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| ▲ | coldtea an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | What's the qualifier for "so" (in "so emotionally invested")? Did someone measure it and it's beyond the healthy range? Parent is just passionate about the quality, or decline, of the tools he spend a good chunk of money of, and spends hours each day doing professional work with. | | |
| ▲ | andsoitis an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Did someone measure it and it's beyond the healthy range? The person I responded to self-identified as an "Apple fanbitch".
Now they categorically say "Screw Apple." That seems like a pretty emotional attachment swinging from one extreme to another. Attachment will cause you pain. | | |
| ▲ | Haunt1000 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Everyone is different and we shouldn't judge them. | | | |
| ▲ | Razengan 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not having any attachment or inability to feel pain ain't good either. And it's not a swing: it happens over years. Discontent built up by a thousand small cuts. Things failing when you need them the most, so often that it makes you reflexively afraid the next time you think about trying it. | | |
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| ▲ | Rohansi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I agree with you but buying in to Apple's ecosystem is more than just being emotionally invested in a company. If all of the hardware you bought is going to shit because of what Apple is doing then I think it's fair. | | |
| ▲ | andsoitis an hour ago | parent [-] | | The hardware doesn't change after sale. | | |
| ▲ | coldtea an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The hardware absolutely changes after sale, there have been cases of keyboard's failing (e.g. during the butterfly keyboards), backlight failures (happened to some MBP runs), cracked displays (keys pressing into them), anti-reflective coating peeling, hinge issues (in several models), display failures (discoloration, light leaks), issues with (dedicated) GPUs in intel era models, battery expansions, logic board failures (there was a program that had 2-3 rounds or replacements), touch strip failures, and many others. Also ever heard of planned obselense? And that's just pure hardware. Hardware/battery performance dropping by OS updates has been well known, and there were a few class actions lawsuit Apple lost or settled and fined. | |
| ▲ | coldtea an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ever heard of planned obsolescence? The hardware absolutely changes after sale, there have been cases of keyboard's failing (e.g. during the butterfly keyboards), backlight failures (happened to some MBP runs), cracked displays (keys pressing into them), anti-reflective coating peeling, hinge issues (in several models), display failures (discoloration, light leaks), issues with (dedicated) GPUs in intel era models, battery expansions, logic board failures (there was a program that had 2-3 rounds or replacements), touch strip failures, and many others. And that's just pure hardware. Hardware/battery performance dropping by OS updates has been well known, and there were a few class actions lawsuit Apple lost or settled and fined. | | |
| ▲ | andsoitis an hour ago | parent [-] | | Many of those examples are disingenuous. Planned obsolescence could explain some, but to suggest there's no such thing as price/durability trade offs, regular wear and tear, or just poor construction, and instead it is "hardware changes" is a weird take. Of course physical objects change over time! | | |
| ▲ | coldtea an hour ago | parent [-] | | What exactly sounds "disingenuous" to you? Someone bought the hardware. It worked. Then it stopped / was damaged, and not for bad use (e.g. operating it in the sun or dropping it or something). >but to suggest there's no such thing as price/durability trade offs, regular wear and tear, or just poor construction, and instead it is "hardware changes" is a weird take. Nobody suggested that, so that's an even weirder take. The things mentioned are not "regular wear and tear" nor price/durability trade offs. As for "poor construction", yes, that leads to hardware that changes to worse under you over time. Mind blown? | | |
| ▲ | andsoitis an hour ago | parent [-] | | It sounds like you expect products to have zero defects, under any circumstances. There's a wide margin between shitty products and perfect. Show me a single product EVER that doesn't have failure modes or that lasts forever. None of this is to say I excuse poorly made products. But they generally are known before most people buy them, so a buyer can make an informed decision. |
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| ▲ | Razengan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Oh yeah let's not be emotionally invested in the things you use everyday to do basically everything. Try walking with a pebble in your shoe or sitting in a crooked chair or sleeping on a lumpy mattress and see how long before you get pissed, O Awakened Unattached Sage Stop bending over for mediocrity. | | |
| ▲ | andsoitis an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Stop bending over for mediocrity. That's a false binary choice. You can also shift your purchases to other providers if you think a company is providing a shitty product. |
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| ▲ | bcvvvy an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | steve1977 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | But there is no Windows Phone anymore unfortunately. | | | |
| ▲ | coldtea an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, just not on the aspects that matter to some of us. | | |
| ▲ | zamalek an hour ago | parent [-] | | Such as? | | |
| ▲ | coldtea 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Such as the ability to run the commercial software I want to run - for music, video, etc. Such as the ecosystem being united and not a fragmented mess even worse than Apple's lack of coordination between teams. Such as first class support, drivers, and control programs, for almost all the hardware I want to own. |
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| ▲ | Razengan an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Linux? If someone can fix the ecosystem, I'm there. | | |
| ▲ | sicktriple 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | What's wrong with the ecosystem? Hardware support is robust. Development is done out in the open and miles more professional than the slop Apple or Microsoft are putting out. Desktop environments, distro defaults and documentation are abundant and varied enough to support most user's needs. Besides hostile proprietary closed source software like Adobe or MS Office (of which alternatives are also abundant), what else could you need? |
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