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▲ DrScientist 2 days ago

Thanks for the link.

Watched the interview and as far as I see he was getting 'heated' because he was speaking the obvious truth and being frustrated by poorly informed questions.

This is entirely expected from somebody like him who has a long history of being on the right side of technical argument.

He is a huge loss to Nvidia and the US - replaced by a ex-CFO.

▲philistine 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

The US had put an export ban, and he clearly skirted it while at the same time banging a suspected Chinese spy. The company he ran like a fiefdom broke the rules set in place by the same country for which he's supposedly a loss.

I don't see it. Nvidia has a lot to answer for, and the fact that Jensen was very successful as a CEO does not shy away from the cracks in the structure.

▲pj_mukh 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Are we saying he was skirting the ban because he was having an affair with a Chinese spy? That seems like a stretch. Jensen was ideologically opposed to a ban, he didn't need any coaxing in that regard.

It was illegal, and I'm sure if this comes to light there will be (major) repercussions, but I don't see it as an immoral move.

Cheating on your wife of 40 years OTOH...

▲Ydarbleoj a day ago | parent | next [-]

He was playing both sides and got caught. Nothing more.

▲jappgar a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"It's not immoral to violate trade sanctions if you don't think they should exist".

▲kelnos a day ago | parent | next [-]

Sure, why not? Morality and law are not always aligned. I'm not sure I would go so far to consider these sorts of trade sanctions "immoral", but I wouldn't fault someone for believing so.

In this case, though, I think Huang just believed these sanctions were the wrong move, and would end up long-term helping China and hurting the US. Which is fair to believe, but believing a law is counterproductive doesn't give you immunity if you break it.

▲adolph a day ago | parent | next [-]

> Morality and law are not always aligned

This is a significant philosophical point.

  The thing about that Lord Moulton said is that there are a bunch of things that are wrong that are not illegal, and we have to do that because people have to be capable of self-control. Patrick Deneen, in . . . The Failure of Liberalism said that he thinks liberalism is failing because it has come to the view that anything that is not illegal is moral. 
https://www.econtalk.org/public-choice-and-politics-without-....
▲jappgar a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Is it immoral for Jensen to cheat on his wife?

What if he "believed fidelity was the wrong move" and that he'd end up divorced eventually anyways?

When is disloyalty and dishonesty immoral?

▲kergonath a day ago | parent [-]

It’s something you are not equipped to judge. You don’t know much about his private life and the private life of the people around him. Having sex in itself is not the problem, and so far what was demonstrated was that he had sex, at least one with an alleged spy evading trade sanctions, and once with a subordinate. Either are improper and ground for firing; both together are untenable (plus the possibility that there are other skeletons; we don’t know for now).

The relationship with his wife is neither here nor there, unless she wants to make it public. If she feels betrayed, wants a quick buck, or otherwise wants to for any reason, she will sue for divorce and, considering the publicity of the cases, she should get a favourable judgement.

It’s easy to impose our morals on others. But more than half of republicans believe that gay sex is immoral just as strongly as you believe that adultery is.

▲jappgar a day ago | parent [-]

Sure, I don't disagree.

I'm trying to point out the inconsistecy with the OP who implied sanctions evasion is not implicitly immoral but that "cheating" is.

Huang may have had an agreement with his wife that this was fine.

But he did not have an agreement with the justice department to flaunt the law and funnel GPUs to China.

▲pj_mukh a day ago | parent [-]

>>But he did not have an agreement with the justice department

Neither did conscientious objectors? I don't think you mean to claim that the justice department is the final word on morality? Just that on this topic, you agree with the justice department (which is fine), but they will do things that you disagree with. They are no final arbiter and have helped enforce plenty of immoral laws in the past.

There is even a case to be made that flooding the Chinese market with advanced GPU's will hamstring China's ability to build their own, just like they have done to our ability to manufacture. In fact that is exactly the case Jensen has made plenty of times. By holding back exports you are actually creating the market conditions in China for building advanced GPU's indigenously, CCP doesn't even have to do much, the market is responding. Who's immoral and unpatriotic then?

