There is literally not one aspect of the universe that is provably finite. Not in any direction, not at any scale, not in any way you can think to look at it.

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throw-qqqqq 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe I misunderstand you, but I don’t think I agree with that.

E.g. the observable universe is finite. Its observable age is finite. The number of known elementary particle types is finite. The number of particles within the observable universe is finite (according to the current understanding). Etc.

There are many examples.

Do we disagree on this, or am I perhaps misunderstanding your position here?

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worried_individ 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

besides the other points raised, even within the observable universe there are some assumed infinities as well as things that might be infinite, might not be.

e.g. time and space likely aren't quantized, you have an infinite amount of points in between any two arbitrary points in spacetime. don't mention planck scale black holes, it's a meme and even most phycisists who like to cite it haven't actually thought about it for more than 5 minutes.

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tancop 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Key word is provably. We can assume the universe is finite because we don't have evidence against it, but no one knows if it's possible to prove or reject that for good.

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freehorse 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Infinity is an abstraction. The universe cannot be "infinite" in the mathematical sense, as the mathematical infinity is an abstraction. The only meaningful question is "is mathematical infinity required to produce good models of the universe/physics?" and the answer so far is "no". We use infinity because it is convenient, but it is not really needed.

There is no reason to think that "infinity" will be essential to describing the universe any more than any other possible abstraction that we have not so far constructed.

	▲	pipe2devnull 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Why can the universe not be infinite and go absolutely indefinitely in every direction?
	▲	adwn an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> The universe cannot be "infinite" in the mathematical sense Why not? An infinitely large universe goes against our intuitions, but our intuitions were formed by the experience of living on a finite planet and have no bearing on what's true on a galactic scale – just like they have no bearing on what's true at the quantum scale. There is no objective reason to assume that the universe isn't infinite.

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Xirdus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Observable universe is just the part of the universe from where light had time to hit the Earth already. It is growing pretty much at the speed of light, not because of physical changes to the space-time, but because the light from farther away finally arrived. So while it's definitely finite, I wouldn't say it disproves the claim that nothing about the universe is known to be finite.

	▲	smallerize 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Because of inflation, there is a distance at which the objects not already in our light cone are moving away faster than the speed of light. So the amount of stuff that we will be able to observe is limited.
	▲	Hendrikto 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> It is growing pretty much at the speed of light The observable universe is growing much faster than that, because space itself is expanding.

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Sharlin 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And not one aspect that’s provably infinite, either, sl I don’t think your argument is interesting.

There are many things about the universe, though, that are finite to the best of our understanding. As in, any infinities that crop up in our models are properly understood to be cases where the models are wrong or incomplete.

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lioeters 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> There is literally not one aspect of the universe that is provably finite.

Or provably infinite.

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youareundersell 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have the exact opposite experience. There nothing I can think of that is infinite in nature. Not only is it impossible to prove infinity empirically ("in the universe"; the only thing that actually matters) but there are exactly zero actual things with an infinite nature of any kind that I can think of. It's a useful imaginary construct that makes fancy math work, that's all.

	▲	simiones 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		This isn't really true. For example, the special theory of relativity doesn't work if space-time has any "lowest scale" (i.e. if the distance between any two events can be expressed as n * min_dist, where n is an integer and min_dist is a constant that has the same value for all observers), it you can't infinitely sub-divide it, since then lengths couldn't contract the way that the Lorrentz transforms predicts. Lots of math in QM and QFT also requires space and time to be continuous for other reasons as well. Also, none of our current laws put any kind of limit on the life span of the Universe as a whole, so space-time is also infinitely increasing, even if heat death or big crunch models are correct. Of course, none of this is provable per se - it is fundamentally impossible to run an experiment in finite time that proves whether something is finite or infinite. It could be that SR and QFT are wrong in their continuous space assumptions, but only in ways that are too subtle to measure. Still, as it stands, we don't have any theory of how the world works which allows for a discrete space-time, even as an approximation - we need space-time to be continuous for our current theories to work at all.
	▲	adwn 31 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> there are exactly zero actual things with an infinite nature of any kind that I can think of That's because your imagination is bounded by being a monkey that has spent its entire life in a finite environment — no offense. The universe, however, isn't bounded the limits of our imagination or intuition.

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mr_mitm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On the other hand, every single observation anyone has ever made was a finite value of something.

Even when things are potentially infinite, there seems to be a conspiracy of the universe to make it finite. The size of space may be infinite, but due to a finite speed of light and the finite age of the universe we can only ever observe a finite slice. When attempting to zoom in to an infinite degree onto supposedly point-like particles, quantum mechanics makes everything fuzzy and finite again. Black holes appear to have infinite curvature at the center, but it's unobservable due to the event horizon.

This principle seems so natural that we even apply it in advance: In quantum field theory, there are infinities in the equations when done naively, which we deem so unnatural that we apply funny tricks which make mathematicians cringe, but they miraculously work out so well that we get theory and experiments to agree to an astonishing degree.

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shiandow 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Except you I suppose.

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dist-epoch 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet the vast majority of physicists treat infinity in the equations as a sign of them being incomplete, and dismiss the possibility of the universe being infinite in any way

I would like to point out that there is also no proof of God not existing either