| ▲ | bmau5 7 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Can anyone provide an argument for tokenized stocks, beyond just meme-coins for companies? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | koolba 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
So that people with off the books defi assets can diversify their holdings as if they bought into the non-defi world, without any of those pesky taxes or KYC requirements. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | chrisco255 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
24/7 liquidity and near instant settlement, easier access for international investors, and ability to plug token into other apps and products onchain like Aave lending, providing liquidity, etc. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | mshish 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
My understanding is that it's possible there will be / is a country that you don't have low cost or easy access to US stocks, but can have access to tokenized stocks. If Coinbase and others are smart, they'll collect the KYC info the US requires, regardless of where the person is in the world. In fact, that seems like the other part of this line in the article: "provided the tokens carry the same rights and privileges as the underlying shares, including dividends and voting rights." | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | procaryote 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It sounds enough like real investing that it might make some more people put real money into crypto, while still being unregulated and vague enough that you can outright steal the money or take risks a regulated market wouldn't allow Or you meant an argument for the person putting their money into it? No idea. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jeroenhd 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Like all cryptocurrency, it's optimised for evading laws and law enforcement. Fraud, evading sanctions, doing things with fake stock that would be prosecuted by financial watchdogs if it were real stock, grifting people into thinking they're buying real stocks, the list goes on. I suppose it also allows for trading stock without paying brokerage fees (though you need to pay the network in other ways) and it permits trading for people who cannot get access to dollars or the market of origin because of local laws and/or corruption. Honestly, it's kind of genius. All of the tools that caused the Great Depression combined with cryptocurrency grifting. Someone will make a lot of money off this. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jerf 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Stocks are already tokens. "Tokenizing" stocks makes no sense, if one assumes quite reasonably that "tokenization" involves giving token-ness to something that was not already a token. What it is is wrapping what is already a token in another token, mostly so the second token can get around the limitations of the first. But some of those limitations are incidental and can be eliminated at any time by the underlying token provider, mostly because nothing stops a conventional stock market from being tradeable 24/7. They already are if you're in the club anyhow, per all the "aftermarket" and "pre-market" trading you hear about around quarterly release times. The rest of the limitations are regulatory, and if the wrapping token can get access to regulatory approval to do their thing, so can the stocks. The whole thing feels skeevy as all get out to me. It feels like someone telling me that they'll be happy to hold my mortgage between me and the current holder. There is no good reason for that. Frankly there is already a disturbing amount of indirection in the way you don't actually own the stocks you think you do, but they're held on behalf of you on behalf of your broker at the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation. Adding another layer of indirection makes me worry about the motives of the people who are very excited about being that layer. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It's a growth play for financial services to find trading volume they otherwise cannot create. Young retail has no cashflow to speak of, so Coinbase and Robinhood target them for the house rake of trading meme stocks and crypto. The rest is institutional, broker dealer, traditional retail brokerages, etc but there's only so much revenue to be had moving existing securities around amongst those who can obtain exposure to them, managing pensions and 401ks, etc. ~93% of equities are held by the top ~10% of US households, for example. Lots of cost inefficiency to squeeze out, but everyone is incentivized to not cannibalize other participants or their own business. "Its a big club and you're not in it" and "If you're playing a poker game and you look around the table and and can't tell who the sucker is, it's you." If I recall, the most optimal equities market operating model is a short auction window at the open and the close to process order books, but again, no appetite for efficiency over revenue, I'll have to find the paper. (thoughts and opinions always my own) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | lifestyleguru 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I guess the target audience are countries where capital gains on stocks are high-to-ridiculous but simultaneously capital gains on crypto are low for whatever reason or the tax free amount on crypto gains is relatively high. Germany comes to my mind as an example. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | mono442 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
it's for people who live in countries with capital controls and don't have access to normal securities accounts | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | nailer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
- 24 x 7 trading is open to retail (no more waking up finding out the market moved out of hours and your stop loss didn't execute because the price moved 'though' it) - Fractionalization (you can buy $12 worth of NVDA easily) - Fundraising (you can raise public money without needing the large caps of traditional public markets) - Distribution - smart people that know math publish a whitepaper and get investors into their strategy immediately rather than waiting for a hedge fund or bank to get them to market. - Composability - eg, I invested in an app that let's people use the HNWI 'buy/borrow/die' technique as a wealth building strategy - talk into any shop, buy somethng, pay using as small loan taken out of your share holdings. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | colechristensen 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Blockchain makes a ton of sense as a replacement for the NSCC which is the entity that actually keeps track of the ledger for ownership. But again whenever I say things like that the people that come out of the woodwork are crypto bros vs skeptics which this isn't about the cyberpunk antigovernment anonymous future but just a better cryptographically proven multiparty database. I would probably make trade settlement faster and lower overhead costs. Clearing equities trades with a blockchain between brokers would be beneficial in plenty of ways that are really only all that interesting to very large banks and broker services companies. (like Citadel for example) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_Trust_%26_Clearing_... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||