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▲ martythemaniak an hour ago

Not crazy at all. Tesla gave up being a car company a few years ago, but there's lot of inertia and the 3 and Y are still competitive products in the marketplace.

▲slowin an hour ago | parent [-]

Crazy that they have a $1.4T market cap while having given up their entire business (which was never worth a fraction of that anyway).

▲buran77 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Their charging network and carbon credits revenue were probably the more valuable parts of the company. Tesla's current promise and foundation for that valuation is that they'll deliver fully autonomous driving.

But Musk has enough avenues to spin things left and right and bury any losses in the process his DOGE assault helped a lot bury some things already) so he'll do that. He's a showman and he'll manage to steal the show for as long as it takes.

▲judge2020 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the market is mainly banking on Robotaxi being nationwide in 5 years, and Optimus being ready in 10.

For robotaxi, the last 2 years has shown us that FSD 14 has solved the really hard parts of autonomy, so the next logical step is some percentage of people deciding not to own their next car and instead only getting around by Robotaxi.

This is not a bad play by the market. They're poised to redirect a large amount of the existing cash that people are currently paying to (A) own a car, (B) pay interest on the loan, and (C) pay for car insurance. And C does not carry meaningful risk as autonomous vehicles are de-facto safer drivers.

Then the market is kind of putting their faith in giving Tesla 10 years to apply the same playbook to humanoid robots and all of the jobs that that _could_ replace (remains to be seen how capable they can actually make it and what the economics will look like).

▲gordon_freeman 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Waymo is far ahead of them in execution and actually getting people around in major cities. Tesla Robotaxi is still just a concept.

▲lotsofpulp 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://www.tesla.com/robotaxi

>Our fleet of Model Y and Cybercab vehicles offers autonomous rides in cities across the U.S. You can already hail a car in Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Miami, Orlando and Tampa with more rides arriving in more cities soon.

▲grandpajoey 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They only have ~25 unsupervised rides a day across all markets.

https://autonomixinvestor.com/robotaxi-tracker/

▲santoshalper 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

If you want any kind of good faith information or analysis on Tesla, you're going to need to ignore tesla.com. They are primarily in the business of selling hope and bullshit.

▲hvb2 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Then the market is kind of putting their faith in giving Tesla 10 years to apply the same playbook to humanoid robots and all of the jobs that that _could_ replace

So when I go for a coffee, I don't go to the place where it's a dollar less expensive because it has a robot...

I'm not convinced we wanted to be helped by a robot, even if it does the same thing.

So the economics might be there.... But that's not the whole story, this isn't automating a production line...

▲close04 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The valuation would be realistic only if they were the only ones with a real shot at autonomy or at least a considerable head start, like they did in the EV market. But they don’t.

The real incentive is that Musk won’t let one of his companies “fail”. It will be absorbed into a larger more successful one and keep delivering “investor value”.

▲flyinglizard 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Safer drivers I believe, but how do you get around the uncapped liability the service provider carries if someone gets hurt?

▲dghlsakjg 29 minutes ago | parent [-]

The same way you do it with human drivers is one option. I.e. mandatory liability insurance.