| ▲ | bilekas 3 hours ago |
| Doing ANYTHING on a work issued laptop outside of your role is such a dumb idea for a litany of obvious reasons that I'm genuinely shocked people do it. Let alone participate in interviews for other companies on it. |
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| ▲ | paxy 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| In my last job we used Zoom for interviews. The link we sent would work in any web browser, but if the candidate was signed into a Zoom account on their computer we'd be able to see it. I'd say >70% of them were on their company account. Even worse when you have to do stuff like screenshare or coding. I've had candidates share their screen and have obvious proprietary material in open windows. I've seen countless email inboxes and calendars. I've seen candidates do coding exercises using internal IDEs, dev environments and dev tools. I've had them talk – fully unprompted – about internal tech and unreleased projects. And I'm talking about Google, Meta, Amazon, Coinbase, Uber. At this point I'm convinced that a large chunk of tech interviews are happening just to extract insider info from employees. |
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| ▲ | fusslo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | as a candidate it's pretty tough scheduling interviews past 5pm or on the weekends | | |
| ▲ | Agingcoder 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What’s preventing you from using a personal laptop ? | | |
| ▲ | cricketsandmops 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Being an engineer I am surprised, but for normal staff its very common to not have a personal laptop. The most common request from layoffs or firings in my company has been a request to keep their company laptop | |
| ▲ | dkdbejwi383 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Their current job, presumably | | |
| ▲ | marssaxman 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | How does that prevent you from using your personal laptop for a job interview? It would never occur to me to use an employer's hardware for such a purpose. It seems absurdly lazy, but I know that not everyone's life works like mine, so I would like to understand why this would be a real problem for people. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I had a really bad meeting one day that became the straw that broke the camel's back. When I went back to my desk, I saw an interesting job posting. I immediately fired up the company's copy of Word to draft up a resume, and used the company computer to send the email from my personal account. Less than a month later, I was working for the new company. It was done intentionally. I almost sent the resume via company email, but I really wanted to ensure I could access any response. |
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| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Hi Bob, why are you using your personal laptop at your desk instead of the company's laptop? | | |
| ▲ | paxy 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you are openly interviewing for other jobs from your desk I don't think which laptop you use is going to be anyone's concern. | |
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| ▲ | pjmlp an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Which is why time off exists, at least on countries with civilised labour laws. | | |
| ▲ | paxy an hour ago | parent [-] | | No need to take the day off. It's pretty common to be "sick" when you have an interview. | | |
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| ▲ | jstanley 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| But if he'd done the interview on his personal laptop then he would have had his personal crypto wallet drained instead, seems like he came out ahead this way. |
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| ▲ | gadders 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Working in a financial institution, I was surprised they could do all this. Our work laptops are so locked down (sometimes maybe too locked down) that we'd never be able to download a random .exe I think Binance needs to start having IT Security like a bank as well. |
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| ▲ | cityofdelusion an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It does boggle my mind as well. I’ve only ever worked in high security industries as a developer, and I’ve never had admin access unless I was on hardware deployment. Limited user accounts, Firewall blocks, Active Directory audits, and full file system and network log audits are the name of the game where I have been. Anything external gets flagged quickly by automation and anything severe gets an immediate phone call. Falling for a pen tester phishing more than once, getting your laptop stolen, and so on can get you on the poor performer list. It just seems obvious for critical domains. | |
| ▲ | GoToRO 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Usually it starts with a locked down laptop, then request after request, you get more rights, even admin on the laptop because otherwise you can't do anything as a software developer. | | |
| ▲ | gadders an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Most banks give you a crippled version of Admin rights via a 3rd party tool. If you need more than that, tough/you're doing it wrong. | |
| ▲ | cityofdelusion an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Banks, at least in the U.S., are highly regulated and this would be very abnormal and subject to regulatory non-compliance, especially when the bank crosses into “big bank” territory. This stuff is regularly audited internally and externally. | |
| ▲ | sitkack an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can dev without admin. |
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| ▲ | Caloric3002Swed an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | ah but that is boring, disruptive and too sysadminny. Its like the 90s. Cool companies have macbooks with full local admin. Devs need full access. | |
| ▲ | plagiarist an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Cryptocurrency is like finding out why financial regulations exist speedrun | |
| ▲ | TacticalCoder 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I think Binance needs to start having IT Security like a bank as well. I don't disagree but note that apparently a bank in France, Credit Mutuel (and it's Fortuneo online arm), just got robbed of hundreds of millions of EUR: hackers who have beforehand created accounts on Kraken (a cryptocurrencies exchange) and who then wired millions to different accounts, bought cryptocurrencies, and withdraw the crypto. But the hack was really stealing hundreds of millions from the bank. So not even banks are safe now. |
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| ▲ | HeavenFox 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I do know people who no longer have a personal computer, and use exclusively their work-issued computer. I wonder how common that is. |
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| ▲ | ajb an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Around 2005, my employer at the time did a refresh of our it equipment, replacing all the cheap stuff we had been acquired with. They asked everyone to say if they need a laptop, as desktops were the default at the time. I said I didn't, and was surprised when he turned out that almost everyone else said they did. Most of them didn't really need one, and presumably were planning to use them for personal stuff. The company was a bit salty about this as laptops are more expensive, but they got them. And of course the company befitted, as that was the end of a clear separation between work and home. You have your laptop, you can answer email and attend meetings with people in other time zones. Before, it was easy; work stuff stayed on work computers and those didn't leave the office when you went home. | | |
