. So...

> It's a really attractive offering for people who don't play games all that much (that is, more than 2 hours a day)

No, it's absolutely not worth it for these people. Even at the current prices they backtracked to ($280/year if you want to play new releases on day 1), if you're a person who doesn't game that much, it's cheaper to just buy a few new games per year. If you're not a frequent gamer, why would you of all people need access to a massive library of games?

I personally have a backlog of 45 games I want to play written down in a note. And those are just the ones I wrote down. Most of these games you can get for peanuts. I just played through Fallout New Vegas for my first time. It regularly goes on sale for $0.99, or $5 if you want all the DLC. I got 90 hours of playtime out of that.

The idea any casual gamers should be paying for a subscription service to a Netflix-style game library is nuts to me. These aren't movies and tv shows you'll be flying through every evening, they're big games that can take weeks to play even if you're putting in a few hours per day.

▲zenithirl 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think they've broken the trust with exclusives and don't think they can get it back quickly, almost all of the best PS4 exclusives that I can think of ended up on PC anyway. Exclusives won't be a factor for me when weighing up a PS6

▲pwthornton 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Xbox Live subs are something like half of what they projected. This is why they are closing so many studios and laying people off. Xbox Live is not bringing in the money.

They need to sell consoles to get people to become subscribers.

▲teamonkey 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They seemed to have backtracked on the no-console approach. In fact, their entire Xbox strategy seems to have flipped 180 in the last year.

Nothing to do with today’s outage though.

▲whizzter 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm usually late in getting new console generations (didn't care for paying for new generation premium), so I remember looking to buy an Series S/X a year ago and it wasn't anywhere, there was wild speculation about a new generation or those handheld things taking over.

It seems to be back in stock now, but at a cost of about 1000 Euros for a Series/S I'm not really feeling enticed even if GTA 6 is around the corner. They probably really shot themselves in the foot by not having units out a year ago and now fewer will buy due to pricing.

▲ngcazz 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, speaking for myself, paying the new console premium for my PS5 turned out to be a decent deal given used ones go for about the same at the moment...

▲hbn 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Hadn't heard about Xbox

Indeed you’re seeing the consequences of their past decade+ of management

▲OnlineTux a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Massive layoffs and studio closures and mergers like Obsidian merged with Bethesda.

New Xbox to cost $1200-$1800.

Gamepass limited to 15 hours a month for Ultimate.

▲djray a day ago | parent [-]

No, the Game Pass limitation is for _streaming_ the games. You can play and download as much as you want.

New Xbox cost is not confirmed.

▲hereonout2 a day ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not a big gamer but unlimited cloud gaming seemed too good to be true to me. It was a self defeating product offering for Microsoft.

It works perfectly on a fast home connection over ethernet, mind blowing how responsive it is and load times are non existent.

But as far as I can tell most people subscribe to game pass anyway? Why buy the hardware at all when I can just cloud game in the same subscription. .

▲teamonkey 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I suspect if the threat of AI cloning pans out as some say, we may see a sharp return to streaming - perhaps devs releasing on streaming platforms only - as an ultimate form of anti-piracy

▲whizzter 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Series/S costs 1000 Euros and Series/X costs about 1700 right now so it'll likely be even higher unless ram prices finally crash.

▲djray 13 hours ago | parent [-]

At least here in the UK, that's off by a lot.

Here, Series S is £400-£430 for 512GB or £500-£520 for 1TB.

Xbox Series X is £600-£620 for digital 1TB or £50 more for the disc version. That's much more than I paid for mine a year after launch (£450 I think), but luckily still nowhere near 1700 Euros.

▲MistyMountain a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Might not be confirmed but it was part of an article that MS approved of. They appear to be testing the waters.

▲EmX_3000 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It'll probably be an app instead of its own thing in the future. For Pluton-enabled systems only of course.

▲petesergeant 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> A lot of Azure ... is shockingly janky

This absolutely predates AI.

▲singingfish 20 hours ago | parent [-]

insufficiently supervised AI on top of poorly architected sales and marketing driven decisions looks like it's a good recipe for a nice warm garbage fire

▲hn_submit a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I believe it has more to do with him force-feeding Microsoft employees on A.I. resulting in slop code and outages.