▲jappgar 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Comparing conscientious objectors, who refuse to participate in war, to someone who profits massively from supplying adversaries with advanced weaponry, is ridiculous.

▲pj_mukh 10 hours ago | parent [-]

You mostly ignored what I wrote so this is not really fruitful.

But for more everyone else reading, not helping the enemy build better defenses is basically Sun Tzu 101. China keeps us addicted to their manufacturers, the least we could've done is kept them addicted to our GPU's (to be easily turned off during a time of war). But Mr.Moral Police can't look past one chess move, so we're screwed now.

To be clear, I'm not saying mine is the only moral move (like others), I'm saying being confident about the morality here is senseless.

▲d1sxeyes a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Absolutely. Immoral and illegal/unlawful are separate things alogether.

▲ifyoubuildit a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you make the case for trade sanctions being a moral issue?

▲SR2Z a day ago | parent | next [-]

Isn't the specific trade law being broken related to arms control and dual-use technology?

IMO it's not a terribly strong case to make while Boeing sells whole jetliners to China, but the law was put in place for both moral and practical reasons.

▲toast0 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It would depend on the reason for the sanctions...

If the sanctions are to prevent buying the products of slavery, that's a moral issue, and violating the sactions is also a moral issue.

Same deal if the sanctions are to prevent selling things that will be used to carry out genocide/etc. That's a moral issue, so violating the sanctions is a moral issue.

I don't think there's an alegation that the GPUs will be used for immoral purposes, just that the US government has national security concerns. Those concerns may or may not be valid, and may or may not be served by having trade sanctions applied effectively, but I don't think that's a question of morality.

It's not de facto immoral to violate the law. It could be immoral to violate the law and conceal it.

▲ifyoubuildit a day ago | parent [-]

> It would depend on the reason for the sanctions...

But then it would be the thing that is sanctioned that is the immoral activity, not the breaking of a sanction, right?

It's like you said, unlawful != immoral.

▲toast0 a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think you can make a case that breaking a rule intended to prevent immoral activity is in and of itself immoral, even if breaking the rule didn't result in the immoral activity.

It's arguable either way, morality isn't a formal logic. There's no right answer, and it's mostly judged by popular consensus... If there is a final authority, they don't publish their notes. :p

▲jappgar a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It would be immoral to sell weapons to your nation's enemies but not to your allies.

Unless you're saying that disloyalty and betrayal are not issues of morality.

It's very interesting to read here that Jensen is immoral for betraying his wife but not for betraying his country.

▲scott_w a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

However the fact he was having an affair muddies the waters on the two. At best, the optics look bad to someone outside. Yes, he could have been opposed for money reasons, and that’s a position that needs no more explanation.

But how do we know he wasn’t being whispered to by the smoking baddie he was trying to impress? Maybe he’d not have taken the risk were he not having this affair but we know what men do when their ego is on the line. Case in point: Musk paying people to play PoE for him and losing his shit when he was caught.

Do I think money is a good enough explanation? Yes. Could I believe that what’s in his pants also played a part? Also yes.

▲SoftTalker a day ago | parent [-]

People at this level get intoxicated with their power. They think they are invincible and can do whatever they want. Often they can. Sometimes it all comes crashing down, here for example, or the case of Eric Swalwell. But they never think it will happen to them.

▲consensus1 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

No, he probably wasn't doing it because of the Chinese spy. But when you are sleeping with a Chinese spy people are going to have questions.

▲jeanlou a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure but that's not the point here: he was getting frustrated in the interview because he was getting second guessed by someone who doesn't have as much insight has he does. Dude is the founder of Nvidia by the way.

▲outside1234 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The board should be fired next for allowing a CEO to have 60 direct reports and no succession plan.