| ▲ | pjmlp an hour ago | parent [-] | | Here it doesn't matter, the employees aren't required, by law, to answer any of that. |
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| ▲ | pjmlp an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not much around here, while it is tolerated for accessing something over the Web, the cyber security trainings explicitly mention being a possible way for job termination when something goes wrong, after installing anything not cleared by IT. | |
| ▲ | krautsauer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | May be the opposite, but BYOD is a thing and has the same result, security-wise… | | |
| ▲ | sgerenser an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, I almost suspect a lot of these cases are BYOD (like the above commenter who said 70% of the Zoom interviews he hosted showed the candidate using their current company's Zoom account). I just can't imagine there are that many people dumb enough to interview on a "work computer" otherwise. In the world of small or less tech savvy companies, BYOD is pretty common. | |
| ▲ | pjmlp an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Usually BYOD requires IT clearance and installation of the same management software like company devices. |
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| ▲ | 999900000999 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A lot of people just think laptop == laptop. At several companies I’ve seen folks run torrents to watch movies at work. Once I was on a Zoom call, and I noticed music production software on my colleagues computer. When I pointed it out, they responded with something like “ Ohh, my kids make music.” Neat, I guess. |
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| ▲ | GaryBluto an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | >Ohh, my kids make music. It is one thing to do personal things on a work laptop, it is another all together to give your children free reign. Are there no penal measures taken to deter this anymore? | | |
| ▲ | debo_ 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The penal measure is too late, it should have been penally applied before child was conceived. |
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| ▲ | aleph_minus_one 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > A lot of people just think laptop == laptop. We are talking about highly educated people who work in software development (i.e. can assumed to have some minimum viable knowledge about computers), and not about the dumbest imaginable users. | | |
| ▲ | 999900000999 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. -Darth Vader. Being able to make React components does not require you to be smarter than the average person. You also have multiple types of intelligence. I worked with a brilliant intern once. The kid was over 100k in student loan debt and didn’t know the loans can’t get discharged. | | |
| ▲ | draygonia 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They can be discharged if you are determined to be disabled by a doctor and live for 3 years below the poverty income limit. | | |
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| ▲ | pixl97 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | SWE's are the worst about security, I swear most are worse than the average person when it comes to security practices. "Need some new software" = "Download it from some random website" "Software won't run" = "Turn off AV and get it everything permission" "Still won't run" = "run as root" | | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > We are talking about highly educated people That's a bit of charity isn't it? Lot's of people in tech that really not that clever even if they are smart. Also, people in HR aren't as tech savvy. | | | |
| ▲ | koito17 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's an anecdote, but one of my coworkers has Steam installed on his MacBook (of all computers). He is a data scientist. Technically, we're only allowed to install software from an approved list maintained by the IT security team. They clearly aren't enforcing that policy, though. | | |
| ▲ | vkou an hour ago | parent [-] | | Don't worry, they'll enforce it when someone installs something unapproved and it causes a problem. |
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| ▲ | justsomehnguy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Thanks for the laughs. No, 'people who work in software development' != 'highly educated people' and those both != 'understand how computers work'. | |
| ▲ | vkou an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > highly educated people who work in software development > dumbest imaginable users. They are often one and the same. |
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| ▲ | dewey 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sure, but that's not really going to protect you. Could easily be that you are the interviewer and the interviewee asks you to click on sketchy link, or it could easily just be a call with a fake supplier or sales representative. It maybe makes it a little bit harder, but there's still many ways for social engineering to land something on work computers. |
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| ▲ | AlexITC 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This! I don't know how people are ok using their personal accounts on work-laptops full of spyware. |
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| ▲ | margalabargala an hour ago | parent [-] | | I've worked for a couple companies whose stance on me having a linux work laptop was "fine, but you have to support yourself". So despite it being a "company" computer I personally installed the blank SSD and installed Arch on it and did not install any company spyware. I was perfectly comfortable also having Steam installed so I could entertain myself on the plane on business trips. I knew everything installed and spyware wasn't on the list. When I work at companies that have MDM set up on my computer, I don't do that. |
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| ▲ | markus_zhang 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I agree with the principle but I think reading HN is fine... |
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| ▲ | genidoi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's dumb ideas all the way down, starting with the fact that this work laptop had a direct path to a multi-billion dollar signing environment. |
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| ▲ | podocarp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's convenient. I'm not lugging two laptops around! |
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| ▲ | xyzsparetimexyz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well so-rry but if you give me a macbook powerful enough to play cyberpunk 2077 on it, that's what I'm gonna do. |
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| ▲ | dayvid 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Interviewing for another company on your work laptop is levels of idgaf I can't achieve |
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| ▲ | jimmydoe 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| lol maybe the employees wanted the company to see it. |