If this continues the company will see a lot of customers leaving. And they were already in a bind since Europe is finally realizing that its dependence on American tech could be used against them. Luckily most European politicians are corrupt and can easily be bought to prevent them from ditching Azure and Windows.

▲disgruntledphd2 18 hours ago | parent [-]

> Luckily most European politicians are corrupt and can easily be bought to prevent them from ditching Azure and Windows.

They're not corrupt (in a lot of cases), mostly just ignorant. Like, they don't understand the tech, and microsoft is safe, they're already using it so handing over large swathes of their infra to them seems reasonable.

MS have wonderful sales people, and this is why they do well with governments and large enterprises.

There's also a co-ordination problem, in that all of your counterparties (like your citizens, for instance) are familiar with MS and therefore it costs a bunch locally to move, for little short-term reward.

This is actually a place where (good) regulation could derisk a lot of these changes, but you'd need a committed group of politicians who can convince the civil servants to keep at it. It'll happen, but slowly and in starts over the next 5-15 years.

▲hn_submit 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Where does corruption start and lobbying begin? American cloud providers are hosting more than $340 billion worth of European workloads on their infrastructure, including email, videoconferencing, office documents and storage.

If they transfer this to sovereign providers it would cost Big Tech serious money. So they're quietly lobbying to slow down the speed at which European nations are moving away from them.

▲disgruntledphd2 11 hours ago | parent [-]

> If they transfer this to sovereign providers it would cost Big Tech serious money. So they're quietly lobbying to slow down the speed at which European nations are moving away from them.

Yeah, this is definitely really important to them (not important enough for them to comply with the laws, but whatevs).

▲edstarch 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I literally had a person from IT tell me “Firefox is open source so it’s not secure, that’s why we have to use Edge” the other day. They are beyond hopeless.

▲cowlevel 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And Microsoft is being smart by cultivating this worldview. Open source has no such thing. In general, the company with the best marketing can be expected to win the market. Product quality plays only a minor role.

Microsoft also sells contracts to companies and open source does not. If "open source" does, it's someone like Red Hat who has to take on all the legal responsibility themselves, just like Microsoft does, and that makes the product as expensive as Microsoft's, only it's not subsidized by mass surveillance so it's even more expensive.

▲dijksterhuis 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

i had a very similar experience with a co-founder and ceo.

it took half an hour to even somewhat convince them that academic/postgrad student open source projects with one commit four years ago are not the same thing as linux/ubuntu/docker/etc.

sibling makes a good point tho. what they were probably thinking was “we want to be able to blame someone who is not us if it goes wrong at some point”. that’s 90% of the microslop business pitch right there.

open source, it’s on you. microslop, it’s on them.

▲victor106 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Entra And Azure are terrible.

Ui is clunky, they are terribly slow.

The only reason companies use Entra is it appears cheaper but eventually you pay as much as competitors. Okta is a way better IAM solution if you need one. Although it’s very pricey.

▲singingfish a day ago | parent | next [-]

I am aware that the authentication subsystems have major structural problems which make finding things like exfiltration bugs in azure surprisingly common. I suspect the current incident is related. I'm hoping it's also caused by too much insufficiently supervised AI coding on poor architectural foundations, and that being caused by that will be obvious and hopefully become public. But that's just speculation on my part.

▲Mudbugs 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

After the last couple of updates on entra, where you keep getting the "loading dots" to just pull up is insane. I still use Azure or PowerShell to do the task by the time it can "load up".

▲mattoxic 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My take is the reason companies use Azure is lack of imagination. Like Service Now. Just horrible software, and thems that make the decision to buy it aren't the one's who have to use it.

▲syshyk 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Vendor lock in is always a thing really, you don't always get choice in SaaS providers and how they auth. Could of course choose another SaaS provider but then that starts reducing the pool, assuming you have alternatives.

▲disgruntledphd2 18 hours ago | parent [-]

> Vendor lock in is always a thing really

Yeah, and additionally if all your counterparties are on it, you can externalise your internal tools onto them relatively easily.

