| ▲ | epistasis 7 hours ago |
| I'm loving my M1 Macbook Air still, and only a few weeks away from six years of use Sometimes it lags a bit when I'm running a macOS VM, and all the coding agent VMs, so I'm kind of interested in going to 32GB of RAM, but honestly this computer is still faster than any of my laptops that came before, even with the visual atrocity of Liquid Glass. I'll go and look at this new box, drool a little, and realize that I'd get more personal utility from donating $3k (or whatever the trade in delta is) to a charity than upgrading my computer. |
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| ▲ | markstos 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| My son's M1 Air CPU died suddenly. Maybe it was a thermal death from overheating. Not sure. But all the data on it was lost because the storage is soldered on. PSA to make sure devices with non-removable storage are backed up! (We replaced it with a Framework... with removable storage.) |
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| ▲ | tynorf 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > PSA to make sure devices with non-removable storage are backed up! Really this should be devices full stop. Also, "backed up" should include no fewer than two backups on different media and in different physical locations e.g. Time Machine to an external SSD _plus_ continuous cloud backup. | |
| ▲ | Schiendelman 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Isn't icloud backup on by default?? | | |
| ▲ | simonh 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Kind of, but without a sub you only get a trivial amount of storage. |
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| ▲ | dzhiurgis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Can't a decent shop desolder it tho? | | |
| ▲ | judge2020 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's a big ask. Probably only work the few hundred it'd take to do that, then get the data off it, if you had some super important documents // crypto wallet. | |
| ▲ | bdavbdav 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Key is held on a separate chip unfortunately |
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| ▲ | samatman 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a not-very-large subset of the ways you can permanently lose data which exists in only one copy. Have a Time Machine. No step two. > We replaced it with a Framework... with removable storage. Cool. How are you backing it up? |
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| ▲ | thenthenthen 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I got a second hand M1 air like two years ago for 200usd with 1tb hdd and 16gb ram. I got it after my intel Air died after about..12 years? (Edit: the ssd died, which is removable… but literally had a plane to catch). All my pros have died within a few years. Air all the way. Never looking back. |
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| ▲ | giwook 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > All of my pros have died within a few years What are you doing to them? I still have MBPs from 2015 and 2018 that have not 'died'. | | |
| ▲ | thenthenthen 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Just use. There were two models that had issues with the gpu desoldering, 2012 and 2015 iirc? I was lucky enough to have them. I put the mobos in the oven (180deg for seven minutes?) and that would fix it. For about a month… and then 2 weeks.. and then… I actually have a 2018 that I borrowed from a friend after my 2013 Air ssd gave up, it is still working I think, but its twice as slow, at least as my Air was. Its so weird. The Air stayed ‘snappy’ even after my friends Pro’s would become too sluggish. Maybe because I never update ;) | | | |
| ▲ | wilkystyle 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Similar experience. In active use in my house: 2012 MacBook Pro
2015 MacBook Pro
2019 MacBook Air
2020 M1 MacBook Pro
The longevity is incredible. | | |
| ▲ | simonh 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | My first gen 5k iMac (2014) is our kitchen machine these days. Still a joy to use. The final gen (2020) model is still my main machine. I almost wish one of them would konk out so I can get an M series, but then I wouldn’t be on a 5k iMac anymore, which would suck. Love these machines. |
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| ▲ | evantbyrne 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The old airs were legendary. My 2012 still runs just fine despite being beaten to hell. Would still be a great dev machine for non-GPU workloads if it weren't for a lack of OS updates. Have been very happy with my M1 Pro as well though. | | |
| ▲ | monegator 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | the 2012 was a really solid generation (the 2010 as well. i still have both, not running osx anymore of course) | |
| ▲ | reaperducer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Another 2012 Air user here. The battery doesn't hold a charge anymore, but as long as it's plugged in, it keeps chugging along. | | |
| ▲ | awad 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Wow turns out there's a whole community of us! Same boat. I usually recycle, hand me down, trade-in but have really had a hard time letting that little one go. |
