| ▲ | estearum 7 hours ago |
| What an insane set of requirements for a frontier technology and your excitement by it. |
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| ▲ | dack 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| i think he's bummed out that a cool thing has shipped but:
1. he doesn't get any information about how it works
2. he doesn't get to use it sure, it's still a cool accomplishment but i can understand being a little bit frustrated / not as excited for such an announcement. |
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| ▲ | estearum 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most cutting edge technologies through history have been 1) somewhat opaque and 2) narrow/exclusive in their deployment. Historically speaking, that's virtually synonymous with "cutting edge technology". Whining that I, a random Internet user with limited budget, usecases that the researchers don't care about, and no connection to the researchers, don't get technical details (??) or access (??) on day one is just profoundly goofy shit. Obviously being able to use these things right away would be more exciting. But to be unable to get excited by advancements we can't immediately use is... quite entitled. | | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most cutting edge technologies through history did not have near-peer widely-deployed open competitors. This technology does. | |
| ▲ | tweetle_beetle 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The sole purpose of a press release is to generate positive interest. It is not entitled for the reader to expect the time they have invested in reading it to be worthwhile. | | |
| ▲ | estearum 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Press release announcing a new car: > erhmygord I can't even buy this car right this second for nearly nothing and use it to drive a thousand miles per hour through a kindergarten parking lot?!?! | | |
| ▲ | aleqs 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you mean that this press release amounts to the AI equivalent of the latest Tesla Roadster 'release'... then I guess you're kinda right |
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| ▲ | travisgriggs 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This. And I wish I had thought to grab that nick years ago… When tweetles battle beetles… AND… |
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| ▲ | seanhunter 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s not an exciting advancement if it’s just the AI equivalent of google wave. It’s totally reasonable to be skeptical of marketing and want to try something for yourself. | | |
| ▲ | adamrezich 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Absolutely no need to slander Google Wave like that. | | | |
| ▲ | jcelerier 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | .. what was wrong with google wave? I kinda miss it | |
| ▲ | estearum 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Fake hacker thinking Google Wave wasn't released to the public lol | | |
| ▲ | seanhunter 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Google wave was eventually released to the public but initially it required an invitation. So if you had a friend at google you could get in but if not you were out of luck. This killed early momentum and when they eventually opened up the product was dead on arrival. |
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| ▲ | kouteiheika 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > But to be unable to get excited by advancements we can't immediately use is... quite entitled. Well, I didn't go knocking on Google's door asking them to give me access to their fancy models. It's them who came up to us saying "hey, look at the amazing model we have here; too bad we won't tell you anything about how it works nor even let you access it". Entitled you say? Then maybe don't dangle a carrot right before my face, and then complain that I would like to eat it? | | |
| ▲ | estearum 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then don't click on the link homie "Don't talk publicly about things I personally cannot use right now" is peak entitlement, yes. | | |
| ▲ | kouteiheika 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > "Don't talk publicly about things I personally cannot use right now" is peak entitlement, yes. I never said anything like this? My point wasn't that "I can't use it, therefore it's bad"; my point was that as-is there's pretty much nothing exciting about this. Just because this exists inside Google doesn't really mean or do anything; it doesn't meaningfully advance the state-of-art precisely because nothing about this is public. Do you remember Sora[1]? Announced in pretty much exactly the same way -- grandiose webpage with fancy demos, zero technical details, limited availability and then... remind me what happened? Oh, right, they completely shut it down, and in the end it didn't "advance" squat. Might as well just never existed. So remind me why exactly I should be excited about this one here...? [1] -- https://openai.com/index/sora/ |
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| ▲ | aleqs 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In order to claim there is any 'advancement' here requires a baseline of openness which is not met here. | |
| ▲ | visarga 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > is just profoundly goofy shit Why not expect it? It's what most model releases do. |
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| ▲ | taytus 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, I read it as: " Cool! Who cares? " Maybe because that's how I felt |
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| ▲ | recursive 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You must have a very narrow conception of sanity. |
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| ▲ | I-M-S 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The future is coming by appointment only. |
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| ▲ | zhengyi13 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think this might be what Gibson meant by "... it's just not evenly distributed" |
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| ▲ | paganel 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > frontier technology It's just a lame gimmick, this is not 2024 anymore, people have started to get sick of this AI thingie, especially when it comes to video/image generation. That Simon guy with his pelican is the exception that can only be seen on tech forums like this one. As to why US (and probably also some Chinese) companies have started pouring hundreds of billions into AI-image generation is beyond my comprehension, but on the other hand I'm no economic genius. |
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| ▲ | aleqs 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not insane at all, completely sensical. |
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| ▲ | Der_Einzige 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No it’s not insane. |
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| ▲ | tourmalinetaco 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If I can’t realistically use it then I don’t care, especially when there’s no independent proof yet it works this well, given a cursory glance. If it trickles down into future developments I can use then cool, but it likely won’t because they want a moat. You don’t have to shield the poor defenseless multi-billion dollar megacorp from the genuine apathy they inspire. If this is the best “frontier” they can achieve, then it’s no wonder they haven’t done anything groundbreaking in the space yet that produces practical results. |
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| ▲ | echelon 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's another closed world model. Only open weights matter. We should distill everything else we can into open weights. These are exciting for robotics and industrial perhaps, but they have no consumer use case until the lid is blown off and consumers can do whatever they want with them. So much societal progress is behind held up because the leading labs want to keep a stranglehold on the tech. Imagine if every PhD or hacker had access to the raw weights. |
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| ▲ | estearum 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The general history of new technologies is that they're available for a narrow set of circumstances and then they proliferate. Can't believe that needs to be said on "hackernews" | | |
| ▲ | amlib 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Except that most technology was built in a way that didn't require all of the humanity knowledge and labor to be sequestered and then regurgitated back as slop that we need to pay as a subscription from what essentially is a rent seeking mafia. | |
| ▲ | WarmWash 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Default internet culture is "I am entitled to everything digital, in full, for free". Which stems from the fact that most people have never created or contributed anything meaningful. | | |
| ▲ | echelon 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The internet has become a privacy and rent seeking hell hole. It used to be a lot different. Look at companies trying to build more things that pull value into their private cloud offerings. |
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| ▲ | aleqs 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The only one pretending this is something that needs to be said, for whatever reason, is you. |
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| ▲ | aleqs 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | amen |
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| ▲ | alex_sf 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I mean this doesn't seem very insane? Basic info about the model, the ability to actually use it. Google in particular is awful about getting access to their models from the UX side: I don't even bother trying them out unless it's via openrouter. |
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| ▲ | lukan 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I want that too, including the weights and training material. But I am still exited by what one could potentially do with it, by looking at the prompts and generated videos, even if it is cherry picked. |
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