This mostly doesn't work, but it's a beautiful dream for executives.

▲FrostKiwi 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, Frontdoor really hit me. Especially the continued status page lies.

▲12_throw_away a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know exactly what's going on with today's outage.

But this is certainly exactly what I'd expect after indiscriminately laying off half your workers, then immediately offering a buyout to make sure any experienced people still standing will find their way to the door.

If this incident, or the difficulty they're having with remediation (update: holy shit, they still haven't even identified the problem), are somehow not caused by any of that, then it's at least a preview of what things are going to be like.

▲soci 19 hours ago | parent [-]

Microsoft has not layed off half of its workers: 2021-2026: +23% employees 2024-2026: -2% employees

What changed is the productivity per employee: 2021-2026: +60% 2024-2026: +38%

To be honest, I also assumed your take on this at first. But after a bit of research I found quite a different reality!

▲quii 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm sure "productivity per employee" is definitely not a daft vanity metric

▲awesomegoat_com 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In all fairness, Microsoft really did layed off low double digit % of workforce since 2022.

The total populace did not change, because it was replaced by new "talent".

▲soci 10 hours ago | parent [-]

You are right, thank you. I suspect they would have layed off people in certain areas to milk the cow, while invested in hiring talent in areas of growth. Still no evident correlation between layoffs and the current blackout incident mostly affecting the Cloud business.

▲kstrauser a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OTOH, I couldn’t manage Entra without their AI chatbot. That system is a Lovecraftian stack of sadness built upon despair, of which mortals are not meant to know.

▲k0morebi a day ago | parent | next [-]

I have the pro Microsoft copilot subscription at work just so I can search Outlook and teams since the native search doesn't turn up things when I search exact strings that are in the messages or use filters for other things like sender or recipient. Crazy to have to use an llm just to find an email

▲thirtygeo 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm so deeply perplexed by how bad Outlook search is

▲EvanAnderson 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The "Advanced Find" in pre-2016 versions of Outlook was superb. Then it was "de-emphasized" for the crap search that followed.

▲NetMageSCW 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Especially when they bought a superb product just for searching Outlook (LookOut), incorporated it into Windows Search and somehow destroyed it in the process.

▲ezst 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Did you make the mistake of enabling the "new" (web-based) outlook? At least AFAICT, the "classic" one hasn't regressed much/at all

▲k0morebi 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I used legacy relatively happily when I had a windows laptop, but recently switched to a MacBook and it either forced migration or was already the new version (don't remember). The macos outlook is a bit borked too. Beyond the typical level for outlook. Can't create or edit rules anymore that save to server. Need to go into the web version via browser.

▲nullwarp a day ago | parent | prev [-]

This really is the honest truth, every interaction I have with the MS platform is somehow worse than an actual dumpster fire. AI is the only thing keeping the ship afloat. Then again maybe that's the point?

▲Gaussian a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Janky is part of the Fabric at Microsoft. I don’t feel like that’s new…

▲disgruntledphd2 18 hours ago | parent [-]

> Fabric

I see what you did there.

Fabric is a weird one, as it's sortof a GUI over spark, but also PowerBI and lots of weird services.

It feels like a "data plaform" for people who've never used one before and only have the vaguest idea of what it means.

That being said, Spark is pretty good and we're running a lot of workflows on it (and probably building more on top, I suspect that I'll be much angrier about it in approximately 6 months or so).

▲Selector8801 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Support in Europe has been nearly dismantled in favor of low cost countries. I wonder how they expect it to function now they it's basically third parties withan AI slapped on top.

▲Towaway69 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just shows that incompetence and stupidity still count in the age of AI.

▲disqard 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Be that as it may, he will be remembered for his gleeful "I want people to know that we made them dance" (at the cost of falling over, themselves).

▲thewhitetulip a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am surprised no executive used Copilot to type "Bring Microsoft 365 up. Make no mistakes".. should've been a quick task with SuperIntelligence!

▲Rantenki 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm sure they would love to try, but Copilot is also offline according to the status page.

▲thewhitetulip 19 hours ago | parent [-]

Damn it! If only their Copilot was working! Outage resolved under 300 milli seconds!