▲UncleOxidant a day ago | parent | next [-]

You're getting downvoted for this, but it has some merit. It could be argued that NVDA's flat structure is what led to the company's success - Jensen himself greenlit the development of CUDA from the anecdotes I've heard. However, in the last 2 or 3 years the board should have pushed for more redundancy and a succession plan.

Since NVDA had such a flat corporate structure with Huang having ~60 direct reports, I expect that the company will be lost for a period of time as they try to get their bearings. This is an opportunity for AMD, INTC and others.

▲outside1234 a day ago | parent [-]

At the very least a succession plan. Just insane that there wasn't someone ready for this in case he keeled over one day (for some definition of keeled).

This is a $5T (well, I guess $4T now) company we are talking about. What is the board being paid for?

▲riddlemethat a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It turned them into one of the most valuable companies in history. The board can figure out succession now.

▲buellerbueller a day ago | parent | next [-]

Is that the reason? Or is it that they happened to make a product that became very in demand?

▲krisoft a day ago | parent | next [-]

You say that as if a lottery assigns companies what product they shall make. Or that they found their product designs in a kinder egg.

They had an idea which they thought will be valuable. And they worked bery hard on making that idea a reality.

People complain that companies don’t have leadership with long term vision. The leadership of NVIDIA heard the idea of GGPU computation and put the resources behind the idea to make it a practical reality. Here the gap between “nerdy idea” to “product sells like hot-cakes”, is measured in decades. That is not just luck.

▲wnmurphy a day ago | parent | next [-]

Finding yourself making matrix multiplication machines for computer graphics, then suddenly an unrelated technological revolution requires that exact hardware?

They absolutely got incredibly lucky.

▲buellerbueller 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is survivorship bias. Show me a Jobs-like track record and then we can talk business genius. This guy had 1 at bat and (to mix sports metaphors) we don't know if he skated to where the puck was heading, or if the market happened to converge on this thing because it was available.

Also, your comment has a hefty dose of survivorship bias. Lots of companies have long term visions they think will be valuable, and work very hard towards making them a reality. Few succeed. You're counting the survivors, not the attempts.

Furthermore, you fail to demonstrate that a different CEO of NVIDIA would have done something different.

▲SR2Z a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This take is crazy; NVIDIA not only built the GPU, *they created the demand.* For a very long time there was nothing like CUDA. They're working on an open-source self-driving car. Back when they were a gaming company, they sponsored the gaming ecosystem.

Jensen Huang cheated on his wife AND conspired to evade arms control regulations, but he's still a genius.

▲buellerbueller 13 hours ago | parent [-]

What are you're doing in your comment is a fallacy known in economics called survivorship bias.

The NVIDIAs of the world are vastly outnumbered by corporations who made a long term bet that failed, but because you're counting the successes, not the attempts, you see vastly inflated outcomes. Count the attempts to make these long shots, and Huang appears very lucky indeed. Crystal ball? Hardly! He couldn't forsee the outcome of 3 (is it still 3, or has the body count grown) affairs.

To prove Huang is a genius, you'd have to demonstrate that a different CEO of NVIDIA would have done something different.

▲SR2Z 10 hours ago | parent [-]

NVIDIA is 33 years old! How much more successful does the largest corporation in the world have to be for you to admit some skill was required? Another two decades?

> Crystal ball? Hardly! He couldn't forsee the outcome of 3 (is it still 3, or has the body count grown) affairs.

Fortunately, I'm not claiming that Huang is a genius at getting away with affairs. I'm claiming that if any CEO can be called a genius at running their business, Huang can.

▲buellerbueller 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not saying Huang is skill-less, and by making that claim in your comment, you are moving the goalposts. I am saying it is not obvious that he would have done genius-level better than a different CEO.

Your best claim is that Nvidia is the biggest company in the world; therefore Huang is a genius. Maybe; some days Apple is also in the running for biggest company in the world. By your metric Tim Cook is therefore a genius. This makes me seriously doubt your metric.

▲SR2Z 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Tim Cook did not build Apple from the ground up. Steve Jobs did, and if he were still in charge he would still unquestionably be a genius.

