| ▲ | cladopa 3 hours ago |
| If you are one of the most powerful man on earth you are going to be the target of all the secret services of all powerful countries. Period. It is their job. You take decisions that are worth billions, you influence people that take decisions that are worth billions, and affect their countries. They are going to study you for years. Your personality type and that of the people around you. Your weaknesses. Your problems and that of your family. They will employ the most sweet and the most pleasurable and gorgeous honey that there is in the world to create the perfect Honey trap. Normal people just can not imagine how sweet, specially when it has been customised around your needs and desires. It is not just a woman wanting to have sex with you. It will be the woman in your dreams. |
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| ▲ | rajup 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| What a load of bollocks. You make it sound like Jensen was some kind of victim here and had no choice. Please let's not normalize moral failings and weaknesses (especially of powerful people). |
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| ▲ | mosura 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A significant proportion of the people I know that won the startup lottery ended up losing the money when the girl they were into at high school flies themselves at them, has their kids, then goes back to the dude they were with before with the kids and child support, and this is relatively small fry and without any possible gov involvement. The people in here acting like they would be immune to all this are kidding themselves. |
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| ▲ | WheatMillington 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This does not sound like something you've ACTUALLY encountered multiple times. | | |
| ▲ | InsidiousWombat an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | 40% first marriages in US end in divorce. Second marriages have 60%. 2/3 initiated by women You just need to know few people to qualify for "multiple times" | | |
| ▲ | helterskelter2 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > 2/3 initiated by women You say this like 2/3 of divorce is the fault of women, but IME they usually have good reason to do so. | |
| ▲ | tenacious_tuna an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's a large jump from "divorces happen a lot" to "many startup founders have their highschool sweetheart honeypot them for child support" | | |
| ▲ | bilbo0s 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | In fairness, it seems like everyone is a startup founder. I can't tell you the number of CV's and resumes I've seen that have CEO of something I've never heard of on them. Just saying that being a startup founder is not particularly rare or special the past twenty years. You don't even have to do particularly well with your startup. People probably get targeted for a measly 750K exit. I think on HN we get a twisted opinion of what is big money to most people. | | |
| ▲ | HaZeust 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >" I think on HN we get a twisted opinion of what is big money to most people." >"a measly 750K exit" No kidding, lol. |
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| ▲ | mosura 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is how you know this is a male dominated forum: women would not be remotely surprised and in fact tend to be the only ones warning of it when it is about to happen. And let’s face it, nerds are especially vulnerable. | |
| ▲ | faangguyindia 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | People are missing the point; it depends on the "circle" you are in.
Not all will have the same experiences occurring at the same frequency. | |
| ▲ | irishcoffee an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I sure have. I’m surprised you’re surprised. |
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| ▲ | v3ss0n an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That remind me of founder of a really good, Realtime NoSQL Database .. RethinkDB .
And his wisdom that he hard earned still reminds me not to repeat his mistake..