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| ▲ | TacticalCoder 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The old airs were legendary. You gotta be kidding me. The old M1 Air had the "bendgate" where several people, me included, saw their screen die overnight for no reason. Tens and tens of pages of people complaining about it only to be with "you're holding it wrong" answers. Insanity. I think Apple fixed that mess with the gen after that one. | | |
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| ▲ | epistasis 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I wonder if this is from not trying to get maximum performance, and instead focusing on efficiency? But I've noticed this too. I definitely prefer the Air form factor over larger models as the primary benefit, but the durability seems to be a big benefit too. Fewer ports, thinner shell that seals tighter and can't flex as much due to the curved metal instead of flat surfaces... everything about it just seems like a better design. | | |
| ▲ | thenthenthen 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah the formfactor, the noise, the heat… even the performance seems better except for what, benchmarks..? | | |
| ▲ | asdff 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | No fans though. I like being able to crank them full blast. I'm not sure this pro would ever actually run the fans all out with my usage with the existing fan curve. Apple always favors it running quiet and hot, but I don't mind loud and prefer cool palms. I grew up with far more noisy rigs. |
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| ▲ | JMiao 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | incredible deal |
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| ▲ | brandonpelfrey 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I bought my M1 Pro the week it came out and it was unlike any computer I ever had, expectations, compute, battery life especially. It was just a joy to use and not worry about chargers. I'm so glad they went this path. |
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| ▲ | freakynit 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I freaking hate liquid-glass UI Apple has "forced" onto us. No freaking way to disable it. I hate it so much. |
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| ▲ | woah 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Been on HN for many years now, and the one thing that never changes is people posting angrily about small UI changes. It makes me wonder- if things have only ever gotten worse, what was the peak UI? MS DOS? | | |
| ▲ | ericd 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'd say Snow Leopard was peak. | |
| ▲ | linguae 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | On the Windows side, Windows 2000 and XP/Vista/7’s Classic mode, though Aero was quite nice. I’m not a fan of the interfaces from 8 onward, and I didn’t like Luna in XP. On the Mac side, it’s a toss up between the platinum interface of Mac OS 8/9 and Mac OS X Tiger. With that said, I have a work-issued MacBook Pro running Golden Gate as my daily driver, and Liquid Glass is alright. It’s not what I’d prefer if I had a choice, but it’s not a dramatic departure from previous versions of macOS. A Cheetah or Puma Mac OS X user should be able to navigate Golden Gate with ease, mostly. | |
| ▲ | larsmaxfield 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Liquid Glass was not a "small UI change". It disrupted many accessibility aspects of macOS, so much so that Apple toned down quite a few aspects of the design in subsequent updates, even adding a slider to reduce the effect. [1] The quantity of requests for how to disable Liquid Glass on Apple Discussions is staggering. [2] [1]https://www.macrumors.com/2026/06/09/macos-golden-gate-liqui... [2]https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256227663 | |
| ▲ | asdff 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think the biggest thing isn't really whatever it is but the act of changing and forcing everyone to change into the new ui that is the disruptive part. It is a combination of window dressing changing but also sometimes functions breaking. It is ironic because software written for developers prides itself generally on maintaining compatibility with say depreciated flags, or if things will be depreciated plenty of notice ahead of time. But that only holds for cli software. GUI software and the OS that all goes out the window. Stuff breaks, workflows break, you have no recourse and in fact they might make it genuinely difficult to go back to an older version. Like this part of it is the shitty part. Never mind how it happens to look. It is the forcing effect. | | |
| ▲ | setr 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think it’s also because these UI changes are always designed to improve first-impression and first-usage. They are outright hostile to anyone who wants to go fast and get faster — the power user. At minimum the re-arrangement resets any gains you had, and at maximum its irrecoverable because the UI is now fundamentally designed to slow you down. This eventually becomes awkwardly precise complaints about information density and general change; but the underlying issue is I want to go fast and the system says no | | |
| ▲ | ericd 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think the only real solution to this is to switch to an OS with a backing org that has optimization for power users as a first-class goal. I've been liking Omarchy and NixOS for that. I say this as a Mac user since 1989. |