You can doubt my metric, but it is quite difficult to grow a company to a trillion dollars while staying in charge the whole time.

▲drysine a day ago | parent | prev [-]

"happened"?

▲outside1234 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Both of these things can be true. He can be the best founder in the world that we want to be there forever AND we need to have someone just in case that is 100% up to speed.

This is a $4T company for Pete's sake!

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▲burnerthrow008 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ok, but the goalposts are shifting. This started as "look how flustered he got when asked about China. That means he did it".

▲buttslut5099 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Um it's absolutely possible to break the rules set in place by a country and help it in doing so. No clue whether that's the case here

▲strofocles 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am curious which questions you found poorly informed? Jensen Huang started with "China could have trained a Mythos level model" because the resources needed for that were "mundane". Maybe you believe him on that or you know that to be true but maybe mundane is not the right word. Also the rest of his answer did not age well. I think Dwarkesh genuinely wanted to have a deep conversation and not to be a troll.

▲DrScientist a day ago | parent | next [-]

The uninformed part was a rather dismissive attitude to Chinese capabilities and the assumption that access to NVidia chips was the only important success factor.

Jensen has two core points:

- stopping selling NVidia chips to China isn't going to stop China developing AI

- stopping NVidia selling to China will ultimately ceed US leadership in chips as Nvidia's commercial edge is as much about the dominant developer ecosystem as it is the chips per se.

ie the real risk is the default world tech stack shifts to open models on Chinese chips. End result Chinese lead in both.

He has spent his entire career competing and winning and he is being told he has to stop competing in order to achieve a goal that he knows won't actually be achieved by sacrificing NVidia.

In that scenario, where somebody is suggesting you throw away your life's work for nothing - I think anybody would be animated.

▲kgeist a day ago | parent | next [-]

>the real risk is the default world tech stack shifts to open models on Chinese chips.

As someone who isn't based in the US/EU and whose job is to deploy LLMs on premises, I can't wait for the moment when China starts selling its GPUs globally en masse with a proper CUDA equivalent. It's going to be cheaper in the long term and without all the export control drama.

▲GeorgeWBasic 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Which is a good thing. I think it's insane to see so many comments along the lines of, we have to keep China from becoming the world leader in GPUs and AI tech instead of the US. Really? Why? Look at the evil the US has used its AI for. It's time for a more ethical nation to take the lead, and better for the world.

▲super256 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Exactly!

Having compute is no moat. You can always just build more.

▲lern_too_spel a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It's refreshing to see a podcaster push their guest to defend their positions, after having had the displeasure of listening to clips of Lex Fridman just accepting even obvious bullshit from his guests without any follow up. It sounds like Dwarkesh did the same with Dario, who argued the other side.

▲ryan_n a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The questions weren't poorly informed just because you agree with what Jensen was saying. He seems pretty obviously to have made drastically poor judgement decisions that potentially affect national security of the US. I don't know if I would consider that to be a huge loss to the US.

▲DrScientist a day ago | parent | next [-]

The poorly informed part is the assumption that if Nvidia doesn't sell chips China AI dev will stop.

It clearly didn't - don't you remember the Deepseek launch where it came as a rude shock that the much vaunted concept of a compute capacity moat was blown away?

He kept repeating that while he made the best chips, computer science was more important.

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▲super256 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

>affect national security of the US

Like what? Do you think Jensen knows about some state secrets?

To me it looks like the whole thing was merely about circumventing export controls on graphic cards to sell them for $$$?

▲ryan_n 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Yea my understanding is that is also what it was about. I don't know if he knows state secrets or not. The affect on national security is more that if he's selling billions of dollars of GPU's to foreign adversary's he's helping foreign adversary's gain power over the US. The video in question talks about how selling GPU's is like selling enriched uranium, thus the national security concern. Whether that's a good analogy or not, I don't really know. But the people at these AI companies (ANT/OpenAI) do seem to talk a lot about how there's a non-zero chance AI will end the world so..