~Don't Hire a Hot young girl before you have product market fit. | |
| ▲ | Revanche1367 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This sounds incredibly unlikely to happen to multiple people a person knows but “significant proportion” is vague enough for it to still be true even it’s just one. But, I think people are misreading that you’re suggesting these were honey traps rather than just high school crushes taking advantage of men they ignored earlier in life when they become rich and then abandoning them once they no longer are. | |
| ▲ | zarzavat 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Marriage and hyperindividualism are a dangerous mix. | |
| ▲ | antonymoose 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | “If she’s a 10 she’s an (intelligence) asset” That principle works for anyone with means to seize. | | |
| ▲ | bilbo0s 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | >That principle works for anyone with means to seize. Believing that is the first step to a compromise. This principle works for anyone period. Just think everyone should consider the possibility that no one really needs the head of R&D. For good intelligence agencies, the guy who does low level IT will do nicely thank you very much. No one, man or woman, grows closer to being a 10 as they age. So if you work for some of these critical companies and your perfect man or woman shows up, you should be on your guard. | |
| ▲ | skhr0680 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's for other people. This time is different. | |
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| ▲ | Horffupolde an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | cgomez an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is why I refuse to give up reading HN comments. For absolute nonsensical gems like this. | |
| ▲ | pseudohadamard 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Dear world's intelligence agencies, On the chance that I might one day become the CEO of a very important company, could you forward me my dream girl in advance? Thanks. PH. | |
| ▲ | Capricorn2481 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > A significant proportion of the people I know that won the startup lottery ended up losing the money when the girl they were into at high school flies themselves at them, has their kids, then goes back to the dude they were with before with the kids and child support What in the world are you talking about? Most successful people you know get honeypotted by their high school crush? I don't know anybody like that. How did you determine it was a honeypot and not just a regular divorce? > The people in here acting like they would be immune to all this are kidding themselves Maybe speak for yourself. | | | |
| ▲ | surgical_fire 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The people in here acting like they would be immune to all this are kidding themselves. People in here are probably salty that they are not valuable enough to be targeted by some sexy Chinese spy. | |
| ▲ | hansonkd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sounds like you have little to no experience with people who won the startup lottery. | | |
| ▲ | InsidiousWombat an hour ago | parent [-] | | Sounds like you don't know that divorce rate is near 50% and mostly initiated by the woman | | |
| ▲ | Timon3 an hour ago | parent [-] | | The divorce rate could be 99% without GP's situation ever happening. This stat says nothing by itself. Even if the situation really did happen multiple times, it's entirely possible that something else caused the divorces, e.g. people who came to money like this could turn out to be bad parents/partners on average. I mean, seems like there's plenty of examples of riches frying people's brains right now... |
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| ▲ | jongjong an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | They're patriotic women in both cases; in the former case, by stealing industrial secrets, in this case, doing their duty to help decentralize their nations' wealth though the family court system, thus helping to solve the wealth inequality crisis. This is kind of necessary with AI taking over jobs. If the situation gets worse, poor chad men will have to find themselves a rich mistress (or client) to support them financially. It might become the biggest non-tech industry. There will be entire teams of people working on just one rich tech guy's wife and competing against other teams to seduce her. The last remnant of a free market. |
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| ▲ | mandeepj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > If you are one of the most powerful man on earth you In that case, you also have access to practically every resource on the planet to run a background check on the person of your interest. He didn't do it; that implies a lack of judgment, so he fell short of what's expected of him. Jensen fell for convenience, or was blindsided by some trait of her personality. Otherwise, executives use escort services all the time. |
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| ▲ | rileymat2 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Hold on, you also have China finding a person that does not have anything that shows up in a background check which they could execute with even more resources. | | |
| ▲ | mandeepj 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | US intelligence agencies were able to flag her based on something. So, clearly, she left a trail. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The troubling part is the cover-up. Huang seems to have believed that if Republicans kept control of the Congress he wouldn’t have to come clean. |
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| ▲ | stephc_int13 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| True, to some extent. But also, he should know and see it coming, and people in his entourage should also see it and be briefed/watched by services. |
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| ▲ | ip26 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a cat and mouse game. Obviously, the adversary will in turn do everything in their power to make it look natural and get past that kind of defensiveness. Perhaps as far as to say, the only suspicious thing about the perfect agent would be the lack of anything to be suspicious of. | |
| ▲ | rtpg 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean he should just not have an affair, independent of whether the other person is a spy or not. |
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| ▲ | slashnode 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| stop making excuses for these people. |
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| ▲ | fuzzythrowaway2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, you don't need to go that deep. Look through histories, myths, folklore from all around the world. Powerful men have mistresses. Regular men have mistresses. Powerful women go through several husbands. Regular women, too. The institution of marriage exists to counteract the natural human tendency to be "unfaithful". No one needs to make excuses, they need to accept the fact that this kind of thing happens and update their expectations. I say this as someone who's family was torn apart by an affair, by a failure to update expectations. Well, that was the excuse; the issues were deeper, the affair was a focus-sink and an excuse not to address them. I wonder if that's the case here, too. (I should make clear that I think Jensen Huang sucks for other reasons.) | | |
| ▲ | 14u2c an hour ago | parent [-] | | No judgement on the approach but I do advise being careful not to blame yourself for the actions of others. Sometimes your own expectations are valid. |
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| ▲ | neya 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "these people" ? | | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Rich people who can’t help themselves to whatever they want/see because they are too powerful/rich and have lost perspective. They think they can do whatever they want with impunity because most of the time they can. Then once in a while there are actual repercussions and someone wants us to be sympathetic? Get outta here | | |
| ▲ | neya 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Get outta here Lol, don't take out your anger for not being rich at random people on the internet. Affairs are common across diverse economic profiles of people, not just the rich. All that anger for nothing. | | |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’m not angry, I’m laughing at how absurd this is. Yes affairs are unfortunately common but this whole honey pot thing is ridiculous. That doesn’t suddenly make me sympathetic to cheating. |
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| ▲ | method_capital 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Rich people, lol.