Maybe they can use azure hosted openai models? Or are they down as well?

Just was a perfect opportunity to showcase astra and fable and other models

▲yks 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You don't understand, the agents aren't fixing the outage because those human engineers didn't make the infrastructure AI first. The only possible follow-up from this is that the faulty infra needs to be completely thrown away in favor of the vibecoded replacement.

▲freetanga 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fuck, thanks god I am retiring soon.

▲thewhitetulip 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You had me in the first half.

I agree. All the execs need to do is tell Copilot to "fix this so that it never happens again. Make no mistakes" and run it on bypass permissions. Tada!

▲rapsey 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In this case AI stands for Actual Indians.

▲AIorNot a day ago | parent | prev [-]

So a few years ago Nadella was a God among CEOs capturing OpenAI at the right time etc..but yeah laying off thousands of tenured folks surely is great strategy, god I hate the tech industry.

Btw does everyone see how insanely crappy Windows 11 is compared to MacOS

▲pwthornton 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't understand how basically everything has languished under Nadella. Apple doesn't sell MacOS, so it should be less incentivized to keep improving it, but it is way better than Windows and the gap keeps widening. If I didn't use MacOS, I would just use Linux.

Windows does always cater to backwards companility and making IT departments happy, so that explains some of the lagging technology and systems. I can't believe NTFS is still the default file systems. That's generations behind Apple's APFS.

The stock has popped, and that's what Wall Street cares about, but I could see a world where this chronic underinvestment and mismanagement basically implodes the entire company in the coming years.

▲fractal618 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I made the switch to Linux Mint and it’s wonderful and almost triples my battery life. I’m also in the process of switching to a phone with graphene os which runs like butter and feels so much more secure, safe and private.

▲elboru a day ago | parent | next [-]

It's been three months since I switched to Arch. I've had a couple of hiccups that I couldn't resolve with an agent, or that I simply didn't want to spend too much time troubleshooting. Other than that, performance has been absolutely amazing. My terminal and browser open in milliseconds, not seconds. Even the heavy system I work on builds and loads in seconds instead of minutes. If I don't like a particular configuration, I can simply ask my agent to change it. Linux is GREAT in the agent era.

▲tapland a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Battery gains on laptops are insane. Swapped a month ago on one, still need windows stuff on the other, but same model and one last all day and one has to be plugged in each session.

▲cowlevel 17 hours ago | parent [-]

and that's crazy because traditionally Linux would drain your battery faster because it was lacking all the power optimisations. It still is, but windows must've gotten so bloated it's worse now.

▲thirtygeo 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Loving Mint as well! Just switched a second PC over from win 11

▲pndy 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I tried few distros including Mint but in the end CachyOS was one that works for me best. But I still got this W11 virtual machine where I can see how the system "evolves", and it still baffles me that Microsoft has the audacity to throw message saying "Windows Update is committed to helping reduce carbon emissions" and having "Energy recommendations" that "Lower your carbon footprint" where background processes continue to drain machine resources at random intervals since W10

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▲gambiting 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>>Btw does everyone see how insanely crappy Windows 11 is compared to MacOS

This is just an anecdote, but I have the exact opposite experience. I'm a C++ games developer working on Windows 11 every day and other than the micro frustrations with stupid UI, the system just works. I know I can rely on it day to day. But I was also given a MacBook last year for our iOS ports and I don't understand how anyone considers it a serious operating system for work - it's full of bugs to a point where I started using AI to work around some of them. I thought maybe MacOS 27 would fix some of them and sure it did - but then it introduced a whole bunch of new ones. As a developer it's probably the worst OS you could pick - if you hate windows for whatever reason go straight to Linux, at least you have actual control over your OS compared to MacOS where basic things like spotlight are broken and there's no way to fix them other than add to the thousands of complaints on apple forums.

▲pwthornton 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I develop enterprise SaaS apps, and MacOS just works for me, so I guess your mileage may vary.

▲worik 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Rot has set in at Apple, too

▲disgruntledphd2 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> hate windows for whatever reason go straight to Linux,

Honestly, for personal machines the M series is wonderful hardware, and I have young kids so no time to tune Linux (I ran it at home for around a decade or so).

