| ▲ | newsclues 4 hours ago |
| The cost of hardware may be what kills my local Jellyfin install. Physical media is being done away with, both discs and players. Seems like streaming is the future we are going to be fed. |
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| ▲ | stevekemp an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| I've been buying used DVDs from local charity shops (here in Finland) for the past couple of years. I've noticed that there are fewer new releases, but apparently people are increasingly buying physical media (that statistic might be squewed by counting vinyl releases). But that said most of the films/TV I watch is old stuff anyway, and every time I visit a large store I walk away with 5+ disks. Just yesterday I bought a physical copy of Fight Club for €1, alongside Trainspotting, Blade, and a boxed set of black and white St Trinian's movies. Definitely enough media to keep me entertained for the next week or two. |
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| ▲ | ndriscoll 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Aren't even the "high quality" 4k streams like 15GB/movie? So at $20/TB that's ~$0.30/movie at streaming quality? And you could still have probably better than DVD quality that people used to pay $20 for for like ~2GB, or $0.04. |
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| ▲ | Tallain 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A terabyte is no longer $20, unfortunately. | | |
| ▲ | ndriscoll 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There's an 18 TB refurb from serverpartdeals right now. Or there are a bunch of smaller new ones in the $20s on Amazon. The analysis doesn't really change even if you're looking at e.g. $30/TB. It's still hundreds or thousands of items for a year of subscription cost; more than you could reasonably watch. Even going full 8 TB SSDs at $150/TB is still thrift store cost per movie when you amortize it ($2.25 at 15GB, or $0.30 at 2GB). Of course then as another comment here said, you're more likely to realize you don't actually want any of it. And then when you realize it's not worth pennies to store, you also realize it's not worth your time to watch. | |
| ▲ | Vaushite 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's $30. It used to be $10, now it's $30. It's tripled in price but it's still cheap enough for pirated movies. If that's still too much, get the 1080p version instead. This is about $/TB on bigger drives. If you only want a 1TB drive it'll be more like $50. Don't get an SSD, far too expensive. |
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| ▲ | lkjdsklf an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | no it's not 15Gb/movie A UHD movie with UHD and dolby audio and all that is anywhere from 50 to 70Gb. That's if you rip it straight off the disc. You can shrink it a little by being pickier about which audio tracks you take, but not much. You can do other things to it to make it smaller, but then it's not the equivalent of the physical disc | | |
| ▲ | ndriscoll 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That's a bluray rip. AFAIK every streaming service is way lower bitrate than that, even at maximum quality. |
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| ▲ | gfody 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | perfectly reasonable quality 4k 10-bit hdr x265 is around 1gb/hr - the files I see that are 10-20x larger webrips from streaming networks seem to mostly contain noise and all compress back down to ~1gb/hr after denoising | | |
| ▲ | dns_snek an hour ago | parent [-] | | You might want to check your math again. 1 GB/h is 2.3 mbit/s, if we're being generous. That would be absolutely riddled with compression artifacts unless you're encoding a screensaver. 2 Mb/s is awful for anything with movement, 8 Mb/s is decent enough, 20 Mb/s is very good to my eyes, and 80 Mb/s is nice, clearly better especially in scenes with significant movement, but it's not revolutionary. I don't watch webrips unless there's no other option, it's mostly WEB-DL or bluray rips. |
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| ▲ | 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Transcoding is always the bottleneck with these, right? 720p is good enough for me so... can we all just use that and give up on transcoding? |
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| ▲ | somehnguy 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most even remotely modern Intel chips can transcode a few 4K streams without breaking a sweat due to the integrated graphics/QuickSync. I purchased one of those $150 tiny machines on Amazon specifically for the Intel integrated graphics so my Plex server can transcode easily. All media is another one of my servers, shared via NFS. | |
| ▲ | dylan604 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you wanted to skip a step, you could find a copy someone else has already transcoded for the physical media in your possession. I'm not suggesting anything, just pointing out what one could do. | | |
| ▲ | Vaushite 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can also pre-transcode your own media and even delete the originals if you want. |
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| ▲ | caconym_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You generally don't need to do any transcoding if you're only streaming to devices on your local network. I have an old 1060 set up for my Jellyfin server but it pretty much never gets used. | |
| ▲ | vel0city 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Even cheap old desktop intel i5's are likely to have QuickSync, which can be pretty effective at transcoding video. |
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| ▲ | tamimio 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What cost?! I have jelly installed on an old optiplex I got for around $20, i7 16ram (it’s actually proxmox, that would be too much for jelly alone) |
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| ▲ | Yokolos 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 4TB HDD is now close to 200 Euros. What do you mean "what cost"? | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How many streaming platforms do you pay for each month? The cost of that drive is probably 2-3 months worth of streaming rental payments. | | |
| ▲ | pdpi 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You still need to add to that the cost of the films/series themselves. (You can choose not to and sail the seas instead, of course, but then it's no longer an equivalent exchange). | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, yes, but we've already established that entertainment is an ongoing expense. You just have to decide to spend that outgo in a different manner than giving it to the streamers. You start with a storage pool and way to play its contents back, and then you start to populate that storage pool. I have not once suggested getting entertainment for free. I have only suggested there are other ways of being entertained than by the streamers with a large portion of the same content. |
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| ▲ | SlimyHog 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You don't have to store the media indefinitely |
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| ▲ | chimeracoder 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Have you looked at storage prices recently? | | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Seriously I can’t even get my refurb enterprise drives for reasonable prices anymore. Used to pay like $150 for 14TB ultrastars now it’s like $300 for 12TB exos | | |
| ▲ | bityard an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Last night I found a 3TB external USB 3.0 drive at the bottom of my "computer junk" drawer that I had completely forgotten I owned. It felt like winning the lottery. | |
| ▲ | coldpie 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's ok to delete things. | | | |
| ▲ | Vaushite 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Which is $25 per TB |
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| ▲ | tamimio 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes I am aware, it is why you don’t buy new, there are thousands of used computers out there that I made a side hustle out of buying them and reselling them after some cleaning and fixing, so many I found that’s beyond to list here, but for example I got asus zenbook 14 for $12 because it didn’t boot (which was just a loose connection inside), a macmini m1 for $50, and many other parts and finds. I even have a thinkpad with proxmox and run as a server, uptime now is more than a year. | | |
| ▲ | ron_woods an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm curious where are you going to find these used machines (EBay, govt auction, Facebook Marketplace, etc...)? I have been wanting to setup a home NAS and home server but am not paying these prices. |
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| ▲ | naravara 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s the storage prices that tend to give people sticker shock. Though for just being a media server you can get away with a spinning disc rather than an SSD. But they’re still kind of insane right now. |
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