I think this tale's been told cross income net worth strata for something on the order of eons (or all of human history if you really want to know). | | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | And yet who would go to bat for you and I claiming we deserve sympathy for having an affair? |
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| ▲ | BoingBoomTschak 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People for whom fidelity is optional. |
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| ▲ | totallymike 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [dead] | |
| ▲ | jrflowers 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | There’s a 100% chance the dude was so hornt up that he didn’t care if he slept with a spy or whatever. Inventing a universe where he lost at Six Dimensional Sex Chess is what somebody would do for an AO3 story |
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| ▲ | bonoboTP 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Huh, makes you wonder why this isn't available overboard via expensive matchmaking. And if it is why doesn't he use it. |
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| ▲ | corndoge 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A plausible reason would be that he was not looking to have an affair but rather was actively seduced. Someone not looking to have an affair would not use a matchmaking service. | | |
| ▲ | kshacker 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Been there done that. lol I am not the richest man, not even close and nothing physical happened. But I once got into a parasocial relationship after decades of monogamy and no dalliances. Never planned for it, and in hindsight years later don't know what happened. And it was so cathartic. | | |
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| ▲ | selcuka 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Remember that in the above scenario the seducer is an agent for hire (or she's doing it for patriotic or other reasons), not genuinely in love with the rich exec. Honest matchmaking can't guarantee the same experience in every instance. Obviously the exec could have paid for the same service himself, but that wouldn't be called matchmaking (and it's not what most people seek). | | |
| ▲ | bonoboTP 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Good points. It's a one sided match that's in part due to acting. And person often isn't actively seeking it out consciously. |
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| ▲ | hamdingers an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | They don't go out and find your perfect match, they get someone that works for them to act like your perfect match. This does exist as a service and is considered by many to be the oldest profession in the world. |
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| ▲ | crazygringo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It is not just a woman wanting to have sex with you. It will be the woman in your dreams. This is really not true. Spies are just people, there aren't that many of them, and they don't come "customized". The overlap of effective spies and "the most sweet and the most pleasurable and gorgeous honey that there is in the world" is very close to zero. What you are describing is conspiracy-theory thinking or the kind of stuff you see in James Bond movies. Not real life. Obviously spies exist, like here, but she's just... a normal woman who has a job as a spy and tried to seduce him and succeeded. He may have turned down five others who failed miserably in their attempts. And sure they try to put together a psychological profile of the person, but that's also not really rocket science, and it's going to be pretty basic stuff. "Your weaknesses" is not going to be that exciting. Maybe he's really into expensive wines. It's not like he has a secret gambling addiction. So let's just keep this reality-based and not fantasy-based. |
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| ▲ | rdtsc an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > The overlap of effective spies and "the most sweet and the most pleasurable and gorgeous honey that there is in the world" is very close to zero. The overlap doesn’t have to be that great. The spies are also not random you don’t get random spies matching with random CEOs. They just have to have enough available agents and enough info on the target, physical proximity, and other factors to attempt something to work out. In many cases it’s not something that will be in the news either. It will be just a failed attempt, or just an affair. | |
| ▲ | dannyw an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Realistically speaking, there's a good chance the affair probably happened first, and then the MSS got involved second. Even the most powerful people can be really dumb. | | |
| ▲ | blini-kot 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Even the most powerful people can be really dumb "even"? Barring the fact that power makes you dumber, those in power at least for the last ~40 years or so had been actually selected to be dumber mr. Huang case here is a shining example |
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| ▲ | Betelbuddy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >> not fantasy-based A nerd thinking a woman is into them...that is the fantasy...No she did not happen to bump into you in the elevator, and no she is not there to attend the same AWS conference that you... and oh no... she does NOT happen to like the same SciFi you do ...and no ...you are not ohh so funny... That | |