But yeah, the interface has many, many bugs.

My "favourite" (new) bug is that sometimes you can't move a window from the laptop screen to another screen. It goes away if you full screen the app, but it's bizarre to me that it made it to production.

▲jwilcoxson a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yup.

▲eddythompson80 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nadella's AI fumble is a true generational fuck up. They had OpenAI, they had complete access to GPT models before any one, they even had the first coding assistant concept.

Then due to typical clueless management and lack of taste and complete buffoonery, they just fucked it all up. I'm not complaining because I think everyone is better off, but it's just amazing to have witnessed that even when they luck out on a bet, they manage to fuck it up. Copilot started as a coding assistant, and before it could breath they destroyed the brand by shoving the name into literally everything without thinking or taste. Ignored the coding part, because that's lame, and instead focused on half assed Windows or Office apps and integrations that no one will ever use. Once claude code dominated the scene, they realized the major fuckup and tried to catch up, but it's too little too late.

Again, not complaining really.

▲codethief 17 hours ago | parent [-]

> instead focused on half assed Windows or Office apps and integrations that no one will ever use.

I actually know quite a few (non-tech) people that love to use Copilot in those apps. So I'm not sure it's as big of a fuck-up as you think it is (or as I certainly used to think it is).

▲eddythompson80 17 hours ago | parent [-]

There are people who bought Cybertrucks too you know.

▲cowlevel 17 hours ago | parent [-]

The Cybertruck was a success if it made a profit overall. So was Copilot. The point is to make money, not to make good products.

▲j16sdiz 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This mindset is what makes this society so depressing

▲cowlevel 15 hours ago | parent [-]

We need to rewire ourselves to think about things that are profitable and useful. People prefer something that's expensive and useful over something that's just expensive. For some reason though it's only the people who are making useless things who are making anything at all. Nobody else tapped into the Cybertruck market segment at all.

▲eddythompson80 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not really sure I'm understand what you're trying to say tbh. Though tangentially what even is the Cybertruck market segment to begin with?

On profitable products though; sure as a general concept, but the rate of return, opportunity cost and market competition factor into the profitability equation too. You could go waste your time building a desktop app for a chatgpt clone and make some "profit" in the same time your competitor threw similar resources at making a claude code and that makes 100x your profit. That would mean you actually lost despite the profit. The opportunity cost isn't only in building the wrong thing, but also in the human resources you allocated to the task that deprived other areas. I see no world where the 6 dozen copilots we got from Microsoft have any good ROI beyond diluting a brand and making them more of a laughing stock.

▲danaris 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hell no.

We need to rewire ourselves to think about things that are beneficial to society as a whole. Not "profitable." Profit just means more money going from the many to the few. That's what's gotten us into this awful situation.

▲cowlevel 8 hours ago | parent [-]

What good is thinking about the most beneficial things to society if you and your faction will never have the power to implement them or even to persuade those who do have that power?

▲danaris 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, one of the things that I'm very, very certain is beneficial to society as a whole is getting the fascists and those who think that profit should be the first, last, and only concern out of power now and forever.

So fortunately, there's not really an incompatibility there.

▲pwthornton 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If the Cybertruck were making good money it wouldn't be getting canceled a few years into its run on the market. No car company does that to successful products.

▲fodkodrasz 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Crappy as in doesn't need third party full access to all accessibility untrusted toold for stuff like mouse scrolling the currect direction, volume control on external hdmi monitors, being able to navigate the UI using a keyboard, having the computer staying running when connected to a power source, etc?

One has to spend more on third party tools for getting MacOS to feature parity with a windows than a Win Pro license...

Linux is fine on the other hand, but you compared to a joke of an operating system.

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▲OhMeadhbh a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh man. Do not look at the Darwin source code with remaining eye.

▲Selector8801 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

MacOS honestly feels like a toy OS for kids.

▲pwthornton 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People use it every day to create and build stuff. That's always been MacOS's legacy.

▲edstarch 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The nice part is that it’s just Unix with a decently stable (for a time lol) and professionally designed UI layer.