It might not be super healthy to be so emotionally invested in a company, its products, and its doings.

What's the qualifier for "so" (in "so emotionally invested")? Did someone measure it and it's beyond the healthy range?

Parent is just passionate about the quality, or decline, of the tools he spend a good chunk of money of, and spends hours each day doing professional work with.

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andsoitis an hour ago | parent [-]

> Did someone measure it and it's beyond the healthy range?

The person I responded to self-identified as an "Apple fanbitch". Now they categorically say "Screw Apple."

That seems like a pretty emotional attachment swinging from one extreme to another. Attachment will cause you pain.

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Haunt1000 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Everyone is different and we shouldn't judge them.

	▲	andsoitis 13 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Offering advice to reduce pain != judging.

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Razengan 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Not having any attachment or inability to feel pain ain't good either.

And it's not a swing: it happens over years. Discontent built up by a thousand small cuts.

Things failing when you need them the most, so often that it makes you reflexively afraid the next time you think about trying it.

	▲	andsoitis 21 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		To calibrate, we're talking about an OpenGL bug in pre-release software.

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Rohansi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with you but buying in to Apple's ecosystem is more than just being emotionally invested in a company. If all of the hardware you bought is going to shit because of what Apple is doing then I think it's fair.

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andsoitis an hour ago | parent [-]

The hardware doesn't change after sale.

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coldtea an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The hardware absolutely changes after sale, there have been cases of keyboard's failing (e.g. during the butterfly keyboards), backlight failures (happened to some MBP runs), cracked displays (keys pressing into them), anti-reflective coating peeling, hinge issues (in several models), display failures (discoloration, light leaks), issues with (dedicated) GPUs in intel era models, battery expansions, logic board failures (there was a program that had 2-3 rounds or replacements), touch strip failures, and many others. Also ever heard of planned obselense?

And that's just pure hardware. Hardware/battery performance dropping by OS updates has been well known, and there were a few class actions lawsuit Apple lost or settled and fined.

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coldtea an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Ever heard of planned obsolescence? The hardware absolutely changes after sale, there have been cases of keyboard's failing (e.g. during the butterfly keyboards), backlight failures (happened to some MBP runs), cracked displays (keys pressing into them), anti-reflective coating peeling, hinge issues (in several models), display failures (discoloration, light leaks), issues with (dedicated) GPUs in intel era models, battery expansions, logic board failures (there was a program that had 2-3 rounds or replacements), touch strip failures, and many others.

And that's just pure hardware. Hardware/battery performance dropping by OS updates has been well known, and there were a few class actions lawsuit Apple lost or settled and fined.

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andsoitis an hour ago | parent [-]

Many of those examples are disingenuous. Planned obsolescence could explain some, but to suggest there's no such thing as price/durability trade offs, regular wear and tear, or just poor construction, and instead it is "hardware changes" is a weird take. Of course physical objects change over time!

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coldtea an hour ago | parent [-]

What exactly sounds "disingenuous" to you?

Someone bought the hardware. It worked. Then it stopped / was damaged, and not for bad use (e.g. operating it in the sun or dropping it or something).

>but to suggest there's no such thing as price/durability trade offs, regular wear and tear, or just poor construction, and instead it is "hardware changes" is a weird take.

Nobody suggested that, so that's an even weirder take.

The things mentioned are not "regular wear and tear" nor price/durability trade offs.

As for "poor construction", yes, that leads to hardware that changes to worse under you over time. Mind blown?

	▲	andsoitis an hour ago \| parent [-]
		It sounds like you expect products to have zero defects, under any circumstances. There's a wide margin between shitty products and perfect. Show me a single product EVER that doesn't have failure modes or that lasts forever. None of this is to say I excuse poorly made products. But they generally are known before most people buy them, so a buyer can make an informed decision.

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Razengan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh yeah let's not be emotionally invested in the things you use everyday to do basically everything.

Try walking with a pebble in your shoe or sitting in a crooked chair or sleeping on a lumpy mattress and see how long before you get pissed, O Awakened Unattached Sage

Stop bending over for mediocrity.

	▲	andsoitis an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> Stop bending over for mediocrity. That's a false binary choice. You can also shift your purchases to other providers if you think a company is providing a shitty product.

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bcvvvy an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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