| ▲ | ai_critic 10 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > What you are describing is conspiracy-theory thinking or the kind of stuff you see in James Bond movies. Not real life. This is literally a state actor running sexpionage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexpionage). |
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| ▲ | jcranmer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's... really not that hard. All you have to do is be content with what you have, and not go lusting after new opportunities. Although granted, anyone who can pull that off probably isn't going to be a multibillionaire CEO, because that's the kind of personality selected against among CEOs. But if you're married, with kids, and you're willing to throw that away to chase someone else, I'd argue you have a serious personality flaw going on there. |
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| ▲ | sidewndr46 a few seconds ago | parent | next [-] | | Isn't there actually a south park episode about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Healing_(South_Park) | |
| ▲ | ksec 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >to chase someone else, There is no chase here. It is the other way round. | | |
| ▲ | jcranmer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Even if someone else is initiating it, you still have the power to say no. Especially if you're rich enough to be able to do things like apply for restraining orders or else to keep them away. Jensen wasn't an innocent victim, he was still an active, voluntary participant. | | |
| ▲ | cataphract 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, but more or less in the same sense that drug addicts have the power to say "no". It's not that easy to rebuff approaches from women you're very attracted to; it's much easier to avoid having the opportunity come up in the first place. I think at the very least the moral judgment should be accompanied by some empathy. | | |
| ▲ | ksec an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | May be a better analogy is simply not any drugs, but a well funded and researched unique drug that is specifically designed for the target. I am going to guess Jensen isn't even looking for beauty, although that is certainly part of the deal. But someone who is also business savvy, understands technology, smart and somehow well connected to AI as well as a business partner in some sense. And perhaps it is worth pointing out the obvious, this isn't a simple beauty trap, it is a pys-op. Although there is part of that thinks. Could Jensen knew of this all along. And it was just a way to get business going. | |
| ▲ | totallymike 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [dead] | |
| ▲ | c0nducktr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You're telling on yourself here. | |
| ▲ | plasticchris 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just look what happened to Leto II |
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| ▲ | fxwin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > All you have to do is be content with what you have, and not go lusting after new opportunities What if Huang wasn't married/with family? Would he just never get to form close relationships after becoming successful? | | |
| ▲ | FireBeyond an hour ago | parent [-] | | No, it means you apply a modicum of common sense, commensurate with your risk/exposure. While it might seem the opposite of romantic you have your security people check them out. |
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| ▲ | appplication 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Being content with what you have arguably not a mutually compatible attribute with being a billionaire. Not even being snarky. | | |
| ▲ | jcranmer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not going to disagree with you--I've said multiple times in the past (not sure if I've said it here) that I don't think it's possible to be both ethical and a billionaire. But that's not really a defense of the behavior, and it's perhaps a sign that we should stop valorizing billionaires. | | |
| ▲ | WalterBright 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Billionaires become that way by creating products and services that people are freely willing to pay for. Nothing unethical about it. |
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| ▲ | fantasizr 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| few of us can imagine the problems that come with being that type of leader/ceo. Knowing who trust and who is using you is a challenge |
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| ▲ | nunez 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | thats why you hire professional security people who've played these games... |
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| ▲ | method_capital 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sign me up! |
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| ▲ | armchairhacker 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yet there are plenty of billionaires who do not, at least publicly, have tragic relationships. Steve Jobs? Warren Buffet? Gavin Newsom (for the past 20 years)? Look at recent and current tech CEOs. Gates, Musk, Zuckerberg sure…but Amodie, Altman, Cook, Nadella seem to be in stable relationships, and stable in general. No, not all men think with their dicks. Huang’s martial fidelity is below average. |
