| ▲ | comrade1234 6 hours ago |
| You can't sign away your rights like that in a contract. The contract is invalid. |
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| ▲ | dfxm12 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's worth clarifying, because you absolutely can sign away rights in a contract. You can even sign away constitutionally protected rights, like free speech. This regularly happens vis-a-vis NDA's. I bring this up because I am (morbidly) interested in the technicalities. Like, could it just be an unenforceable provision to an otherwise valid contract? |
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| ▲ | kibwen an hour ago | parent [-] | | > You can even sign away constitutionally protected rights, like free speech. The text of the first amendment only asserts that "Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech", so signing away your ability to speak isn't in conflict with the Constitution. |
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| ▲ | sspiff 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would probably sign if all of the following are true: - The money is significantly better than my other options - I believe the company not to be serious about the suicide clause - I believe the suicide clause to be non-binding in any jurisdiction that applies to myself or the foundation - I didn't believe the company / foundation would take my refusal to kill myself at a later time as a license to have me killed The last one is a bit out there, but in the world of crypto, you can never be too sure. Also, regardless of whether I would sign, I think it's in pretty poor taste and a bright amber flag (but not quite a red flag) if an employer thinks this is a funny or acceptable thing to put into a contract. It's also in very poor taste and reeks of coercion to send out a manifesto or mandate like this on a Friday and expect people to sign or agree by Monday or lose their jobs. They likely wouldn't be able to have it reviewed by a lawyer over the weekend if they chose to do so. |
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| ▲ | skeeter2020 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Unfortunately I have worked with smart, nice people who would take this contract literally, are overly invested in their jobs and would be likely to take me out - even preemptive to any order from the company - if I violated my "contract". | | |
| ▲ | genxy an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Getting taken out by an autistic hitman with a namshub installed by a cryptocurrency company IS on my 2027 bingo card. | |
| ▲ | Blahah an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Playing fast and loose with the words "smart" and "nice" there. |
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| ▲ | NoahZuniga 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I dont understand why you have all these requirements. A suicide pledge in a contract is unenforceable (both socially and legally), so signing it or not doesn't really matter. | | |
| ▲ | wat10000 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I would be extremely wary of tying a big part of my life to a company that insists on me signing an unenforceable contract. | |
| ▲ | toast0 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > A suicide pledge in a contract is unenforceable (both socially and legally), so signing it or not doesn't really matter. If it doesn't matter, it shouldn't be in the contract. I don't tend to have a lot of drafting power in employment contracts, but pushing back on meaningless contract provisions is a lot easier than pushing back on substantive ones. It's at least worth getting them on the record, in writing, as 'we absolutely insist on this (bullshit) contract provision being in here, it is required for your continued employment'. |
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| ▲ | theptip 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The one group of people that you should take literally in contracts are the Ethereum / smart contract folks. Code is law is the founding principle of Etherium! | | | |
| ▲ | CodingJeebus 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Also, regardless of whether I would sign, I think it's in pretty poor taste and a bright amber flag (but not quite a red flag) if an employer thinks this is a funny or acceptable thing to put into a contract. How is this in any way NOT a red flag? In what universe is this a neutral signal about the health of an organization that manages a significant amount of capital? > It's also in very poor taste and reeks of coercion to send out a manifesto or mandate like this on a Friday and expect people to sign or agree by Monday or lose their jobs. They likely wouldn't be able to have it reviewed by a lawyer over the weekend if they chose to do so. In sum total, "this sounds very very bad but not necessarily a red flag". Absurd. | | |
| ▲ | kirth_gersen 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah. Agreed. This is ALL red flags, all the way down. Might as well be cutesy anime red flags drawn onto an actual physical red flag. Suicide isn't funny and shame enforced ritual suicide for "failing" is even less hilarious, if that's possible. Reeks of sociopathy... | |
| ▲ | nradov 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Of course it's a red flag? People only ever work for cryptocurrency companies in the first place because they're scammers themselves and think they can get rich while leaving suckers holding the bag. The whole thing is a red flag from the beginning so I don't know why anyone would expect otherwise. | | |
| ▲ | nailer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That a wildly unhinged take, they could just work in payments or finance lol but yes it’s a red flag and with that much at stake an insane individual would “enforce” the contract. |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What "contract"? They're referencing a meme on page 11 of the document, which looks like this: https://imgur.com/a/bSYTJb1 Are people seriously believing the Ethereum Foundation is looking for its members to commit suicide in case they don't publish full source-code? :P Either I'm massively misreading what the outrage is about, or I think this is the point I stop understanding how the world works. Are people taking that image seriously??? |
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| ▲ | tsimionescu 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't understand the concept of "a meme on page 11 of [a contract]". If it's in a contract, it's part of the contract. Decorations or jokes in a legal document are... Not a thing. Or at least must not be a thing. | |
| ▲ | striking 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The final published version presented the suicide pledge in an illustration instead of including it in the main body of the mandate, as it had been in the draft version. | |
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| ▲ | wat10000 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The image is in a binding contract. Why would I not take it seriously? Do I think they mean it? No. Would I sign it? No. This is like the typical nonsense when you're negotiating with a company where their actual practice has diverged from their standard contracts. You point something out, and the response comes back "that's just boilerplate, we don't enforce that." OK, that's cool. If you don't enforce it then you can take it out of the contract. At no point is my response ever to say "OK, I trust you, I'll sign as-is." Even if I do trust them. | |
| ▲ | sigmar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Nearly 80 of the foundation’s 250 or so employees voted to nix the suicide pledge after the draft was released, according to the lawsuit, but leadership at the Ethereum Foundation ignored their objections and included the pledge word-for-word in the final version of the mandate. Contacts are still contracts even if you put pictures in it. You definitely don't understand how the world works if you don't get that. | |
| ▲ | VCFundedGenYer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Read it again. It was in the contract. What skepticism do you have? What aren't you getting? | |
| ▲ | cyanydeez 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | ok, so I'm really curious what you think people are suppose to do in the world of "skepticism". I mean, you've no doubt spent the last 10 years hearing about 4chan and donald trumps connection. Just because something _could_ be considered some kind of satire, assuming we should all default to that interpretation basically dissolved the social system everywhere. "its just a joke bro" is not a useful critical thinking skill. | | |
| ▲ | normie3000 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I mean, you've no doubt spent the last 10 years hearing about 4chan and donald trumps connection. No, what is the connection? |
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