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| ▲ | rzzzt 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Windows 2000 / XP in classic mode / XP / Vista / 7. For OSX I'd say High Sierra to Catalina. | | |
| ▲ | al_borland 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’d go with Tiger (10.4) for peak OS X, personally. | | |
| ▲ | asdff 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Leopard was better because it introduced spaces. Honestly I think that whole concept (I know windows has something analogous now) was the biggest step change in OS functionality I've seen in my life having started on windows 95. | | |
| ▲ | al_borland 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I never used Spaces much. Apple was actually last to the party on that. Linux had virtual desktops for years at that point, and Windows had them as well through Microsoft PowerToys. I’m pretty sure I was running it on Windows 2000. | |
| ▲ | ant6n 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The problem is that window management is so atrocious in Mac OS that using multiple desktops is just asking for trouble. Like of you close one window of some software, it will jump to some random other window of the same software on some other desktop. In the end you’ll spend a significant amount of your time trying to “get back” to where you just where (that alt-tab, a possible savior for this in all other OSs, doesn’t work at all on Mac just adds to the UX mess) | | |
| ▲ | asdff 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ehh I'm not to caught up with window management on macos. Bunch of shells open I might use tmux. But otherwise I just keep things in piles organized in spaces, and use expose all to get to whatever I need in the pile. It works much like the piles on my desk in real life so I'm comfortable with it. But it was better in leopard when it was a grid of spaces vs a line of spaces. Less rigidity was nice. | | |
| ▲ | ant6n a few seconds ago | parent [-] | | But even then. If you close a terminal, it'll jump to some random terminal on another desktop. It just doesn't make any sense. |
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| ▲ | oofabz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Mac OS 7.6.1 was peak Apple | |
| ▲ | 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | epistasis 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Small improvements don't get much accolades. And for the most part, the UX is so good that most changes tend to be neutral or for the worse. And when you're really attached to something and there's on an unnecessary change, it feels almost like betrayal! I, for one, prefer Apple products because they sweat the small stuff more than the other options, and when they have put in effort to make things worse it's kind of infuriating. I do a bit of desktop Linux work too, and it's OK, but hard to complain when it's all open source volunteer work! Windows is so terrible that I wouldn't even know where to start. What's the point? There's nobody at Microsoft that even gives a damn. | |
| ▲ | cmoski 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No, it was Windows 3.11 | |
| ▲ | pebble 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Small? |
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| ▲ | randomblock1 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's a slider to reduce the liquidity | |
| ▲ | dzhiurgis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Whats so forced on you? I'm on still on Sequoia and no one forced me to update to latest OS. Everything still works and I get security updates. | | |
| ▲ | zerd an hour ago | parent [-] | | They're going to force us soon. When getting a new device I don't think you can install an older version either. |
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| ▲ | bluecalm 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The way things are going you will be able to run your favorite flavor of Linux on those pretty soon.
It will be the best of both worlds: the best hardware and a good OS. Hopefully Apple doesn't take steps to block it. | |
| ▲ | BugsJustFindMe 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > No freaking way to disable it. Um. https://imgur.com/a/ydt3MN5 | | |
| ▲ | tedd4u 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Liquid Glass is more than just the transparency. There are many other changes that cannot be disabled that way. Not to mention the overall lag compared to Sequoia (I skipped Tahoe entirely so I had a direct knife-edge transition). 27 is less bad than 26 but Liquid Glass doesn't make anything better than prior UI and makes several things worse, even if you turn down the transparency. | | |
| ▲ | ndiddy 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I imagine that the UI changes since Sequoia regarding the giant buttons and whitespace are because Apple plans to release a touchscreen laptop (most rumors say it will be announced tomorrow) so they've decided to make the UI touch friendly at the expense of bloating the UI for everyone who doesn't have a touchscreen. Microsoft made this same decision with the Windows releases after 7. | | |
| ▲ | LoganDark 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The rumors also said it would be announced today, so we'll just have to see. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, after all. |
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