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| ▲ | dcrazy 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Steve Jobs, the man who named a computer after the daughter he denied for years was his? | |
| ▲ | BoorishBears 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Having Steve Jobs on your list makes me retroactively suspicious of every other name on the list | | |
| ▲ | armchairhacker 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | https://www.ranker.com/list/steve-jobs-loves-and-hookups/cel... This doesn’t read “groomed by intelligence agencies” to me. He had relationship troubles, but they were before Apple blew up. He met Laurene Powell in 1989 and they stayed together until his death in 2011. I also don’t think it’s an excuse that he was particularly attractive, since plenty of other men on this list are less so. Buffet married a 60-year old woman in his 70s, if he cared about looks he could’ve dated a 20-year old. |
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| ▲ | bilbo0s 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'll give you Jobs, now that he's passed away and we have a lot of the dirt on him. But everyone else, we really don't know about. Also, (just kind of pointing this out as a relevant factor, not really trying to insult the others), but Steve Jobs is tall and good looking. The guy would have gotten plenty of women with just a guitar and not a nickel to his name. I'm thinking Musk and Gates were very likely not in that league as far as raw attractiveness. | | |
| ▲ | armchairhacker 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I can give more examples. Past US presidents. Joe Biden? Barack Obama? Either George Bush? Ronald Reagan? Jimmy Carter? 6 of 8. And they’re politicians, so if they had any embarrassing martial info we’d surely know about it. | | |
| ▲ | defrost 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Ronald Reagan did have a bit of old school 1950s era scandal about him - a twice married Hollywood actor type whose kids from the second marriage didn't even know they had brothers and sisters from another mother until their early teens(? not sure on timing). Small beer stuff today, titillating gossip for some. |
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| ▲ | defrost 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just because actual desk toy Bill Gates didn't make the cover of Rolling Stone or even Teen Beat shouldn't detract from his .. .. whatever this is: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/teen-beat/ |
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| ▲ | jayd16 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What if we maybe built legal and financial practices that prevented such a concentration of power and wealth that these honey pots would not be viable. |
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| ▲ | Teever 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| While the dynamic for the physical security of the rich and powerful has changed a bit due to drones, up until recently it was neigh impossible for the common person to threaten the physical security of someone like this, or for nation-states to do so without being noticed. That meant that the only way to attack these people was a soft attack in the form of social interactions or social media and as such it's always struck me as extremely foolish for these kinds of people to let themselves be preyed upon in this manner. Like they have teams of people who keep them physically safe, but not mentally safe, so in the age of social media a motivated attacker can, with enough cleverness[0][1] directly reach the mind of someone who otherwise couldn't be reached. Why does that happen? I think it's not so much because they're juicy targets that entities with unlimited resources can meticulously target like you describe but because people like Jensen Huang or Bill Gates are very technically competent they probably lack the social skills so they're too often the Michael Scott to the Todd Packer in situations like this[2] and when a hint of opportunity to be sexually promiscuous is presented to them they seize on it without thinking of the consequences. Think of the married blue collar dudes who pick up bored divorcees at some dive sports bar after watching the big game and then drive home drunk, juggling multiple mistresses and a family life with relative ease for years. A manager like Jensen Huang may be able to handle multiple business units but he can't manage a single mistress handling his unit because that just isn't his skill set. [0] https://gwern.net/doc/www/web.archive.org/5e00c6993450adc597... [1] https://www.npr.org/2010/06/08/127564512/for-the-love-of-goo... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Ci_oopVTk |
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| ▲ | jacquesm an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | A drone is a pretty extreme measure. A mistress is a very long term plan with long term ROI if not discovered and comes with the ability to influence decisions. It is far more valuable than being able to murder random people. | | |