▲bdelmas 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Replaced by a CFO… this is what they always do. And that sign the slow death of the any company.

▲internet101010 a day ago | parent | next [-]

A CFO as interim CEO is fine. Their job is to keep the house in order and Wall Street at bay while the search for a new CEO is underway.

▲peezd a day ago | parent [-]

Yeah, this is the standard/textbook move. Keep things moving forward and the financials in order during the search.

▲coffeebeqn a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interim. They just need someone to crisis manage. I’m sure they have veteran capable executives other than Jensen. Maybe the AI focus wasn’t all Jensens idea even

▲DrScientist 18 hours ago | parent [-]

> Interim. They just need someone to crisis manage.

For Nvidia's sake let's hope so - but I suspect the problem is that anybody who knows their stuff will have the same opinions that got Jensen fired.

> Maybe the AI focus wasn’t all Jensens idea even

The source of the idea isn't important - Jobs famously 'borrowed' some of the best ideas from outside the company. The key skill is to be able to tell between the good and bad ideas and make the right strategic choices.

▲skullone a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All of the sudden people care about keeping Nvidia around? Theyve been jerking people around for decades, screwing customers, shitty drivers, exploding power connectors, anti competitive practices for miles.

▲markhahn a day ago | parent | next [-]

those are mere gamer issues. perhaps more relevant ten year ago, but these days, the only question is the rack-scale products (and in that market, Nvidia's driver game has been pretty OK, though unfortunately closed-source).

▲skullone a day ago | parent | next [-]

We used their GPUs at scale before there was AI, and nvidia has always been a hostile vendor to deal with. I'm so ecstatic that at least huangs reputation is now in the trash, and I hope nvidia suffers severe consequences for all the decades of crap they've put us through

▲serf a day ago | parent | prev [-]

"let's ignore how shitty the consumer facing company has been for thirty years, they're too big to fail."

Ma Bell without the anti-trust (yet!).

▲smallmancontrov a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Opinions on Nvidia depend heavily on one's shares:gpus ratio.

▲m4rtink a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, its just their karma finally paying dividends.

▲OCASMv2 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet their products are superior to the competition. Yes, it's a sad day.

▲skullone a day ago | parent [-]

Sad? How? Self dealing CEO who cheats on his family after decades of being a shit to their customers as well, seems... deserved

▲alcomatt a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Quite surprised they did not replace him with AI CEO-Class Agent. This would be sweet irony...

▲falsemyrmidon 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He clearly made some very bad decisions or we wouldn't be having this discussion

▲julianeon 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Replaced for like 10 minutes until the new CEO comes in. This isn't the time to announce the permanent next-20-years CEO.

▲dylan604 a day ago | parent [-]

Yeah, you always want someone sacrificial to be the immediate next person in the hot seat. Too much emotional expectations will be attached to whoever is next. Let the next person take all of the crap long enough so that the person you actually want has a clear path. You see this in sports franchises as well.

▲nbardy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's the type of old man heated, when you have a nuanced perspective and take on a complex subject, and someone younger is trying to reduce it to overly simple narratives and metaphors.

It's a good time to be heated and remind the other side they're acting childish.

▲hn_throwaway_99 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> replaced by a ex-CFO.

Let's be clear, she is just the interim CEO (primarily because Huang neglected to ever even start a transition plan) while NVidia searches for a permanent CEO. The names I've seen floated are Rene Haas, CEO of ARM, and Ian Buck, the creator of CUDA.

▲anticensor 18 hours ago | parent [-]

and Su Zifung, CEO of AMD

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▲bitfilped a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure what to make of the idol worshipping going on here. He was an average CEO and the train will continue right along. NVIDIA doesn't exist because of some inherent greatness of a single person.

▲nixon_why69 a day ago | parent | next [-]

He saw the promise in GPGPU 10 years ahead of time and kept funding it out of a stubborness despite a lack of returns until it 1000xd the business.

