stale2002 a day ago

> Israel can still be peacefully

They aren't going to massively change their demographics. They will never agree to that, and they would have to be invaded to achieve anything close to that. Which brings up back to them haveing 100+ nuclear weapons.

This goal of destroying israel, or massively changing their demographics has caused hundreds of thousands of arabs to die, over and over again, wasting on a doomed goal, seeing as Israel has a modern military and nuclear weapons that they would absolutely use if their military was at risk of being defeat.

The actual peaceful solutions look something like Jordan or Egypt, which are perfectly able to be at peace.

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hardbass a day ago | parent [-]

Its not about arabs. I said south africa to mean hardline global sanctions and refusal to trade. If they want to nuke everyone just because people don't like trading with them, they are free to demonstrate their psychosis. Public opinion in the USA is changing, who knows what the future holds. If US support vanishes, Israel will have to scale down their hyperterrorism by a lot.

Again, the best solution would have been if Britain had refused to budge against Zionist terrorist attacks on innocent Brits, and instead prosecuted and executed them brutally, instituted a ruthless and militant martial rule there and shot all agitators on sight, and also done things like tax breaks for mixed marriages, etc. Since that golden opportunity for sanity and stability is gone, we have to see what the current options are.

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stale2002 21 hours ago | parent [-]

> If they want to nuke everyone just because people don't like trading with them

Nobody is going to nuke people over trade.

But, if the only thing that happens is that there are trade sanctions, well seeing as Israel considers changing up their country's demographics an existential threat, well it isn't going to end the state of Israel and nothing short of military action will cause that to happen.

Its certainly possible to motivate Israel to make some changes, but its not going to let itself be destroyed, nor will it ever accept 10 million immigrants into the country, and there would have to be military action to every make that happen.

The point being, Israel isn't going away. Its not going to be destroy. And if it was every a real threat, well they'd use the nukes.

Peace is certainly possible though. If the only thing you want is for both the existing middle east militant groups and Israel to stop fighting each other, and everyone exists where they are today, then great that peace is absolutely possible.

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hardbass 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Who said it has to accept immigrants? How can immigrants accept other immigrants? They just have to self deport back to their original countries. The point of a blockade is if others feel unsatisfied they can keep blockading them, including if some countries wishes, completely closing off their land and sea borders to Israel. What they do next is not my concern. Its their self created mess to solve. And if they want to use nukes over such an insane point, then the world far outnumbers them in nuke count and many countries have second strike capabilities. Something worth remembering.

>Peace is certainly possible though. If the only thing you want is for both the existing middle east militant groups and Israel to stop fighting each other, and everyone exists where they are today, then great that peace is absolutely possible.

It is, and under current situations its only going to happen if Israel is occupied by a brutal external military force that uses complete merciless totalitarian approach to any terrorism from any side. Nothing short of that is a peaceful solution unfortunately.

	▲	stale2002 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> They just have to self deport back to their original countries. No actually. They would rather fight till the end than be ethnically cleansed (the vast majority of people being born there). They will never do that, and it would require military action to get anywhere close to that. At which point it brings us back to the fact that they have a modern military and nuclear weapons, so military action won't work. > What they do next is not my concern Well, if peace isn't possible what would almost certainly happen is that most of the Palestinians will be kicked out. I mean, if it is that or them being kicked out, like what you propose, obviously they will fight to win. > Nothing short of that is a peaceful solution unfortunately. Oh I fully agree that the arab population isn't going to stop fighting. What is almost certainly going to happen is that peace won't happen and Israel will simply Win The Conflict, by exporting most of the gazan population. I mean, the rest of the world is barely doing anything against them. They have little reason not to at this point, if peace isn't possible. Which is sad, but hey. Thats war. It is unfortunate though just how many arab lives have been scarificed for nothing though, failing to achieve an impossible goal. Impossible because Israel is never going to let itself be destroy nor ethnically cleansed, and the rest of the world is barely doing anything against it, and, you know that modern military + nuclear weapons. > And if they want to use nukes over such an insane point Nukes would only be used in the case of a military invasion that seriously threatens them. If its just trade embargoes, and local militant conflicts, Israel would simply weather the storm, and/or kick out all the palestinians if they don't stop throwing their lives away for nothing. > then the world far outnumbers The rest of the world isn't doing shit right now dude. And the point is that no invasion is going to happen of Israel, precisely because of the nuclear weapons. Nobody is going to nuke anyway, nor will any other countries take action, and if the palestinians keep fighting for nothing the end result is that they will probably just be kicked out pretty soon.