| ▲ | Teever an hour ago | parent [-] | | Agreed. The drone comment as an aside just to head-off people saying "Well actually people aren't so physically secure anymore..." The point I'm trying to make is that people at this level can and often do have absolute physical security but have almost comical[0] lapses in psychological/mental security that lead to the kinds of things that you're describing. The severity of this issue makes me wonder why it seemingly isn't accounted for appropriately in security threat modelling. You'd think that that the handlers for a dweeb like Huang or Gates would take the appropriate steps to mitigate the threat, if only by adopting harm-reduction principles and getting their CEO an in-house honey pot to proactively fend off external threats. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP4d74Qk3ac | | |
| ▲ | SaucyWrong 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I agree, but I wonder what is the threat model for the CEO saying, “shut up, I’m your employer. Let this person through.” I’m not sure somebody with an infatuation and ultimate authority over you is something a security person can work into the threat model. |
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| ▲ | fuzzythrowaway2 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe. Or maybe the point of acquiring outsize money and power to many people is to unshackle their experience of the world, and to impose their philosophy on it. Physical security is one thing; I reckon most aren't signing up to be brainwashed for the good of the company (beyond WUSA or whatever). |
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| ▲ | FireBeyond an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > They will employ the most sweet and the most pleasurable and gorgeous honey that there is in the world to create the perfect Honey trap. I heard stories of the CIA doing a class with new State Department employees, or ones at a certain level, that among other things involved the instructor "rating" everyone ("You're a 4, you're a 6, you're a 5..."), with the point being "If a woman comes up to you at a bar, and she's a 9 or a 10, she's either an escort or a foreign asset, and your safest assumption is the latter." |
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| ▲ | smis92 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sorry for the newly created anonymous account to comment. This is true. Those of us working on classified programs get briefed on this sort of stuff and this is exactly what they tell us. These operatives are highly trained, research their targets extensively, and are very good at their jobs. Once they get leverage over their targets they're most of the way there. Sex, money, fame, are all very enticing to some people and once the leverage is established most people will do anything to keep it going and keep it private. Huang's coming forward and publicly admitting the affair effectively zeroes out the leverage. It's probably the best thing he could do once the full gravity of the situation came out. I don't know if high-level leadership at every company with export-restricted products gets the security briefings they should. I bet Mr. Huang and the rest of the leadership team at Nvidia is getting it now. |
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| ▲ | darth_avocado 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We’re all pretending that these people can’t afford NDAs, background checks or other people to manage these situations. What you’re saying is true and exactly the reason billionaires have an inner circle that manages all this. NFL players with a fraction of the money these people have manage that better. If you’re Jensen, there really ain’t that many excuses you can make. |
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| ▲ | jmyeet an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've been thinking about this issue a lot in terms of the influence on the US government. The NKVD then KGB coined the term "kompromat" for compromising material. If you join a 3 letter agency or the military or probably many government departments and contractors, you'll have to go through a background check. The more sensitive the information you have access to, the more extensive the background check. The particular employer won't necessarily care what skeletons are in your closet. They're concerned with your ability to be blackmailed or bribed. So if you get in a lot of debt, you can lose your security clearance. Some of the most successful spies have recruited with a relative pittance of money in comparison to the damage they can do. But there's one exception to all this: if you an elected politician, you don't need to go through any of this. The FBI can't disqualify you. Even if you're in the executive, the FBI might disqualify you but the president can overrule that. Case in point: Jared Kushner [1]. There are a bunch of politicians and senior staff who are DL (ie secretly gay). There's a running joke that Grindr has an outage every time the RNC Convention is in town (eg [2]). The ownership of and access to Grindr's platform and data is actually a national security concern. And then there's the Jeffrey Epstein of it all. So while things like honeypots have existed and will continue to exist (as might be the case here with NVidia), you might find yourself asking "how do these powerful people fall for this stuff or end up having dirt?" whereas I think you should be asking "do these people become powerful and/or rich because they're compromised or can be compromised?" Someone who is compromised is on the team and won't rat you out. It's mutually assured destruction. I'm really not sure what we do about it. Ideally politicians should be able to pass security clearance background checks but that's a moral hazard as the agency, whose head is a political appointee, could effectively veto certain candidates. This has the hallmarks of the J. Edgar Hoover years. A system intentionally filtering out people with integrity who aren't compromised is a sobering and depressing thought. [1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/officials-reje... [2]: https://www.newsweek.com/grindr-app-crashes-milwaukee-rnc-19... |
