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| ▲ | drnick1 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | JCPOA was horrible. It was a lifeline to the regime and allowed it to build a massive arsenal of drones, ballistic missiles, etc., while it got to keep underground enrichment facilities. That nuclear program did not have a civilian purpose, its sole purpose was projecting power in the region and intimidating Israel. The only durable way achieve peace in the Mideast is the collapse of Iran and of its regional proxies. Disarming Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis is a necessity before things like rebuilding Gaza is possible at all. | | |
| ▲ | hardbass a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It is simply common sense for any country that is not the USA to develop nukes against the USA. It doesn't matter what your morality is or if you are a dictatorship or democracy, the USA just gets strange ideas and starts shooting and bombing random countries sometimes. | |
| ▲ | viler a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Mostly yes. Just a small correction - Iran does not need to collapse; its occupying Islamic regime does. It's what has already driven Iran into pretty much a state of collapse already; when it's gone Iran can be rebuilt. | |
| ▲ | GeorgeWBasic a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | "The only durable way achieve peace in the Mideast is the collapse of Israel and of its regional proxies" There, fixed it for you. No charge. | | |
| ▲ | viler a day ago | parent | next [-] | | What are Israel's "regional proxies", and how have they been acting against peace in the region in any way that's more destabilizing than Hamas, Hezbollah, Hashd ash-Shaabi, the Houthis, the Fatimioun, the Zainabioun, and all those other tentacles of the occupying Islamic regime in Iran? | |
| ▲ | stale2002 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Israel has 100+ nuclear weapons dude. And if it was in any real danger of actually being collapsed, I can promise you that it would use them. You better hope that never happens and instead Iran makes peace with them. | | |
| ▲ | hardbass a day ago | parent [-] | | Excellent, that clearly shows who is the volatile ultra terroristic madman in the region. All the more reason to check Israel right now. | | |
| ▲ | stale2002 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | > that clearly shows Its called mutually assured destruction bro. Every country in the world would use their nukes if they were actually under threat of destruction. Thats the point of having nukes. For them to be used as a deterent against collapse. > All the more reason to check They have the nukes already dude! They aren't going away. They aren't going to be destroyed. And the nukes don't disappear just because funding stops going to them. The point being, the destruction of Israel would just result in all of their enemies being destroyed along with them, so you better hope it doesn't happen. | | |
| ▲ | hardbass 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Israel doesn't need to be destroyed. The best time to solve the Israeli problem was of course during 1947. Its unfortunate that Britain got so weak at that point, ideally they should have instituted a militant zero tolerance marshal law there and shot on sight any Israeli or Arab terrorist. Israel can still be peacefully south africaed. | | |
| ▲ | stale2002 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Israel can still be peacefully They aren't going to massively change their demographics. They will never agree to that, and they would have to be invaded to achieve anything close to that. Which brings up back to them haveing 100+ nuclear weapons. This goal of destroying israel, or massively changing their demographics has caused hundreds of thousands of arabs to die, over and over again, wasting on a doomed goal, seeing as Israel has a modern military and nuclear weapons that they would absolutely use if their military was at risk of being defeat. The actual peaceful solutions look something like Jordan or Egypt, which are perfectly able to be at peace. | | |
| ▲ | hardbass 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Its not about arabs. I said south africa to mean hardline global sanctions and refusal to trade. If they want to nuke everyone just because people don't like trading with them, they are free to demonstrate their psychosis. Public opinion in the USA is changing, who knows what the future holds. If US support vanishes, Israel will have to scale down their hyperterrorism by a lot. Again, the best solution would have been if Britain had refused to budge against Zionist terrorist attacks on innocent Brits, and instead prosecuted and executed them brutally, instituted a ruthless and militant martial rule there and shot all agitators on sight, and also done things like tax breaks for mixed marriages, etc. Since that golden opportunity for sanity and stability is gone, we have to see what the current options are. | | |
| ▲ | stale2002 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > If they want to nuke everyone just because people don't like trading with them Nobody is going to nuke people over trade. But, if the only thing that happens is that there are trade sanctions, well seeing as Israel considers changing up their country's demographics an existential threat, well it isn't going to end the state of Israel and nothing short of military action will cause that to happen. Its certainly possible to motivate Israel to make some changes, but its not going to let itself be destroyed, nor will it ever accept 10 million immigrants into the country, and there would have to be military action to every make that happen. The point being, Israel isn't going away. Its not going to be destroy. And if it was every a real threat, well they'd use the nukes. Peace is certainly possible though. If the only thing you want is for both the existing middle east militant groups and Israel to stop fighting each other, and everyone exists where they are today, then great that peace is absolutely possible. |
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| ▲ | stale2002 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No, actually. Iran did not stop funding proxy militant groups. If Iran stopped funding Hezbollah then real peace could have been achieved. | | |
| ▲ | hardbass a day ago | parent [-] | | If Israel stopped randomly invading sovereign countries and launching missiles anywhere and everywhere into unrelated foreign countries like Dubai, spraying chemical toxins on farms in random countries, then real peace could have been achieved. |
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| ▲ | GeorgeWBasic a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's true: Obama bucked the trend. Overall, there were still many powerful interests in the US who despised Iran waiting to take power. I'd still call it just a matter of time. |
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