You can say it was luck but it was definitely not "average".

▲CrimsonCape a day ago | parent [-]

He also fostered shifting the product line to enterprise- dominant and therefore fostered the acceleration of decline of personal computing. There’s no nuance that I can see reflected in his actions; big money AI spenders come, he jumps in feet first. If “democratization of AI” is even a concept, it’s pretty insulting that the personal consumer is cut out (but let’s make sure China is still getting hardware)

▲CamperBob2 a day ago | parent [-]

He wasn't trying to run a museum or a charity.

▲AlphaSite a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He has poor judgement but I’ve yet to see any of the major consumer hardware companies that understand both hardware and software in the way he did. Or really the value of a fully vertically integrated stack.

Nvidia thrived because it paired great hardware with great software.

AMD and Intel think hardware is enough; it’s not. There’s a reason neither has ever been able to compete with Nvidia.

They have a giant ego, but I’d argue it’s probably well deserved.

Apple is/was similar. They also see that hardware without great software is useless. Spend as much; if not more on software to make your hardware shine.

▲vondur a day ago | parent | next [-]

Intel has some good compilers that take advantage of their hardware don't they? I think AMD now understands the software side of things, and is trying to fix it. Wonder how long it will take for them to get close to Nvidia's software side?

▲AlphaSite 20 hours ago | parent [-]

That was 15 years ago. They haven’t done it since.

Look at optane; amazing hardware but total flop.

Nvidia made their market, they had these GPUs which were great at linear algebra so they found new systems to drive more demand for more powerful chips, things like PhysX, CUDA, DLSS, AI inference, etc.

They induce demand where others chased it.

Doesn’t excuse his faults but you can’t ignore what the company did.

▲soulofmischief a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Apple's software quality has jumped off a cliff in the last few years, unfortunately.

▲Danox a day ago | parent | next [-]

According to you, in comparison to the current competition, hardly Microsoft Google, Amazon, Nvidia, AMD, the Koreans, the Chinese, the Linux world, they don’t add up not when it comes to hardware and software and the ability to create an ecosystem, you’re actually dead wrong.

Another thing is wrong was thinking that Apple should run in and build some type of AI model that’s proving to be well wrong the only thing in Apple’s way right now is memory. certainly isn’t money, and they certainly have the talent and house to fix the memory problem. The question is whether or not they have the will to do so.

No one equals Apple at this point in time when it comes to seamlessly integrating multiple devices in a useful way. Be it a desktop computer, laptop a smartphone, tablet, smartwatch, Apple Vision, AirPods with each iteration, once again in comparison to their competition, they seem to have the best hand at this time.

Memory cost is the biggest problem Apple has right now and it’s not like they don’t lack the money and with the Apple Silicon design group they certainly have the capability to fix it, or I should say design around it.

Yes, it might take 2 to 5 years to do it, but it’s not impossible, the main question is, do they have the will? And they’ve certainly shown it when it comes to processors, GPUs, modems, and other support chips that they can execute over time.

They may not execute on what you want or what I want, but in comparison to their competition, who is out there right now that can combine both the software and the hardware at a high level across the board?

▲soulofmischief 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I have no idea what you're trying to say in relation to my comment, but you do try to set up and take down several wild straw man arguments which I never made, so you might as well respond to your own comment and keep it going, I don't even need to participate.

▲Exoristos a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> Apple's software quality has jumped off a cliff in the last few years

So did they round something you wanted to see square, or vice versa?

▲soulofmischief 9 hours ago | parent [-]

This is such an arrogant, presumptive and mean-spirited comment that I cannot imagine you actually want an answer or a healthy conversation about the topic.

You need to review Hacker News site guidelines and refrain from posting flamebait.

▲Danox a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, we’re gonna find out how important he was. If he is on the level as some of the other great CEOs Nvidia gonna have trouble, this little flare could be the beginning of the AI bubble bursting. Because I don’t see Intel or AMD rising to the same level as Nvidia. Microsoft seems to be having bad luck with their team-ups.