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| ▲ | testbjjl 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| But you know, she doesn’t really want you, unless you let yourself. |
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| ▲ | yread 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't know... I mean I'm just a CEO of a one man company and even I get suspicious when a woman is too nice to me. Surely, with more responsibility you should get even more paranoid |
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| ▲ | steve_taylor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| All that effort only to discover Jensen likes what every man likes. |
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| ▲ | OtherShrezzing 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Normal people just can not imagine how sweet, specially when it has been customised around your needs and desires. I think most normal people have tried Doritos at some point, which are the flavour-equivalent of what you’re describing here. It’s food designed to satisfy your human needs and desires. |
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| ▲ | afavour 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So you keep it in your pants. I mean, come on. > Normal people just can not imagine how sweet, specially when it has been customised around your needs and desires. She’s a woman, not a sweet from Willy Wonka’s factory. If you find yourself thinking “wow, she couldn’t be more perfect, it’s like she’s too good to be true” then perhaps as the CEO of a billion dollar company with national security concerns you should consider hey, maybe she is too good to be true? Maybe look into that? All else aside, if you find yourself being tempted, you make sure she isn’t around you. The CEO compensation more than makes up for your sacrifice. |
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| ▲ | ip26 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think the point is you have a nation-state adversary with millions of dollars and many teams of people working around the clock for years to figure out how to make you say yes. Including not crafting a persona who is too perfect, because that would obviously arouse suspicions. Obviously the target has agency, I don't deny that, but it seems blindingly shortsighted to think it's as simple as "be suspicious of supermodels who are into you". | | |
| ▲ | Capricorn2481 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe I'm just weird, but I love my wife and wouldn't cheat on her, even if a nation state tried to craft some kind of "ideal woman." It's a bit alarming so many people on this thread are treating it like a foregone conclusion that all men are doomed to cheat on their wives if given the right hair color and conversation topics. | | |
| ▲ | overfeed 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Maybe I'm just weird, but I love my wife and wouldn't cheat on her I agree with you, but, brain chemistry is weird, and "wouldn't cheat on them" is easier said than done and requires a lot of discipline in the heat of the moment when the situation arises and your own hind-brain and hormones are fighting you. A blasé attitude won't prepare you foe the sucker-punch. I've seen grown people with multi-decade relationships throw it away because they got a tiny bit of extra-marital romantic attention, and the thrill regressed them to teenagers. In the majority if cases the cheaters' amors weren't interested in a long-term relationships. | |
| ▲ | reassess_blind 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well to be fair, you haven't been put in that situation so it's hard to say how you would act. I'm sure many people who have affairs believed, 3 months prior, that they would never be the type to have an affair. | |
| ▲ | jltsiren 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It could be a matter of personality. Some people are happy with what they have, while others are fundamentally unhappy. Unusually successful people tend to be of the latter type. | |
| ▲ | ip26 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not a forgone conclusion, but from a defensive perspective the threat model is more sophisticated than you're assuming. |
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| ▲ | yubblegum 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > They are going to study you for years. Lol. Jensen Hueng's case was likely figured out in a smoke filled room somewhere in the bowels of some intelligence agency in China, agents passing around pictures of Jensen while puffing on cigarettes. One them tosses a picture on the table and just says 'he always wears that leather jacket'. The others nod, and one them sucks in the air while shaking the ashes into an ashtray, 'We have a few candidates in mind'. |
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| ▲ | xboxnolifes 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| All of this makes sense assuming you aren't married. An affair is still an affair. If it was just about finding the perfect partner, he should have gotten a divorce first. |
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| ▲ | tauwauwau 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sure, so its a given that they will fall to such tricks? If that's the case, may be don't develop a one person cult of personality and power. They're paid enough to look out for precisely for these things so that they don't make mistakes that'll ruin 100s of people's lives, yet they don't have such concerns when making stupid decisions. He is not designing chips, burning midnight oil on trying to figure out how to dissipate enough heat to get best performance from the chip, the kind of problems that actually are consequential. He is the pizza guy, yet cant do that well. |
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| ▲ | emmelaich an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a -single- man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a -wife- bit on the side" |
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| ▲ | bamboozled 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It would be nice if "the most powerful man on earth" actually had a brain and used it too? |
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| ▲ | greatgib 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| But somehow, it is his company that he brought to that point, and also why would he care for being spied on by a country or another? There is nothing that said that he had to swear fidelity to the US. |
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| ▲ | samus 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Few companies can afford to be disloyal to their government for any reasonable amount of time. Not easy to see in the West because most government are quite closely lobbied, but it's important to be aware of. Nvidia is of strategic importance and has been part of the USA's sanctions regime against its so-called near-peer adversaries for quite some time. |
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| ▲ | kelseyfrog 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > If you are one of the most powerful man on earth So just hire women? Sounds like an incredibly simple solution to being security compromised. |
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| ▲ | cucumber3732842 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The feds tried to disrupt the civil rights movement by faking a bunch of correspondence that made it seem like they were all cheating on their wives. They thought it would work because it worked on the commies in the 30s-50s. It didn't really do shit because their wives all already assumed they were from the get go. There's a lesson in there somewhere. |
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| ▲ | jrflowers 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Normal people just can not imagine how sweet, specially when it has been customised around your needs and desires. “It takes the machinations of an intelligence apparatus more powerful than you can comprehend to make a rich guy cheat on his wife” lmaooo https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/49712639/49ers-owner-jed... |
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| ▲ | giancarlostoro 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Makes you wonder if this is why Elon just doesn’t stay attached to one person. But another reason why as someone of such a high caliber you should never be alone with other women. Always have a bodyguard or something, surely you can afford someone… |
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| ▲ | andsoitis 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > But another reason why as someone of such a high caliber you should never be alone with other women. That would preclude having a meeting with a female unless there's a bodyguard but not need one when you're meeting with a guy? That would be quite weird. Just keep your dick in your pants. | | | |
| ▲ | rubyfan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | CEOs are not “high caliber” people. | |
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| ▲ | c0nducktr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd wager this is very low on the list of reasons Elon doesn't stay attached to one person lol | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is likely a reason that they use escort services (like those provided by a certain "hung" pimp), and they tend to marry very high-profile folks. It's not about having a "trophy spouse," but having someone that can't really leverage you. | |
| ▲ | InsidiousWombat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well if he as unlikeable in person as he seems on any media he's on, I'm not really surprised | |
| ▲ | lukan 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "you should never be alone with other women. Always have a bodyguard or something" I mean, each to his own, but there are times when I would not want a bodyguard involved. | |
| ▲ | cozzyd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | ok, Mike Pence. |
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| ▲ | corndoge 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Or the woman was in fact not a spy and that's the story to get this sympathetic reaction. we will never know |
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| ▲ | thatsabadlook 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I doubt this was even that sophisticated. These types of people live on deception and extracting benefits for themselves. Pretty woman walks up of course it's theirs for the taking. My God hasn't musk been paying women to birth his children? These people are more or less ill. That's why they are CEOs at high power companies. |