▲peezd a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can't say it was solely his choice but Nvidia continually made fantastic market moves. CUDA, then their positioning to ride the crypto boom, and then the AI boom. all of that required deliberate planning with a strong long term vision.

▲Danox a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not true. The decisions always come out of the person at the top. See what happened to Intel recently when they had a succession of MBA bad CEOs…

Nvidia is a highly technical company we’re gonna find out how important Jensen really was to that company tech wise?

And if you look closely at their company, what have they really innovated on over the last five or six years? from a distance, like Intel, it seems like they just turn up the juice/Wattage in short, they are just cruising along.

▲spunker540 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Self founds one of the most valuable companies of all time - average CEO, sure

You can criticize his recent question actions all you want, but you can’t believe he is “average”.

▲Danox a day ago | parent [-]

Definitely not average, but Nvidia is the definition of one trick, and that one trick long-term will be their downfall, Intel is in the same position and so is AMD and Microsoft.

Due to sanctions there’s one Chinese company that seems to have become a multi-dimensional company we won’t know for sure for another two years.

Being a vertical computer company appears to be coming back in style bring on the 1980s. early 1990s.

▲CamperBob2 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

NVIDIA doesn't exist because of some inherent greatness of a single person.

Yeah, it pretty much does. CUDA is why they are positioned where they are. Other players like AMD and Intel could have done that, but they didn't, and if they had, they wouldn't have persevered for 10+ years with essentially nothing to show for it.

Whether CUDA will continue to maintain dominance is less clear. It may become a literal victim of its own success, as CUDA-based models gain the ability to migrate themselves to new platforms.

▲Danox a day ago | parent | next [-]

It is because of his vision. And with him gone, we shall find out about Nvidia, when Apple computer went through a succession of mediocre CEOs, they were on the ropes if it wasn’t for the founder CEO coming back, Apple would’ve been history like Sun, SGI, Acorn, Commodore, Digital and a host of other computer companies from the 1980s and mid-1990s.

Western companies have had that problem. when the visionary CEO bites the dust. I think the Eastern companies are even more susceptible.

Note: Nvidia is the very definition of a one trick company I think they were in trouble long-term no operating system, Microsoft is in trouble in the other direction. No real in-house hardware ability. Long-term you have to have the ability of both in-house to adjust and iterate over the long haul with the changing conditions in tech.

▲papua_is_being_ 13 hours ago | parent [-]

NVIDIA and Microsoft have long history together with XBOX. Pretty shady stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW07AIaJDPM

▲keybrd-intrrpt a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Exactly.

He may not have 'invented' CUDA but he saw the potential and gave it resources to be created and continually developed.

How many "CUDA-like" ideas have be squashed at other companies by leaders that don't see the potential or are willing to take a multi-year loss?

IMO, it's like SpaceX vs other rocket companies - especially Blue Origin.

Bezos, at least at first, had just as much money if not more than Musk. So why did SpaceX do so much better than them and every other rocket company. I despise Musk personally, and he's generally not as smart as he makes himself out to be - but there is something there he does differently than others in his position, some with similar resources as he does as well.

▲Danox a day ago | parent [-]

Bezos is a genius and an another direction? a direction that is 180° different than Elon? and neither one probably will ever do well on the other person’s home field.

▲viklove a day ago | parent | prev [-]

The temporarily embarrassed billionaires have swarmed your comment to remind you that success is based on a single person, which is why they should get to do whatever they want when they're running their own Nvidia-sized corp one day.

▲ipaddr a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are so many people who could fill his position. Not such a big loss

▲NetMageSCW a day ago | parent [-]

Tell me you know nothing about nVidia without saying it.

▲ipaddr a day ago | parent [-]

Let's see if nVidia goes under now that he quit. I bet it won't and doesn't matters. You probably thought Apple couldn't go on without Jobs.

▲gilrain 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> He is a huge loss to Nvidia and the US

Let's expect better of leadership than to be criminal.